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| So Microscoft releases (essentially) a $199 Blackberry Playbook at
| $499?? And the Blackberry tablet was a sales flop. | | http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/16/tech/g...html?hpt=hp_t3 The MS tablets will probably be a flop, too, but they're not Blackberry's. The whole thing hinges on Metro and MS online services. They want you to buy Metro apps that they get a cut on, "consume" media, get an MS email address, etc. At this point they have very little to offer, and a lot of people are going to be surprised when they find out that 1) they can't run Windows software and 2) the only software they can run is trinket apps from the Windows online store. Personally I think the prices are absurd, but there are millions of people paying similar to buy iPads. So there seems to be a ...tablet customer ... born every minute. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: The MS tablets will probably be a flop, too, but they're not Blackberry's. The whole thing hinges on Metro and MS online services. They want you to buy Metro apps that they get a cut on, "consume" media, get an MS email address, etc. imagine that, companies that want you to buy stuff. crazy!! At this point they have very little to offer, actually they have quite a bit to offer, but the problem is that apple and google have a lot *more* to offer, and for roughly the same price. it's too little, too late. on the other hand, microsoft is throwing a ****load of marketing behind it, so maybe they'll find a comfortable third place. and a lot of people are going to be surprised when they find out that 1) they can't run Windows software so what? that hasn't affected ipads one bit. in fact, not only can't ipads run windows software, but they can't run mac software either, and ipad sales are through the roof. and 2) the only software they can run is trinket apps from the Windows online store. there is much more than 'trinket apps' available. Personally I think the prices are absurd, the prices are competitive with similar products. but there are millions of people paying similar to buy iPads. exactly. So there seems to be a ...tablet customer ... born every minute. is there something wrong with buying a tablet? for a lot of tasks and also a lot of users, a tablet is a much beter choice than a laptop and certainly a desktop computer (how archaic). |
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It all ties in nicely with Microsoft and other companies who want to create a computer universe (indeed, an entire multimedia universe) where all media and media use is "rented" as a service and not owned. Yes. That's partly why the prices seem so outlandish to me. Not only is it a limited tool compared to a [cheaper] PC. The whole point is to bring in income from everything that people do with it. With that strategy I would expect them to take a loss on the hardware, counting on profits down the road. (30% cut for all "apps" bought through their store, ad income from Hotmail, etc. Not to mention a captive audience that can be tracked more efficiently than computer users can be.) |
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| and a lot of people are going to
| be surprised when they find out that 1) they can't run | Windows software | | so what? that hasn't affected ipads one bit. No, it hasn't. But those are two very different things. People buy iPads for fun and swank... And because they're Apple fans ....And because they have money to burn. They associate Windows with getting work done. It's *very* unlikely that anyone will ever buy anything Microsoft for swank. Microsoft know that so they're deliberately confusing people. They're marketing the new line as a single interface across devices, implying that people can have Windows everywhere. MS has been clear in technical docs that Win RT is not the same thing as Win 8, but their actions lead people to believe otherwise. (Even much of the media mistakenly think Win RT is a variant of Win 8.) Win 8 runs Windows software and has a Metro screen tacked on to market MS services. Win RT is those services, running on an ARM chip that can't handle Windows software, with a sort of fake "Desktop" screen to confuse people. (The Win RT Desktop only runs built-in Microsoft ARM software. It's not a Desktop as Windows users know it.) So why would anyone buy a Win RT tablet, which so far has very few apps, when they can have an iPad for about the same price (which now has, what, about 47 billion apps?) and they can have a fashion statement in the deal? I submit that many of those sales will be to people who have been misled into believing that they're actually getting some version of Windows + extras, when all they're really getting is warmed-over MS online services and *maybe* an appealing app store. It's yet to be seen whether the MS store will ever get an alluring stable of apps. Windows people are used to getting things free. Windows phones have yet to sell. Windows tablets aren't even out yet. Anyone who writes for Metro is basically writing trinkets that have to be approved by MS, with MS getting 30% of the profits, and no certain market. All of those factors work against developers wanting to take a chance