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Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 28/02/2010 7:10 AM:
It's because you are applying the wrong definition that most people won't agree with this. At some point somebody used the term analog for film and it caught on like wildfire. That doesn't make it "right". You watch: next he's gonna tell us that film grain is the same as pixels... |
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"Noons" wrote in message ... Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 28/02/2010 7:10 AM: It's because you are applying the wrong definition that most people won't agree with this. At some point somebody used the term analog for film and it caught on like wildfire. That doesn't make it "right". You watch: next he's gonna tell us that film grain is the same as pixels... . Well, yes. Of course. Those little itsy bitsy bits of silver halide are either fully developed or totally undeveloped. Not a single, solitary one in any kind of between or betwixt state. A binary based imagery system film is, it clearly not being an analog imagery system according to him. hmmm...film is not digital? Well, what is the antonym - the opposite - of digital? You know - if something is not digital, then it is..... Well, son of a gun!!! Antonyms of "digital": from The Free Dictionary http://www.thefreedictionary.com/digital analog, analogue, linear - of a circuit or device having an output that is proportional to the input; "analogue device"; "linear amplifier" from Synonym.com http://www.synonym.com/antonym/digital/ analogue (vs. digital), analog, linear from Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/digital Computing Dictionary entry - digital data...A description of data which is stored or transmitted as a sequence of discrete symbols from a finite set, most commonly this means binary data represented using electronic or electromagnetic signals. The opposite is analogue. Science Dictionary entry - digital...2. Computer Science Representing or operating on data or information in numerical form. A digital clock uses a series of changing digits to represent time at discrete intervals, for example, every second. Modern computers rely on digital processing techniques, in which both data and the instructions for manipulating data are represented as binary numbers. Compare analog. from WordWeb Online Lookup http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=digital analogue from Big Huge Theraurus http://words.bighugelabs.com/digital analogue from hyperdictionary http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/digital Wordnet entry - Antonyms: analog, analogue, linear |
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Stephanie,
Thanks for waking up this group! I concur with much of what you've said about the differences between digital and film photography. To me, they're just different media, and arguing about which is "best" makes as little sense as arguing about whether oils are "better" than watercolors. Both have their place in creating images. wrote: Alan Browne wrote: On 10-02-16 7:18 , wrote: Here in Silicon Valley we are a small group of traditional (analog) B&W hobbyist. We welcome others of like mind to joint our discussion group. Meeting once a month we share prints, ideas, problems, questions, what if's, etc. This is not a typical camera club, no ribbons, no cookies, no competition, no judges. If in the greater San Jose area and interested contact me off list at B&W is not "analog", it is film. A direct image recorded without analogy. Once developed the film is an image. Digital cameras are actually "analog" as that is the nature of the capture device. That's like trying to say a digital recording is really analog since the microphone is.. And on digital capture, I don't think any part of the capture is "analog". It's converted to ones and zeros before it leaves the sensor.. At least with a microphone it is analog going through the wires to then be digitized... I agree with your analogy, Stephanie, but there isn't much difference between the two media... it's just that the wires are a lot shorter between the digital sensor and the A/D converter. ;-) The digital part is storage. No different than a good film scan. Alan, there is little similarity between an image on film a film scan. Scan it, and the image becomes a 2D array, while a piece of film is a 3D pile of crystals (or other material). Some of us appreciate the subtle differences between these representations. -- Best, Neil --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Lawrence Akutagawa wrote,on my timestamp of 1/03/2010 5:05 AM:
At some point somebody used the term analog for film and it caught on like wildfire. That doesn't make it "right". You watch: next he's gonna tell us that film grain is the same as pixels... . Well, yes. Of course. Those little itsy bitsy bits of silver halide are either fully developed or totally undeveloped. Not a single, solitary one in any kind of between or betwixt state. A binary based imagery system film is, it clearly not being an analog imagery system according to him. I said Alan. Not you, twerp. You just showed everyone how totally out of it you are. Get back in the troll hole you came from. hmmm...film is not digital? Well, what is the antonym - the opposite - of digital? You know - if something is not digital, then it is..... Well, son of a gun!!! That would be a perfect definition of yours. |
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Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 1/03/2010 2:06 AM:
I'm not an engineer, but have worked in engineering environments since my student days. I am an engineer and most of what you claimed about this subject and about engineering is completely wrong. As usual. Have the last word stephe. You seem to like words over reason. Must be the weekend influence: you finally made a joke about your attitude! |
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On 10-02-28 13:30 , Neil Gould wrote:
I agree with your analogy, Stephanie, but there isn't much difference between the two media... it's just that the wires are a lot shorter between the digital sensor and the A/D converter. ;-) You're re-hashing the dead. The digital part is storage. No different than a good film scan. Alan, there is little similarity between an image on film a film scan. Scan it, and the image becomes a 2D array, while a piece of film is a 3D pile of crystals (or other material). Some of us appreciate the subtle differences between these representations. I wasn't comparing qualities just the nature of what is an image (film) and what is storage (a digital scan or camera image). I often prefer the texture of a film image to a digital image or even a scan of a film image. However, my workflow is definitely digital - even when I shoot film. I personally print from scans of MF (and 35mm) and get wonderful results all the way through. I prefer colour (E-6) to B&W, and there is no way I am going to go through a colour DR process when I hardly do any B&W DR processes. Esp. processed like Cibachrome (whatever it's now called). A friend went through that and suffered batch variance that had him spending a lot of time and money just to get a first print right. Not for me. At all. Sometime, once I develop a better eye for judging tone when shooting, I may indeed begin printing B&W - but using an Epson 3800 and its black inks. -- gmail originated posts are filtered due to spam. |
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Lawrence Akutagawa wrote:
"Noons" wrote in message ... Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 28/02/2010 7:10 AM: It's because you are applying the wrong definition that most people won't agree with this. At some point somebody used the term analog for film and it caught on like wildfire. That doesn't make it "right". You watch: next he's gonna tell us that film grain is the same as pixels... . Well, yes. Of course. Those little itsy bitsy bits of silver halide are either fully developed or totally undeveloped. Not a single, solitary one in any kind of between or betwixt state. A binary based imagery system film is, it clearly not being an analog imagery system according to him. hmmm...film is not digital? Well, what is the antonym - the opposite - of digital? You know - if something is not digital, then it is..... Well, son of a gun!!! Antonyms of "digital": But he explained he is an engineer. So that being said, everyone else is wrong :-) Stephanie |
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Neil Gould wrote:
Stephanie, Thanks for waking up this group! I concur with much of what you've said about the differences between digital and film photography. To me, they're just different media, and arguing about which is "best" makes as little sense as arguing about whether oils are "better" than watercolors. Both have their place in creating images. I'm glad I woke myself up! :-) I really was crazy into photography when I was shooting medium format and then "stepped up" to digital when it came of age and been fighting with trying to get back the excitement I used to have. All the reasons people use for shooting digital are the exact reasons I lost interest. Having nothing invested in the images, "so convenient", no trips to the store to get film processed (and share results with the friends I made there). Plus looking at images on a computer screen doesn't even come close to looking at them on a light box to me. Watching the image appear in the tray in the darkroom is stiff such a cool thing too. Maybe part of it is you actually are handling something and using a mechanical camera with no battery that is part of the enjoyment. Or using a camera that is 50+ years old? That you really have to think *a lot* before you push the shutter because each frame costs money, you have to manually set everything and you have a limited number of shots per roll. And then the whole -argument- over analog or not is typical of trying to discuss film nuances with the geek/engineers who tightly embrace digital because they can define their photography based on results derived from math calculations or from the results shooting resolution charts... Stephanie |
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