The Value Of An Apology, At Least From A Republican's Perspective!!

"Walter Banks" wrote in message
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Neil Harrington wrote:
"Chris H" wrote in message

So what is your suggestion for helping the US economy?

Cut taxes. Cut wasteful government. Stop earmarks. Get rid of the millions
of illegal aliens who are draining the economy in some parts of the country.
Stop meddling abroad. Dumping the corrupt and mostly worthless UN
wouldn't be a bad idea either.

My list from the outside looking in would be

1) Reform health care with the objective that everyone 100% is covered at a
cost of 10% of GDP instead of currently using 16% of GDP to cover about
85% of the population. Heath care is about making the country competitive.
This will take 15 years to implement and long term be essentially revenue neutral

2) Look at the growth in educated people in third world countries that the US
is competing with for manufactured goods and establish educational goals to
compete commercially in 2030. It will take 20 years to implement and have a
GMROI of about 35%

3) Use the UN and its multilevel internal structure to deal with some of the very
real security concerns the US has. Marshall world political support for security
objectives and military support through NATO to reduce security costs back to
that most industrialized nations need. The US has permanate seat in the security
council use the bully pulpit for force diplomacy and use the veto as fine edged
tool and not a blunt object. Other permanate seats in the security council would
take the US lead.

4) Address the very real competitive issue of how to compete with the EU. The
EU as a block has a similar GDP to the US. Form economic alliances with the
America's, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and (yes) Venezuela, Chile and
Cuba. If the US can deal with China then Cuba should be a no brainer. Each of
those countries has something to offer. For example Cuba could help a lot with
inner city health care implementation.

5) Reduce the dependency in Foreign oil. Right now it is a $1B/day problem in
the US

6) Map a plan for relations with China in 2050. China will be an economic force
and could become a political force in the world. Something like the Towards the
year 2000 papers that were written in the 70's outlining the relationship with Japan.

7) Move low level manufacturing back to the US and treat the inner cities as if
they were a third world country.

Comments on the alternatives

Cut taxes.
Cut wasteful government.
Stop earmarks.

How much would this save? How would it make life in the US better for the
individual?

Get rid of the millions of illegal aliens who are draining the economy in some parts
of the country.

There doesn't appear to be the economic will to prevent them from working in
the US. Collectively the US has decided that they are worth more in the US than
out of the US. At this point the illegal aliens are political scapegoats

Stop meddling abroad.

This is far more complex than not. Iraq has been seen externally as a military
adventure. Afghanistan had a lot of international support when it was started. Iraq
directly and indirectly cost the US a lot. The real impact of 9/11 was economic.
It was a horrible attack but much of the economic impact the US let happen and
was un-necessary. The US has spent a lot on internal security that is marginally
effective. Of all the Government programs this is the only one I have seen that is
significantly wasteful

Dumping the corrupt and mostly worthless UN wouldn't be a bad idea either.

The UN and several other world organizations could be used much more effectively.
The World Court in the Hague for example.

Boy will I need a new fire proof coat on this one

w..

I WOULD HOPE NOT!!!! You write nothing but intelligent, informed, and
well thought out good sense. This is AMAZING! (And I would be happy to
supply you with a fireproof coat should you need one - but that need would
be a very strong indication that some are still incapable of clear thought, a sad
thing, really...;-)
--DR

On 2009-10-01 09:09:44 -0700, "David Ruether" said:


"Walter Banks" wrote in message
...
Neil Harrington wrote:
"Chris H" wrote in message

So what is your suggestion for helping the US economy?

Cut taxes. Cut wasteful government. Stop earmarks. Get rid of the millions
of illegal aliens who are draining the economy in some parts of the country.
Stop meddling abroad. Dumping the corrupt and mostly worthless UN
wouldn't be a bad idea either.

My list from the outside looking in would be

1) Reform health care with the objective that everyone 100% is covered at a
cost of 10% of GDP instead of currently using 16% of GDP to cover about
85% of the population. Heath care is about making the country competitive.
This will take 15 years to implement and long term be essentially
revenue neutral

2) Look at the growth in educated people in third world countries that the US
is competing with for manufactured goods and establish educational goals to
compete commercially in 2030. It will take 20 years to implement and have a
GMROI of about 35%

3) Use the UN and its multilevel internal structure to deal with some
of the very
real security concerns the US has. Marshall world political support for
security
objectives and military support through NATO to reduce security costs back to
that most industrialized nations need. The US has permanate seat in the
security
council use the bully pulpit for force diplomacy and use the veto as fine edged
tool and not a blunt object. Other permanate seats in the security
council would
take the US lead.

4) Address the very real competitive issue of how to compete with the EU. The
EU as a block has a similar GDP to the US. Form economic alliances with the
America's, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and (yes) Venezuela, Chile and
Cuba. If the US can deal with China then Cuba should be a no brainer. Each of
those countries has something to offer. For example Cuba could help a lot with
inner city health care implementation.

5) Reduce the dependency in Foreign oil. Right now it is a $1B/day problem in
the US

6) Map a plan for relations with China in 2050. China will be an economic force
and could become a political force in the world. Something like the Towards the
year 2000 papers that were written in the 70's outlining the
relationship with Japan.