on Metro. (I guess if you don't think a Facebook app, or a Find-me-a- coffeeshop app, or an Angry Birds app is a trinket then we just have different definitions of trinket. To me those are all simple, small, trivial entertainment utilities.) |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: It all ties in nicely with Microsoft and other companies who want to create a computer universe (indeed, an entire multimedia universe) where all media and media use is "rented" as a service and not owned. Yes. That's partly why the prices seem so outlandish to me. the prices are not outlandish at all. they're competitive with similar products. Not only is it a limited tool compared to a [cheaper] PC. for some tasks it may be, but for other tasks it's much more capable, easier to use and a much more pleasant user experience, which means the user is more productive. more importantly, it's a totally different product, so you can't directly compare prices or features. The whole point is to bring in income from everything that people do with it. you're delusional. With that strategy I would expect them to take a loss on the hardware, they're not taking a loss on the hardware. on the other hand, amazon and google are reportedly selling the kindle and nexus 7 at or slightly below cost, depending on what story you believe, with the profit coming from amazon sales or google ad revenue. counting on profits down the road. (30% cut for all "apps" bought through their store, 30% is actually much less than the overhead of traditional distribution channels, but why let facts get in the way. from a developer point of view, 30% is cheap. at the end of the day, it's a whole lot easier for users to find and install apps and keep them updated. when users buy a new device, it's a couple of taps to reinstall everything and continue working. ad income from Hotmail, etc. ads are how google and much of the internet works. people want stuff for free and are willing to put up with ads in order to do that. those who are willing to pay can have apps without ads. also, you're behind the times. hotmail is eventually going away. http://articles.marke****ch.com/2012...53385_1_hotmai l-customers-e-mail-system-bgc-partners-analyst Microsoft Corp. is replacing Hotmail, its Web-based consumer e-mail system, with an expanded version of Outlook, the system widely used by businesses. Not to mention a captive audience that can be tracked more efficiently than computer users can be.) nonsense. just where do you come up with this garbage? you're also paranoid. |
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wrote: | and a lot of people are going to | be surprised when they find out that 1) they can't run | Windows software | | so what? that hasn't affected ipads one bit. No, it hasn't. But those are two very different things. they're not different at all. the surface tablet is microsoft's version of an ipad. People buy iPads for fun and swank... And because they're Apple fans ...And because they have money to burn. nonsense. just where do you come up with this garbage? most people who buy ipads and also iphones are *not* apple users, let alone fans, and very few people have money to burn in today's economy. ipads are being used in *all* sorts of ways for all sorts of things. of course, some people do use ipads for fun, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, while others use them for more productive work. 94% of fortune 500 companies are using or testing ipads, and you can be sure they're not doing that because they have money to burn or for fun. for example, many hospitals and commercial airlines are using ipads, both of which are probably the farthest from fun and swank as you can possibly get: http://www.boston.com/business/techn...4/04/for_some_ doctors_the_ipad_is_claiming_a_key_spot_next_to_th e_stethoscope/ Last month, at the launch of the iPad 2, Apple showed a video in which Dr. John Halamka, chief information officer at Beth Israel Deaconess, said the iPad ³will change the way doctors practice medicine.¹¹ It was a bold statement, and not the first lofty claim made about technology. But this much is clear: Hospitals across the United States and as far as Israel and Australia are embracing iPads. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397629,00.asp American is the first major airline to receive official approval to use iPads. Dorr said there are few smaller, on-demand airlines that have gotten the go-ahead, including N-Jets, Express Jet Management (EJM). Other major airlines are currently going through the operational evaluation, including Alaska Airlines, United and Continental, and Delta. They associate Windows with getting work done. no, they associate windows with malware and support headaches. It's *very* unlikely that anyone will ever buy anything Microsoft for swank. microsoft xbox. people also buy windows pcs for gaming, sometimes *just* for gaming. but that's fun, you don't do fun. Microsoft know that so they're deliberately confusing people. They're marketing the new line as a single interface across devices, implying that people can have Windows everywhere. having the same interface across mobile and desktop is actually an interesting strategy. if it works, microsoft has a