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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | the top in allegedly non-paid results. Yet I specifically | asked about buying plastic in Boston, not online.) | | How did you specifically specify that? "buy lexan Boston" That doesn't rule out online options, but don't you think stores near Boston that sell Lexan should have been listed before a website that takes orders online? Why would I add "Boston" if I wanted to buy online? (Note that eplastics.com also bought an ad on that page where their link showed neaer the top.) i didn't see eplastics at all when i do a search for lexan in boston using google, ad or otherwise. what i see on the very first page of results is: in the map: - altec plastics in south boston - fields corner glass and lexan in (you guessed it), fields corner in the listings: - jfreeman in dorchester - polycarbonate plastics in worcester (covering all of new england) - hart supply in hingham 2nd page of results: - altec plastics in south boston (normal listing, not on a map) - karas glass in south boston |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | the top in allegedly non-paid results. Yet I specifically | asked about buying plastic in Boston, not online.) | | How did you specifically specify that? Another way of looking at that: I searched for 3 words specifically to narrow the returns. I wanted to buy Lexan somewhere near Boston. The word "Boston" does not appear anywhere in the page or code of eplastics.com. Yet their homepage came up at #17. The company I bought from, J. Freeman, didn't come up on that page, or the next, or the next. But I did get Staples.com, art.com, the official Boston Bruins logo gear store and tropicalfishstore.com, which has acrylic tanks. (Lexan tanks, too? I doubt it. Lexan scratches easily. So tropicalfishstore.com must have been sort of free association debris, along with many of the other listings.) Interestingly, eplastics also came up at #5 for a search engine scamming page they've posted that merely contains a long list of locations: http://www.eplastics.com/Where-to-buy-Plexiglass So DDG was putting big commercial sites first even when they're not relevant. They're also falling for scam SEO pages. As it turned out, I only found the J. Freeman site because they had listed at http://www.macraesbluebook.com/pages/about.cfm So an advertising site had the info I needed. If J. Freeman hadn't bought an ad at MacRae's I might never have found them. |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | the top in allegedly non-paid results. Yet I specifically | asked about buying plastic in Boston, not online.) | | How did you specifically specify that? Another way of looking at that: I searched for 3 words specifically to narrow the returns. I wanted to buy Lexan somewhere near Boston. The word "Boston" does not appear anywhere in the page or code of eplastics.com. Yet their homepage came up at #17. The company I bought from, J. Freeman, didn't come up on that page, or the next, or the next. But I did get Staples.com, art.com, the official Boston Bruins logo gear store and tropicalfishstore.com, which has acrylic tanks. (Lexan tanks, too? I doubt it. Lexan scratches easily. So tropicalfishstore.com must have been sort of free association debris, along with many of the other listings.) wtf? jfreeman was *second* in the list when i did the search, along with several other boston area suppliers (see other post for the list) on the first page and a couple more on the second. Interestingly, eplastics also came up at #5 for a i didn't see eplastics at all. .... So an advertising site had the info I needed. If J. Freeman hadn't bought an ad at MacRae's I might never have found them. or if you knew how to use google. |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
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| i didn't see eplastics at all when i do a search for lexan in boston | using google, ad or otherwise. | | what i see on the very first page of results is: | | in the map: | - altec plastics in south boston | - fields corner glass and lexan in (you guessed it), fields corner | | in the listings: | - jfreeman in dorchester | - polycarbonate plastics in worcester (covering all of new england) | - hart supply in hingham | Interesting. I also got better results at Google. But not the same as yours. yelp Freeman eplastics.com another online seller a middleman ad company hart supply another online company with a broken website home depot another online company altec eplastics (again) Freeman was in there. A couple more in the area were listed. But most of the listings were still not highly relevant. I didn't get Fields Corner at all until I searched for it. Odd, given that Google has very little to differentiate the two of us except userAgent and geographical location. Your returns may be affected by you allowing script and cookies. |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | i didn't see eplastics at all when i do a search for lexan in boston | using google, ad or otherwise. | | what i see on the very first page of results is: | | in the map: | - altec plastics in south boston | - fields corner glass and lexan in (you guessed it), fields corner | | in the listings: | - jfreeman in dorchester | - polycarbonate plastics in worcester (covering all of new england) | - hart supply in hingham | Interesting. I also got better results at Google. But not the same as yours. yelp Freeman eplastics.com another online seller a middleman ad company hart supply another online company with a broken website home depot another online company altec eplastics (again) the yelp listing was for altec plastics, also shown in the map at the top. Freeman was in there. A couple more in the area were listed. But most of the listings were still not highly relevant. I didn't get Fields Corner at all until I searched for it. Odd, given that Google has very little to differentiate the two of us except userAgent and geographical location. Your returns may be affected by you allowing script and cookies. i block cookies. i also get the same results when i set the user agent to internet explorer 11 (which shouldn't matter anyway). |
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search engine - word order? was What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
"Mayayana" on Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:14:17
