Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

Everything is an XXXXXX problem if you don't know the rules by which
XXXXXX operates.

You shouldn't have to that is the point.

Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads?

You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the
rules by which they work.

one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to
the store.

But when the car starts going "wonka wonka wonka" and pulling to the
left, it's helpful to know how to change a tire.

you're missing the point, however, a flat tire is not only very rare,
but it's also minor, and despite that, most people will still call for
service because they get it for free, or the jack in the car is rusted,
or the spare needs to be inflated, or it's raining out and they would
rather someone else deal with it, or it's on a highway and it's not
safe to change it, etc.

In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

That's not quite what I want to do. If I had three computers I would
want any computer to be able to share with the other two.

I have fifteen computers here, and all can access each other's files. I
go into file manager, connect to server via SSH, enter the LAN IP
address and target directory of the computer I want to access, respond
to the prompt with the "target" computer's password, and I'm in. (After
the first time, the password manager takes over with the password.)

uh, not quite. ssh is not for sharing files unless you separately
installed sshfs, something you neglected to mention.

But then, all my computers are running Linux.

which makes windows look easy.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 19:11:39 -0400, Ken Hart
wrote:

On 10/31/18 6:25 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

snip

That's not quite what I want to do. If I had three computers I would
want any computer to be able to share with the other two.

I have fifteen computers here, and all can access each other's files. I
go into file manager, connect to server via SSH, enter the LAN IP
address and target directory of the computer I want to access, respond
to the prompt with the "target" computer's password, and I'm in. (After
the first time, the password manager takes over with the password.)

But then, all my computers are running Linux.

And I don't have a server. Things would be much easier if they were.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 18:37:19 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Everything is an XXXXXX problem if you don't know the rules by which
XXXXXX operates.

You shouldn't have to that is the point.

Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads?

You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the
rules by which they work.

one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to
the store.

You do if the car is in bits or doesn't go.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 01:24:24 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

Everything is an XXXXXX problem if you don't know the rules by which
XXXXXX operates.

You shouldn't have to that is the point.

Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads?

You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the
rules by which they work.

one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to
the store.

But when the car starts going "wonka wonka wonka" and pulling to the
left, it's helpful to know how to change a tire.

you're missing the point, however, a flat tire is not only very rare,
but it's also minor, and despite that, most people will still call for
service because they get it for free, or the jack in the car is rusted,
or the spare needs to be inflated, or it's raining out and they would
rather someone else deal with it, or it's on a highway and it's not
safe to change it, etc.

Massive off-topic swerve.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


And I don't have a server.

you do if you're sharing files from one system to another. it's just
not a dedicated server.

Things would be much easier if they were.

no.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads?

You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the
rules by which they work.

one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to
the store.

You do if the car is in bits or doesn't go.

no. either you call for service or find alternate means.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads?

You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the
rules by which they work.

one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to
the store.

But when the car starts going "wonka wonka wonka" and pulling to the
left, it's helpful to know how to change a tire.

you're missing the point, however, a flat tire is not only very rare,
but it's also minor, and despite that, most people will still call for
service because they get it for free, or the jack in the car is rusted,
or the spare needs to be inflated, or it's raining out and they would
rather someone else deal with it, or it's on a highway and it's not
safe to change it, etc.

Massive off-topic swerve.

ken missed the point and brought up the flat tire.

On 2018-10-29 18:35, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

I agree in general, but DC/DVD drives are something photographers might
use, aren't they?

The last time I used a CD/DVD for any sort of image file
sharing/archiving was over 15 years ago. The last time I used a Windows
machine was at work in February 2009, and then I retired.

You people have a weird belief in the reliability of cloud or solid state
memory.

either of those is *significantly* more reliable than a cd/dvd, which
are among the least reliable of any storage media.

No. I have tons. I re-write after 5 - 6 years, but I've kept some
"test" DVD's that are readable after over 10 years.

that doesn't mean every disc will last.

i recently migrated old discs to a server. some took a few minutes to
read, while some took around a half hour, clearly retrying due to
degradation. a few were unreadable. i lost data.

I haven't lost any (that I can tell - these are not checksum'd in any
way), but random sampling of images, video and docs and no apparent
degredation.

All in 1) Quality disks (Japan, Taiwan, Singapore) and 2) storage condtions.



Storage conditions
(cool, dry, dark) are essential. No parts to fail either. Readers are
cheap and will be available (even if used) for a very long time.

the dyes degrade over time.

Why "cool, dry, dark" are essential. Same as any photochemical medium.


A cloud account could go poof and SSM could fail electronically.

anything can go poof.

amazon, apple, google, microsoft, dropbox and many others aren't going
to go poof any time soon.

They could have unresolvable technical or human errors or be hacked
(from the inside or outside) however. I'll store and manage my own data
and be responsible for it.

There's also the notion of legacy access. All my files that I want
people to have access to are not encrypted, do not need a password, and
can be read on any machine (Unix, Windows, Linux, ...)


cloud services sell reliability and have *far* more resources than any
single person could ever do on their own. the limiting factor is
bandwidth. it takes a while to transfer terabytes, but some accept
and/or offer seed drives.

For the data I have stored for long term keeping (hundreds of GB), I do
fine on my own.

Even a CD/DVD with some bad areas will be readable in most other areas.

unless it's the directory, rendering the entire disc unreadable, but
regardless, *any* data loss is unacceptable, no matter how small.

Recovery s/w does fine with that - but I've *never* had to recover data
from a CD/DVD.


murphy's law means the 'bad area' will contain the file you actually
want to access.

tl;dr discs are *not* archival.

That's why I refresh them every 5 - 6 years.

--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester

On 2018-10-29 18:47, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:00:10 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2018-10-28 17:13, nospam wrote:
In article ,
RichA wrote:

I agree in general, but DC/DVD drives are something photographers might
use, aren't they?

The last time I used a CD/DVD for any sort of image file
sharing/archiving was over 15 years ago. The last time I used a Windows
machine was at work in February 2009, and then I retired.

You people have a weird belief in the reliability of cloud or solid state
memory.

either of those is *significantly* more reliable than a cd/dvd, which
are among the least reliable of any storage media.

No. I have tons. I re-write after 5 - 6 years, but I've kept some
"test" DVD's that are readable after over 10 years. Storage conditions
(cool, dry, dark) are essential. No parts to fail either. Readers are
cheap and will be available (even if used) for a very long time.

A cloud account could go poof and SSM could fail electronically.

Even a CD/DVD with some bad areas will be readable in most other areas.

Just consider yourself lucky that we have nospam around to tell us
what works for us shouldn't work.

He often has valid points.


--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester