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Canon 20D review posted on dpreview
Douglas MacDonald wrote:
If you read my message properly you'd see I said 1.04 (corrected) and higher. Have you got a testerone problem or something Learn how to spell a word before you post it to a newsgroup. The correct spelling of the word you were attempting to use is TESTOSTERONE. |
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I don't know what you mean. I don't have a web site and the only problem I
have with dpreview is that his reviews are not be honest about potential problems one might have with the product. Reviews are supposed to help people make an informed choice, they can't do that when possible problems/bugs aren't even mentioned. He spent more time talking about the memory card door than the did about the bugs one might experience with the camera. Just because he had no problems and just because not everyone has had problems is not the point. About 10% of people have had problems and are still having problems. This should have been mentioned. A little criticism for Canon putting out a firmware update that actually killed some peoples cameras was also do. John |
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That isn't true. The 20D didn't ship with a 1.0 firmware. Even the beta
units sent to reviewers had the 1.02. All of the current firmware have people reporting lockups including the 1.04 and 1.05. The problems have yet to be fixed. John "Douglas MacDonald" wrote in message ... Ken Ellis wrote: Great..cause i have one being shipped now. Do you know what ver. of firmware is effected (eg. new cam may have newer firmware) I am getting the kit with the 18-55 "s"lens. I'm seriously considering gettin the 10-22 wide angle s lens. I'm really looking forward to working with this cam. Any suggestions on a moderately priced telephoto? I see many affordable tamron 70-300. In any event i appreciate your input rgds Ken I have the same kit with a grip. Basically it's identical to the 10Ds 'pro kit'. I have many lenses left over from the 10D and earlier EOS 35mm. The firmware affected is 1.0 and some 1.02. The fix is 1.4 and higher. My favourite zoom is a Sigma 100-300 f4 APO lens. It's resolving power is at least equal to a 70~200 Canon f2.8 when used with a 1.4X extender. A lot less money than a Canon lens too. I also use a 50mm 1.8 lens for portraits. This lens is a little soft on my 20D but for portraits, it's ideal. You might find some focus problems with a new camera - any new camera in that they do not always focus on the right place. Get yourself a back focus chart and check it out once you get used to the camera. Canon will fix it free and usually in a few days. Otherwise, the 20D is the one to have. Douglas |
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EZD wrote:
Douglas MacDonald wrote: If you read my message properly you'd see I said 1.04 (corrected) and higher. Have you got a testerone problem or something Learn how to spell a word before you post it to a newsgroup. The correct spelling of the word you were attempting to use is TESTOSTERONE. If your post came from a person instead of someone hiding behind some alphabetical soup, I might take you seriously. As it is you are just a troll. Douglas |
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John Doe wrote:
That isn't true. The 20D didn't ship with a 1.0 firmware. Even the beta units sent to reviewers had the 1.02. All of the current firmware have people reporting lockups including the 1.04 and 1.05. The problems have yet to be fixed. John Dear John Doe Is that your real name by any chance? My Australian bought 20D, purchased from the first shipment to arrive at Photo Continental in Brisbane, did indeed come with version 1.0.1 firmware. It did indeed lockup if I changed lenses while the camera was in sleep mode (off) and then I switched it on. The problem did not happen if I changed lenses with the camera left on. It is a trivial problem. I used the 1.0.4 firmware upgrade from Canon Japan's web site which I downloaded about 1 hour after it was posted. The problem is fixed. Some people reported their camera wouldn't boot after replacing the firmware and Canon pulled the update off their site, replacing it later with version 1.0.5. It is the installer, not the firmware upgrade which gave problems and Canon do indeed ship cameras with 1.0.4 firmware and these do not lock up with lens changes. I know several people who probably should never have electronic goods, much less try to upgrade them, tried to flash the firmware with flat batteries, tried to flash the firmware by just putting the update on every flash card they had and yet again, others who seem to think instructions are for dickheads. These people also had problems... More than just the genetic ones they inherited. Quite clearly you do not have a 20D or you would not be making such outrageous statements. Anyone who does have the problem after flashing the firmware (properly) can avail themselves of Canon's 14 day, no questions asked (world wide -I believe)replacement policy. And don't tell me someone can own one of these cameras for 14 days and never change a lens either. So John Doe... You are just a bloody troll with no knowledge of the problem, how it occurs or how it's fixed, aren't you? Why don't you try speaking directly to someone who actually has a clue instead of posting bull**** you got from other people's posts? All you and the other posters with no first hand experience are doing is fanning smoke in the hope of starting a fire. Douglas |