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | the top in allegedly non-paid results. Yet I specifically | asked about buying plastic in Boston, not online.) | | How did you specifically specify that? "buy lexan Boston" That doesn't rule out online options, but don't you think stores near Boston that sell Lexan should have been listed before a website that takes orders online? Why would I add "Boston" if I wanted to buy online? (Note that eplastics.com also bought an ad on that page where their link showed neaer the top.) I wonder if word order is important. That is, does "buy lexan Boston" process differently than "Boston buy lexan"? Hmm - slight differences. Altexc is #1 in both; #2 jfreeman.com/plastics-pvc and yellowpages.com I've started filetering results by -yp.com etccetera. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In message , Mayayana
writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | the top in allegedly non-paid results. Yet I specifically | asked about buying plastic in Boston, not online.) | | How did you specifically specify that? "buy lexan Boston" That doesn't rule out online options, but don't you think stores near Boston that sell Lexan should have been listed before a website that takes orders online? Why would I add "Boston" if I wanted to buy online? (Note that eplastics.com also bought an ad on that page where their link showed neaer the top.) It used to be possible to say you only wanted pages that definitely included specified word(s) - IIRR, by putting + before them (without a space, e. g. +Boston). I don't know if this is still the case, but it isn't "indicated" from the advanced pages any more. I use https://www.google.co.uk/advanced_search?hl=en as my default page (I imagine the US one is similar, maybe .com instead of .co.uk). I just tried putting xx in the top box ("all these words"), yy in "any of these words", and zz in "none of these words". The string it seemed to have applied itself to seems to be "xx yy -zz", i. e. it has given the _same_ weight to the first two, which I am not surprised at, since the top box - despite being called "all these words" - seems to be just used the same as the simple search page's box. I would have hoped for "+xx yy -zz" (assuming + still has any meaning), but am not surprised it didn't. I don't think Google release the syntax of queries as they used to; you can to some extent divine it by using the advanced search page (the above one, or its regional variations) and seeing what it comes up with. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In message , nospam
writes: In article , Mayayana wrote: [] So an advertising site had the info I needed. If J. Freeman hadn't bought an ad at MacRae's I might never have found them. or if you knew how to use google. Obviously you think that you do; however, you'd rather not enlighten the rest of us, for some reason ... -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In message , nospam
writes: In article , Mayayana wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | Don't use Google. Use DuckDuckGo, or Startpage, or one of the other | search engines. | | Is that just because of Google's evil aspects, or do they actually work | better (as search engines, not as anti-evil)? I generally use DDG but turn to Google when I can't find things. Google seems to be more thorough. Or maybe they just have more listings. But in genreal I find they return pretty much the same listings. in other words, it doesn't work as well. no surprise there. On the other hand, all of them have gone downhill. nonsense. they've all improved and continue to improve. I disagree to a great extent. I think that as search engines, they reached an acceptable peak some while ago; granted, there may have been incremental improvements since then, but they've more than been countered by (a) commercial contamination [I don't mean just paid ad.s, of the sort that are indeed indicated by "[Ad]"] (b) increasingly sophisticated (and mostly dishonest) attempts by others to increase their ranking. It's become very difficult, I find, to find less popular and non-commercial sites. It seems that whatever I search for, I see the same Wikipedia, Yelp, LinkedIn.... It's as though the engines think the Internet is 20 sites and you want one of those. And probably you want to buy stuff. generally, those are the sites that people want, so they're ranked higher. I disagree fundamentally. Those are the sites that companies want people to find. Not everyone - and, I suspect, not even a majority - only use the web when they're wanting to buy something. A couple of examples: If I want the datasheet for an integrated circuit, I have great difficulty in finding it, among all the hits who are wanting to sell it (the IC, not the datasheet). If I want to find the website of an eatery _whose name I know_ - for example, I want to see what's on the menu, because I've been before, and know it's good, so am taking some friends and want to make sure there's something they'll like - I often have great difficulty in finding it _at all_; I get instead lots of places that want to offer me reviews of it. (Of course, none of those will have today's menu.) [This _may_ only apply to the UK, but I doubt it.] Last week I needed to buy a sheet of lexan polycarbonate. "buy lexan boston" turns up an online seller, Lowes, Home Depot, Yelp, Hotfrog, Yellow Pages.... A plastics store in Boston, where I ended up going, was not on the first page of results. Yet they have a good, functional website. And there are only a handful of shops around boston that handle this stuff. So that store should have been in the top 3. why should it have been in the top 3? you're not the only one searching. His search included Boston; it seems entirely reasonable that he should have expected the list to at least start with outlets in Boston. if you want to skip stores like lowes, home depot, etc., learn how to indicate that in your query. Perhaps you could share some of your great knowledge as to how? (I suspect you're thinking of the "-" prefix - which isn't the total solution it ought to be.) [] since you blocked that and failed to indicate it in your query, it had no way of knowing you wanted the smaller stores. user error. A bit exaggerated. [] paid ads are tagged. you can choose to skip those. Specific ad.s, yes (and also, for reasons that I can't understand - they have poor matching; surely this makes them counter-productive, as people will be more inclined to ignore them?); however, there are more subtle ways in which less appropriate hits come higher than they should. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July |
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What's a good free Windows video editor that crops out data in the MP4 video frame?
