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Depth of field - two of them?
On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 02:55:25 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote: On Friday, 1 February 2019 23:24:43 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 07:30:21 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave wrote: On Friday, 1 February 2019 01:44:15 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:23:44 -0500, nospam nonsense. most people use their smartphone to connect to the internet and in many cases, that's all they use. when not using a phone, they're usually using a laptop, not a desktop. there are *far* more smartphones than mac and windows pcs combined. They are still pigs to use in comparison to a desk top. I wouldn't want to try and use a desk top on the bus, train or in a car. And at no time do I really want to use my iPad to do, say, a Google search, but there are occasions when I have to. But I don't like it. why not, it's like saying you don't want to read a newspaper because of it's size. A better analogy would be saying that I don't want to read a newspaper in Reader's Digest format. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Depth of field - two of them?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: And at no time do I really want to use my iPad to do, say, a Google search, but there are occasions when I have to. But I don't like it. why not, it's like saying you don't want to read a newspaper because of it's size. A better analogy would be saying that I don't want to read a newspaper in Reader's Digest format. that's not better, since it's not reader's digest format, making the analogy void. |
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Depth of field - two of them?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: It's clumsy and it's slow. nonsense. it's as fast or faster than a laptop or desktop. I can't answer for the hardware you use. the hardware is irrelevant. displaying search results is not cpu intensive. But maybe you only do simple searches. the complexity or simplicity of a search is also irrelevant. Yep. You only ask simple questions. nope. as usual, you blame everything but yourself for not knowing how to do something. Who said I couldn't do it? I said "It's clumsy and slow". what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad. It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times faster. nonsense. your isp is the limiting factor, not the network. you would need a 2 gigabit isp plan *and* a 10gig enet card in your desktop *and* saturate the network (which a search won't do) for there to be a difference. as i said, searching on an ipad is as fast or faster than on a laptop or desktop. Google searching is not done on the ipad. then it can't be clumsy and slow. do try to keep your story straight. In the meantime there is all the stuff that Google sends backwards and forwards to suppot it's interface. what interface? google's main page is very, very simple, and the 'stuff' sent will be the same to any computer, actually *less* on mobile. you said you use the google app to do searches. that right there is a huge mistake. that's one reason you find it clumsy. I agree. so not the ipad, but rather user error, exactly like i said. But Google is the best search engine for my purposes so I have to put up with it's interface even if I search via Safari. its interface is minimal and certainly not anything that would make something clumsy and slow. you'd have to deal with the same ui with *any* computer, including your desktop. again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its fullest potential. Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small touch-screen. nonsense. |
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Depth of field - two of them?
On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 18:43:55 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: It's clumsy and it's slow. nonsense. it's as fast or faster than a laptop or desktop. I can't answer for the hardware you use. the hardware is irrelevant. displaying search results is not cpu intensive. But maybe you only do simple searches. the complexity or simplicity of a search is also irrelevant. Yep. You only ask simple questions. nope. as usual, you blame everything but yourself for not knowing how to do something. Who said I couldn't do it? I said "It's clumsy and slow". what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad. It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times faster. nonsense. your isp is the limiting factor, not the network. That's not my experience. you would need a 2 gigabit isp plan *and* a 10gig enet card in your desktop *and* saturate the network (which a search won't do) for there to be a difference. Right now my download speed via the iPad is 23 Mbps.. From my desktop it is 105.3 Mbps. That's more than two whole stops difference. Upload speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds. as i said, searching on an ipad is as fast or faster than on a laptop or desktop. Google searching is not done on the ipad. then it can't be clumsy and slow. do try to keep your story straight. Please don't try to be stupid. The iPad is just the front end of a long and complicated process. Some of the problems may be due to the iPad. Others are due to the Google application for the iPad. In the meantime there is all the stuff that Google sends backwards and forwards to suppot it's interface. what interface? google's main page is very, very simple, and the 'stuff' sent will be the same to any computer, actually *less* on mobile. You know very well what I am talking about. You are very close to being treated as just another troll. you said you use the google app to do searches. that right there is a huge mistake. that's one reason you find it clumsy. I agree. so not the ipad, but rather user error, exactly like i said. But Google is the best search engine for my purposes so I have to put up with it's interface even if I search via Safari. its interface is minimal and certainly not anything that would make something clumsy and slow. you'd have to deal with the same ui with *any* computer, including your desktop. Oh, I never knew that. I always thought my user experience with the desk top was different from the iPad. The news items which pop up when I load Google on the iPad don't appear when I load Google on my desktop. I wonder if I should complain? again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its fullest potential. Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small touch-screen. nonsense. Then please explain why for most purposes business seem to prefer desk tops over small touch screens? On second thoughts: don't bother. You are only here to argue. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Depth of field - two of them?
