Photoshopping, YES or No?

What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

Do you like the photos with maniplulation?

OR

Do you like more photos with out any change?

The question that you must first ask is how do you define manipulation and
why limit it to digital? There is very little difference in the dodging and
burning that I do in the darkroom or PS to bring a flower out or make a
background less a factor. And lets not leave out contrast filters to bring
out a subject. Can I add the vignette that Ansel Adams purposely added to
bring focus to a subject. I think Ansel would love PS. And let us not
forget pushing color saturation. Then there is the creative stuff like
double exposures that work like layers to add subject where subject was not
present.

I hope that you are not one of those folks that believe that the color
rendition is absolutely correct and faithful right out of the camera and
that you expose you images absolutely perfect. I hate people who get it
perfect every time......( smile ).

My point here is I don't understand what you mean by manipulation. I can't
imagine any photograph that is worth showing has not had some level of
"manipulation"

IMHO
Bobby
WolfGrafx Photography

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"TopPhotoBlog" wrote:

What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

Do you like the photos with maniplulation?

OR

Do you like more photos with out any change?

How blue is the sky?

The only thing I'd say that if it's wildlife/nature the author should
say if it's been manipulated so that it 'changes the truth of the
image'. But of course, even that's open to interpretation, and it
depends on the context.

If I'm putting photos into a general competition I don't say, if it's
a wildlife comp., I don't enter even lightly manipulated images, even
if that's not stated in the rules. But even that's open to
interpretion: I often crop either in Photoshop or with GEPE mounts on
slides. Good thing I've no ambitions to join Magnum!

Slainte

Liz

If you can tell that it's been tweaked no. Discreet and well executed
manipulation is ok.

Duncan


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What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

Do you like the photos with maniplulation?

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Do you like more photos with out any change?

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TopPhotoBlog wrote:
What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

Manipulated by the JPEG settings that are in your camera by default or
those in camera you chose or the Photoshop settings you choose post
camera? Find me a digital photo that has no manipulation. Or take it
a step further and find me a film image with no manipulation: why did
you choose PanX or Velvia or Provia or Portra. Every fixed image is a
manipulation. Why did Vermeer and Da Vinci have "incorrect" elements in
their "naturalistic" compositions? It's all in the eye of the
beholder:')

Just about every print from a negative is adjusted, the color and exposure
are adjusted automatically in the automated print processors found in most
Photofinishing Labs.
--
Pete

I use photoshop to adjust scans to look like the original slide, maybe even
better than the original, but I think the nuts and bolts of this is in
createing an image in photoshop. I once saw a photo of a huge moon rising
and a huge bull elk silhouetted in front of the moon, I thought how lucky
the photographer was to to be there and get to see that sight much less
capture it, then I found out it was a computer composite, I just felt
cheated. recently someone posted the www.wildthings.com website and I was
blown away by his images, I sent links to my kids to show them, they
promptly emailed back "Photoshopped", I did a google and sure enough. is he
less of a photographer ? NO, is he as skilled in photshop as some are in the
darkroom? yes
I only wish they were a little more up front about what it is.

GLL


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TopPhotoBlog wrote:
What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

Manipulated by the JPEG settings that are in your camera by default or
those in camera you chose or the Photoshop settings you choose post
camera? Find me a digital photo that has no manipulation. Or take it
a step further and find me a film image with no manipulation: why did
you choose PanX or Velvia or Provia or Portra. Every fixed image is a
manipulation. Why did Vermeer and Da Vinci have "incorrect" elements in
their "naturalistic" compositions? It's all in the eye of the
beholder:')

Just about every print from a negative is adjusted, the color and exposure
are adjusted automatically in the automated print processors found in most
Photofinishing Labs.
--
Pete

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TopPhotoBlog wrote:
What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

You might as well ask if people like typing documents without using a
spelling checker.

Roger

gll wrote:
I use photoshop to adjust scans to look like the original slide, maybe even
better than the original, but I think the nuts and bolts of this is in
createing an image in photoshop. I once saw a photo of a huge moon rising
and a huge bull elk silhouetted in front of the moon, I thought how lucky
the photographer was to to be there and get to see that sight much less
capture it, then I found out it was a computer composite, I just felt
cheated.

You know, people have been making slide "sandwiches" for a very long
time. Sandwiching a full moon with another image is probably one of the
most common reasons for doing it. An image editor simply makes the
process of getting the print easier.

recently someone posted the www.wildthings.com website and I was
blown away by his images, I sent links to my kids to show them, they
promptly emailed back "Photoshopped", I did a google and sure enough. is he
less of a photographer ? NO, is he as skilled in photshop as some are in the
darkroom? yes
I only wish they were a little more up front about what it is.




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In article .com,
TopPhotoBlog wrote:
What do you think about manipulating photos with PhotoShopping.

You might as well ask if people like typing documents without using a
spelling checker.

What's a spell checker?

A photograph is an attempt to record the world within the view of the artist
taking the picture. Perception is reality.

My eyes convey to my brain and I perceive.

The image I capture, whether film or digital, is mimicry of the scene I
perceived. To enhance the image to more closely match your perception is to
make the image more real than what a limited device like a camera can
capture. I want the color, the contrast, the vividness of the 3D experience
or as close to it a I can reproduce with our techniques.

I draw the line at making the scene into something it was not. I don't add
an extra duck. I may crop one out. I take out a fence post I didn't see when
I captured, I don't add one in to create symmetry. I bracket and combine
exposures to approximate what our eye can see, I do not shift spectrum or
alter color from what it was in my mind's eye.

I treat a photograph as I would a scan. It is a beginning. When it looks
like my memory, it is at an end.

Rikk.