In article , J. P. Gilliver
(John) wrote: | Don't use Google. Use DuckDuckGo, or Startpage, or one of the other | search engines. | | Is that just because of Google's evil aspects, or do they actually work | better (as search engines, not as anti-evil)? I generally use DDG but turn to Google when I can't find things. Google seems to be more thorough. Or maybe they just have more listings. But in genreal I find they return pretty much the same listings. in other words, it doesn't work as well. no surprise there. On the other hand, all of them have gone downhill. nonsense. they've all improved and continue to improve. I disagree to a great extent. I think that as search engines, they reached an acceptable peak some while ago; granted, there may have been incremental improvements since then, but they've more than been countered by (a) commercial contamination [I don't mean just paid ad.s, of the sort that are indeed indicated by "[Ad]"] (b) increasingly sophisticated (and mostly dishonest) attempts by others to increase their ranking. ads are tagged as such. ignore them, or better yet, block them. problem solved. search engines continuously index sites and continue to refine their ranking algorithms. you might think it got worse, but most people find that it continues to get better. It's become very difficult, I find, to find less popular and non-commercial sites. It seems that whatever I search for, I see the same Wikipedia, Yelp, LinkedIn.... It's as though the engines think the Internet is 20 sites and you want one of those. And probably you want to buy stuff. generally, those are the sites that people want, so they're ranked higher. I disagree fundamentally. Those are the sites that companies want people to find. all companies want people to find them. Not everyone - and, I suspect, not even a majority - only use the web when they're wanting to buy something. nonsense. most people start with a web search, either from their computer or their smartphone. old school phone books are obsolete. word of mouth might come into play in some rare cases. the internet is a fantastic resource. A couple of examples: If I want the datasheet for an integrated circuit, I have great difficulty in finding it, among all the hits who are wanting to sell it (the IC, not the datasheet). you don't say which integrated circuit, but a search for the classic 555 timer results in the very first link being the datasheet, with the next few links very relevant. similarly, a search for the motorola 68000 cpu resulted in the datasheet and many other useful links. perhaps there's some obscure chip that might be harder to find, but only marginally so. tl;dr user error. If I want to find the website of an eatery _whose name I know_ - for example, I want to see what's on the menu, because I've been before, and know it's good, so am taking some friends and want to make sure there's something they'll like - I often have great difficulty in finding it _at all_; I get instead lots of places that want to offer me reviews of it. (Of course, none of those will have today's menu.) [This _may_ only apply to the UK, but I doubt it.] it's trivial to get restaurant menus, assuming the restaurant publishes them. not all do. if they don't, then there's not a lot anyone can do. most of the time their menu is on the restaurant's own site, but it may also be at sites such as openmenu or opentable (often both). some restaurants have their own apps where you can even order directly. if you're having difficulty in finding menus, either you're doing something wrong or the restaurant doesn't publish it. tl;dr user error. Last week I needed to buy a sheet of lexan polycarbonate. "buy lexan boston" turns up an online seller, Lowes, Home Depot, Yelp, Hotfrog, Yellow Pages.... A plastics store in Boston, where I ended up going, was not on the first page of results. Yet they have a good, functional website. And there are only a handful of shops around boston that handle this stuff. So that store should have been in the top 3. why should it have been in the top 3? you're not the only one searching. His search included Boston; it seems entirely reasonable that he should have expected the list to at least start with outlets in Boston. when i did the lexan search, jfreeman, the one he said he used, was second in the list, with several others in boston on the first page of hits. i also found a few he did not. that means his search query was the problem, not the search engine ranking. as the saying goes, garbage in garbage out. tl;dr user error. if you want to skip stores like lowes, home depot, etc., learn how to indicate that in your query. Perhaps you could share some of your great knowledge as to how? (I suspect you're thinking of the "-" prefix - which isn't the total solution it ought to be.) that, and other refinements to the query string. some people are very good at finding stuff. others not so much. ask a librarian to find something and they almost always know exactly where to look and will find a whole lot of relevant material, no matter how obscure the request may be. since you blocked that and failed to indicate it in your query, it had no way of knowing you wanted the smaller stores. user error. A bit exaggerated. not in the least. blunt, sure. exaggerated, no. paid ads are tagged. you can choose to skip those. Specific ad.s, yes (and also, for reasons that I can't understand - they have poor matching; surely this makes them counter-productive, as people will be more inclined to ignore them?); however, there are more subtle ways in which less appropriate hits come higher than they should. ads only have poor matching if the user blocks various tracking methods. otherwise, ad targeting is frighteningly accurate. and then there are those who block ads entirely and don't see them at all. |
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