On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 18:43:54 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: And at no time do I really want to use my iPad to do, say, a Google search, but there are occasions when I have to. But I don't like it. why not, it's like saying you don't want to read a newspaper because of it's size. A better analogy would be saying that I don't want to read a newspaper in Reader's Digest format. that's not better, since it's not reader's digest format, making the analogy void. Idiot. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Depth of field - two of them?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: It's clumsy and it's slow. nonsense. it's as fast or faster than a laptop or desktop. I can't answer for the hardware you use. the hardware is irrelevant. displaying search results is not cpu intensive. But maybe you only do simple searches. the complexity or simplicity of a search is also irrelevant. Yep. You only ask simple questions. nope. as usual, you blame everything but yourself for not knowing how to do something. Who said I couldn't do it? I said "It's clumsy and slow". what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad. It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times faster. nonsense. your isp is the limiting factor, not the network. That's not my experience. then your experience is very limited. you would need a 2 gigabit isp plan *and* a 10gig enet card in your desktop *and* saturate the network (which a search won't do) for there to be a difference. Right now my download speed via the iPad is 23 Mbps.. From my desktop it is 105.3 Mbps. then there's a problem with your network hardware and/or its configuration. ipads are capable of gigabit speeds, which would be nearly 10x *faster* than your reported desktop speeds. don't blame the ipad for a ****ty network. That's more than two whole stops difference. download speed is not measures in stops. Upload speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds. they should be the same. your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad. as i said, searching on an ipad is as fast or faster than on a laptop or desktop. Google searching is not done on the ipad. then it can't be clumsy and slow. do try to keep your story straight. Please don't try to be stupid. take your own advice. you are having a world of problems doing the simplest of tasks, a google search, and blaming everything other than yourself. The iPad is just the front end of a long and complicated process. nonsense. a search is a very simple and straightforward process. Some of the problems may be due to the iPad. none are Others are due to the Google application for the iPad. don't use it. In the meantime there is all the stuff that Google sends backwards and forwards to suppot it's interface. what interface? google's main page is very, very simple, and the 'stuff' sent will be the same to any computer, actually *less* on mobile. You know very well what I am talking about. You are very close to being treated as just another troll. i know that you're trying to avoid admitting the problem is yourself. google's 'interface' is a very basic web page. it's remained that way intentionally, so that searches can easily be done. you said you use the google app to do searches. that right there is a huge mistake. that's one reason you find it clumsy. I agree. so not the ipad, but rather user error, exactly like i said. But Google is the best search engine for my purposes so I have to put up with it's interface even if I search via Safari. its interface is minimal and certainly not anything that would make something clumsy and slow. you'd have to deal with the same ui with *any* computer, including your desktop. Oh, I never knew that. I always thought my user experience with the desk top was different from the iPad. The news items which pop up when I load Google on the iPad don't appear when I load Google on my desktop. I wonder if I should complain? you should complain that you don't know what you're doing and refuse to learn. again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its fullest potential. Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small touch-screen. nonsense. Then please explain why for most purposes business seem to prefer desk tops over small touch screens? not anymore they don't. laptops have been outselling desktops for a couple of decades and more recently, mobile devices are outselling laptops. On second thoughts: don't bother. You are only here to argue. that would be you. |
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Depth of field - two of them?