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John Doe wrote:
I don't know what you mean. I don't have a web site and the only problem I have with dpreview is that his reviews are not be honest about potential problems one might have with the product. Reviews are supposed to help people make an informed choice, they can't do that when possible problems/bugs aren't even mentioned. He spent more time talking about the memory card door than the did about the bugs one might experience with the camera. Just because he had no problems and just because not everyone has had problems is not the point. About 10% of people have had problems and are still having problems. This should have been mentioned. A little criticism for Canon putting out a firmware update that actually killed some peoples cameras was also do. John Yeah... Wouldn't it be nice if you actually knew something about what you post? Douglas |
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John Doe wrote:
About 10% of people have had problems and are still having problems. You wouldn't mind telling us how you arrived at the 10% number, would you? -Wolfgang |
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Mr. MacDonald I suggest you pull you head from the ass and take a breath.
You may not be having problems but I am and others are. Your ignorance only makes you more an ass. John "Douglas MacDonald" wrote in message ... John Doe wrote: That isn't true. The 20D didn't ship with a 1.0 firmware. Even the beta units sent to reviewers had the 1.02. All of the current firmware have people reporting lockups including the 1.04 and 1.05. The problems have yet to be fixed. John Dear John Doe Is that your real name by any chance? My Australian bought 20D, purchased from the first shipment to arrive at Photo Continental in Brisbane, did indeed come with version 1.0.1 firmware. It did indeed lockup if I changed lenses while the camera was in sleep mode (off) and then I switched it on. The problem did not happen if I changed lenses with the camera left on. It is a trivial problem. I used the 1.0.4 firmware upgrade from Canon Japan's web site which I downloaded about 1 hour after it was posted. The problem is fixed. Some people reported their camera wouldn't boot after replacing the firmware and Canon pulled the update off their site, replacing it later with version 1.0.5. It is the installer, not the firmware upgrade which gave problems and Canon do indeed ship cameras with 1.0.4 firmware and these do not lock up with lens changes. I know several people who probably should never have electronic goods, much less try to upgrade them, tried to flash the firmware with flat batteries, tried to flash the firmware by just putting the update on every flash card they had and yet again, others who seem to think instructions are for dickheads. These people also had problems... More than just the genetic ones they inherited. Quite clearly you do not have a 20D or you would not be making such outrageous statements. Anyone who does have the problem after flashing the firmware (properly) can avail themselves of Canon's 14 day, no questions asked (world wide -I believe)replacement policy. And don't tell me someone can own one of these cameras for 14 days and never change a lens either. So John Doe... You are just a bloody troll with no knowledge of the problem, how it occurs or how it's fixed, aren't you? Why don't you try speaking directly to someone who actually has a clue instead of posting bull**** you got from other people's posts? All you and the other posters with no first hand experience are doing is fanning smoke in the hope of starting a fire. Douglas |
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Just read the posts on the the various forums.
John |
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John Doe wrote:
Mr. MacDonald I suggest you pull you head from the ass and take a breath. You may not be having problems but I am and others are. Your ignorance only makes you more an ass. John If what you say is true "John Doe". Why have you not taken your camera back and had it replaced under Canon's 14 day replacement policy? Maybe if you let someone know exactly what your problem is(the camera one I mean), you might get some advise. Anyone who has a problem with a Canon DSLR can have it replaced, any time up to 14 days after buying it. Provided of course the "problem" is not caused by another manufacturer's lens or accessory and can be reproduced on request. I'll bet there are plenty of jokers out there trying to make old Tamron and Sigma lenses which never entirely worked with EOS cameras anyway, work on 20Ds and lock them up. No warranty there. Douglas |
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