7) Move low level manufacturing back to the US and treat the inner cities as if
they were a third world country.

Comments on the alternatives

Cut taxes.
Cut wasteful government.
Stop earmarks.

How much would this save? How would it make life in the US better for the
individual?

Get rid of the millions of illegal aliens who are draining the economy
in some parts
of the country.

There doesn't appear to be the economic will to prevent them from working in
the US. Collectively the US has decided that they are worth more in the US than
out of the US. At this point the illegal aliens are political scapegoats

Stop meddling abroad.

This is far more complex than not. Iraq has been seen externally as a military
adventure. Afghanistan had a lot of international support when it was
started. Iraq
directly and indirectly cost the US a lot. The real impact of 9/11 was
economic.
It was a horrible attack but much of the economic impact the US let happen and
was un-necessary. The US has spent a lot on internal security that is
marginally
effective. Of all the Government programs this is the only one I have
seen that is
significantly wasteful

Dumping the corrupt and mostly worthless UN wouldn't be a bad idea either.

The UN and several other world organizations could be used much more
effectively.
The World Court in the Hague for example.

Boy will I need a new fire proof coat on this one

w..

I WOULD HOPE NOT!!!! You write nothing but intelligent, informed, and
well thought out good sense. This is AMAZING! (And I would be happy to
supply you with a fireproof coat should you need one - but that need would
be a very strong indication that some are still incapable of clear
thought, a sad
thing, really...;-)
--DR

Agreed.
So it is possible to find rational thinking in these groups.
BTW I have an fire-extinguisher handy.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2009-10-01 09:48:52 -0700, Savageduck said:

On 2009-10-01 09:09:44 -0700, "David Ruether" said:


"Walter Banks" wrote in message
...
Neil Harrington wrote:
"Chris H" wrote in message

So what is your suggestion for helping the US economy?

Cut taxes. Cut wasteful government. Stop earmarks. Get rid of the millions
of illegal aliens who are draining the economy in some parts of the country.
Stop meddling abroad. Dumping the corrupt and mostly worthless UN
wouldn't be a bad idea either.

My list from the outside looking in would be

1) Reform health care with the objective that everyone 100% is covered at a
cost of 10% of GDP instead of currently using 16% of GDP to cover about
85% of the population. Heath care is about making the country competitive.
This will take 15 years to implement and long term be essentially
revenue neutral

2) Look at the growth in educated people in third world countries that the US
is competing with for manufactured goods and establish educational goals to
compete commercially in 2030. It will take 20 years to implement and have a
GMROI of about 35%

3) Use the UN and its multilevel internal structure to deal with some
of the very
real security concerns the US has. Marshall world political support for
security
objectives and military support through NATO to reduce security costs back to
that most industrialized nations need. The US has permanate seat in the
security
council use the bully pulpit for force diplomacy and use the veto as fine edged
tool and not a blunt object. Other permanate seats in the security
council would
take the US lead.

4) Address the very real competitive issue of how to compete with the EU. The
EU as a block has a similar GDP to the US. Form economic alliances with the
America's, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and (yes) Venezuela, Chile and
Cuba. If the US can deal with China then Cuba should be a no brainer. Each of
those countries has something to offer. For example Cuba could help a lot with
inner city health care implementation.

5) Reduce the dependency in Foreign oil. Right now it is a $1B/day problem in
the US

6) Map a plan for relations with China in 2050. China will be an economic force
and could become a political force in the world. Something like the Towards the
year 2000 papers that were written in the 70's outlining the
relationship with Japan.

7) Move low level manufacturing back to the US and treat the inner cities as if
they were a third world country.

Comments on the alternatives

Cut taxes.
Cut wasteful government.
Stop earmarks.

How much would this save? How would it make life in the US better for the
individual?

Get rid of the millions of illegal aliens who are draining the economy
in some parts
of the country.

There doesn't appear to be the economic will to prevent them from working in
the US. Collectively the US has decided that they are worth more in the US than
out of the US. At this point the illegal aliens are political scapegoats

Stop meddling abroad.

This is far more complex than not. Iraq has been seen externally as a military
adventure. Afghanistan had a lot of international support when it was
started. Iraq
directly and indirectly cost the US a lot. The real impact of 9/11 was
economic.
It was a horrible attack but much of the economic impact the US let happen and
was un-necessary. The US has spent a lot on internal security that is
marginally
effective. Of all the Government programs this is the only one I have
seen that is
significantly wasteful

Dumping the corrupt and mostly worthless UN wouldn't be a bad idea either.

The UN and several other world organizations could be used much more
effectively.
The World Court in the Hague for example.

Boy will I need a new fire proof coat on this one

w..

I WOULD HOPE NOT!!!! You write nothing but intelligent, informed, and
well thought out good sense. This is AMAZING! (And I would be happy to
supply you with a fireproof coat should you need one - but that need would
be a very strong indication that some are still incapable of clear
thought, a sad
thing, really...;-)
--DR

Agreed.
So it is possible to find rational thinking in these groups.
BTW I have an fire-extinguisher handy.

Darn typos again, that was, "a fire-extinguisher." :-)
--
Regards,

Savageduck