huge winner. on the other hand, if it fails, they're screwed. they're well behind apple and google, and this is really their only chance. MS has been clear in technical docs that Win RT is not the same thing as Win 8, but their actions lead people to believe otherwise. (Even much of the media mistakenly think Win RT is a variant of Win 8.) Win 8 runs Windows software and has a Metro screen tacked on to market MS services. Win RT is those services, running on an ARM chip that can't handle Windows software, with a sort of fake "Desktop" screen to confuse people. (The Win RT Desktop only runs built-in Microsoft ARM software. It's not a Desktop as Windows users know it.) there will be some confusion, but that should eventually sort itself out. So why would anyone buy a Win RT tablet, which so far has very few apps, when they can have an iPad for about the same price (which now has, what, about 47 billion apps?) so you admit the price is not absurd. also, it's just under 1 million ios apps have been approved since apple's app store opened. and they can have a fashion statement in the deal? what's with the fashion statement nonsense? people don't buy ipads as a fashion statement. I submit that many of those sales will be to people who have been misled into believing that they're actually getting some version of Windows + extras, when all they're really getting is warmed-over MS online services and *maybe* an appealing app store. It's yet to be seen whether the MS store will ever get an alluring stable of apps. it remains to be seen just how successful windows 8 will be, and whether or not it will end up being a vista 2. Windows people are used to getting things free. hah! you must be kidding!!! that's the most ludicrous thing i've seen anyone write in a *long* time. you don't actually believe that idiocy, do you? Windows phones have yet to sell. Windows tablets aren't even out yet. Anyone who writes for Metro is basically writing trinkets that have to be approved by MS, with MS getting 30% of the profits, and no certain market. All of those factors work against developers wanting to take a chance on Metro. metro is certainly a smaller market than ios and android, but there is still money to be made. some developers will take a chance, and some of them will do quite well. some won't. there is plenty of opportunity for killer apps. big fish in a small pond versus small fish in a big pond. (I guess if you don't think a Facebook app, or a Find-me-a- coffeeshop app, or an Angry Birds app is a trinket then we just have different definitions of trinket. To me those are all simple, small, trivial entertainment utilities.) you clearly have *no* clue what an ipad can do. none whatsoever. in addition to doctors and commercial airline pilots, there are *so* many other examples that it's impossible to list them all. here's another: http://kevin.lexblog.com/2012/07/23/30-of-attorneys-use-an-ipad/ 30% of attorneys in the U.S. are using an iPad per the 2012 ABA Tech Survey performed by the ABA Legal Technology Resource Center. Lawyers are seeing real value in the iPad, it¹s not only lighter than a laptop, but also a more efficient and organized way to receive and review news and information. bottom line: ipads are rapidly replacing laptops for all sorts of things. |
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, RichA wrote: It all ties in nicely with Microsoft and other companies who want to create a computer universe (indeed, an entire multimedia universe) where all media and media use is "rented" as a service and not owned. nonsense. What better way to do it than releasing endless numbers of grossly (compared to a decent home computer) tablets and phones. grossly what? did you leave off a word? like it or not (and you obviously do not), the future is with mobile devices, which means tablets and phones. |
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nospam wrote:
bottom line: ipads are rapidly replacing laptops for all sorts of things. Hi, At several classical music concerts that I saw recently, the musicians used "sheet music" on an i-phone, rather than in paper form. Mort Linder |
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Le 17/10/2012 15:38, Mort a écrit :
At several classical music concerts that I saw recently, the musicians used "sheet music" on an i-phone, rather than in paper form. i-phone? i-pad I could understand... jdd |
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On 2012-10-17 11:53:22 -0700, jdanield said:
Le 17/10/2012 15:38, Mort a écrit : At several classical music concerts that I saw recently, the musicians used "sheet music" on an i-phone, rather than in paper form. i-phone? i-pad I could understand... jdd In most cases the sheet music apps are for iPad. There is at least one app available for the iPhone. For the iPad: https://itunes.apple.com/app/forscore/id363738376 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tune...368413919?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-...370142351?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scor...434815858?mt=8 For iPad & iPhone; https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/virt...322312746?mt=8 -- Regards, Savageduck |
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