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Whisky-dave wrote: what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad. It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times faster. then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad. correct. he even provided numbers. his network is broken. again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its fullest potential. Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small touch-screen. No it depends on the devices used. it also depends on the tasks. for many things, a tablet or phone is *far* better. for others it's not. no device is ideal for everything, especially when one doesn't know how to use it properly. |
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Depth of field - two of them?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: And at no time do I really want to use my iPad to do, say, a Google search, but there are occasions when I have to. But I don't like it. why not, it's like saying you don't want to read a newspaper because of it's size. A better analogy would be saying that I don't want to read a newspaper in Reader's Digest format. that's not better, since it's not reader's digest format, making the analogy void. Idiot. ad hominem. |
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Depth of field - two of them?
On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 11:16:18 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: It's clumsy and it's slow. nonsense. it's as fast or faster than a laptop or desktop. I can't answer for the hardware you use. the hardware is irrelevant. displaying search results is not cpu intensive. But maybe you only do simple searches. the complexity or simplicity of a search is also irrelevant. Yep. You only ask simple questions. nope. as usual, you blame everything but yourself for not knowing how to do something. Who said I couldn't do it? I said "It's clumsy and slow". what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad. It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times faster. nonsense. your isp is the limiting factor, not the network. That's not my experience. then your experience is very limited. you would need a 2 gigabit isp plan *and* a 10gig enet card in your desktop *and* saturate the network (which a search won't do) for there to be a difference. Right now my download speed via the iPad is 23 Mbps.. From my desktop it is 105.3 Mbps. then there's a problem with your network hardware and/or its configuration. ipads are capable of gigabit speeds, which would be nearly 10x *faster* than your reported desktop speeds. don't blame the ipad for a ****ty network. That's more than two whole stops difference. download speed is not measures in stops. I have been told on very good assurance that you can measure anything in stops, or even EVs, as long as the square root of two is involved. It doesn't have to have anything to do with lenses. Upload speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds. they should be the same. In my case they are throttled. your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad. But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such as Google. as i said, searching on an ipad is as fast or faster than on a laptop or desktop. Google searching is not done on the ipad. then it can't be clumsy and slow. do try to keep your story straight. Please don't try to be stupid. take your own advice. you are having a world of problems doing the simplest of tasks, a google search, and blaming everything other than yourself. There is no question of blame. I am merely comparing experiences. The iPad is just the front end of a long and complicated process. nonsense. a search is a very simple and straightforward process. Hooking up with Google is tedious and involves multiple backwards and forward communications. Some of the problems may be due to the iPad. none are Others are due to the Google application for the iPad. don't use it. In your usual style you don't suggest any alternative. In the meantime there is all the stuff that Google sends backwards and forwards to suppot it's interface. what interface? google's main page is very, very simple, and the 'stuff' sent will be the same to any computer, actually *less* on mobile. You know very well what I am talking about. You are very close to being treated as just another troll. i know that you're trying to avoid admitting the problem is yourself. google's 'interface' is a very basic web page. it's remained that way intentionally, so that searches can easily be done. Simple searches can be done very easily - once you get it loaded. --- snip --- I'm fed up with this. Where you are concerned there is no way that any Apple experience can be improved. Anyone who criticizes any service on an Apple device is criticizing Apple (and only Apple). I expect my criticism will apply equally well to an Android tablet but that idea is utterly beyond you. I am criticizing Apple and only Apple. You are a bigot. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Depth of field - two of them?
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 04:54:20 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote: On Monday, 4 February 2019 23:15:32 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 03 Feb 2019 18:56:23 -0500, nospam wrote: what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad. It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times faster. then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad. Who said I thought it was. It's merely a factor coloring my view of it's use. It's nospam who is seeing my comment as an attack directed at Apple. again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its fullest potential. Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small touch-screen. No it depends on the devices used. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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