Can good photographic ability be taught, or is it in-born?

On May 21, 2015, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:13:20 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):

On 5/20/2015 6:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:

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I get home from having my eyeball polished and I find stereotyping has
struck
Orlando. I suppose you are off to shoot your grandsons playing against
an
Indo-European Little League team.

Howe did the operation go?

All is well.

Good luck for tomorrow. Relax, endure the irritation it will be worth it
for
you in the long run.

Are we talking about 'discussing' things with sandman such as what a liar is
and whether talent exists ?

You need to adjust your meds.

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Regards,
Savageduck

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

nospam's "nonsense" means "that
isn't the way I demand that it be done" or "don't speak ill of Apple".

wrong.

it means just what it says, the referenced statement is nonsense.

In article ,
Sandman wrote:

In article , nospam wrote:

Sandman:
When it comes to opera singers, there *is* a "born with it" factor
to it, since your physical body plays a part in how well you can
perform what you do. It's not "talent", but your voice capacity
is important, like how "born with it" length is important to a
basketball player. Also, I'm not really all that interested in
opera singers, so it's hard to come up with a list of comparable
people for me.

in other words, it's not just practice, but being born with it.

But not "talent". Being tall doesn't mean you have "talent" for basket ball.
It means you have an (unfair) physical advantage.

correct.

talent and practice are separate things, and entirely separate of
having a physical advantage.

On 5/21/2015 11:13 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):

On 5/20/2015 6:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

I get home from having my eyeball polished and I find stereotyping has
struck
Orlando. I suppose you are off to shoot your grandsons playing against an
Indo-European Little League team.

Howe did the operation go?

All is well.

Good luck for tomorrow. Relax, endure the irritation it will be worth it for
you in the long run.


My doc gave me an Rx for valium.

You might even find it will change some of what you do to your images in
post. ;-)


That might, or might not be a good thing.




Regards,
Savageduck



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PeterN

On 5/21/15 PDT 8:38 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:59:52 -0700, John McWilliams On 5/20/15 PDT 11:41 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:

Floyd will compose a lengthy treatise on the subject, nospam will
respond with "nonsense" to several statements in it, Sandman will
interleave some "Incorrect" comments and ask for "Substantiation",
Whiskey-Dave will contribute some misspellings, PeterN will tell us
about having lunch with an Indo-European, and SavageDuck will submit
17 HDR images of a prototype Indo-European sports car at a race at
Laguna Seca.

And tony will chime in with sundry accusations of "Liar!" Gosh, I do
feel left out!

Sorry, John, but you have not developed a pattern of expectable
responses. If you could work at developing a catchphrase, you might
be included in the next round.

Thanks, tony, good to know. Liar, liar, pants on fire! (Will that do if
repeated daily?)

Hmmmm, come to think of it, maybe it's a good thing I have no
discernible pattern....

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I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm
not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

On 5/21/15 PDT 8:50 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):

On 5/21/2015 11:05 AM, John McWilliams wrote:
On 5/21/15 PDT 4:54 AM, Sandman wrote:
In ,
Whisky-dave
wrote:

Andreas Skitsnack:
Some of the efforts by these untrained children show that there
is an innate talent involved.

Sandman:
Nope.

Yep, Mozart, I hope you've heard of him.

Thousand and thousands of hours of training. Yup, I've heard of him.

I believe that some have innate talents that other do not have. I also
believe that with the proper high level of interest and intense
practicing, high levels of accomplishment are possible.

One may learn the craft with intense training, but I don't see that
creativity can be taught. Sometimes the creativity is surpressed because
of an an individual's psychological quirks. That hidden talent may be
brought out through proper encouragement. Such encouragement should not
be confused with teaching creativity.

Since everybody has used Picasso as an example, it might be worth noting that
Picasso’s father was a painter who was also a professor of fine art and an
art museum curator. It was his father who provided a formal artistic training
for the young boy and who got his son admitted to the Barcelona school of
Fine Arts. Picasso went on to to the Royal Academy of San Fernando in Madrid,
but dropped out quite soon. He then spent much of his time hanging out in
places such as the Prado, and much of the art he was exposed to there
influenced his work.

So it seems Picasso’s natural born talent was the ability to emulate his
father at an early age.

So, Andreas has a point, but it's not the whole story. Geniuses and
dolts prove that.

Hey! What about those of us who hold PP in medium-to-low esteem?? A
great promoter, fo' sho'.

On 5/21/15 PDT 8:40 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2015 08:05:59 -0700, John McWilliams
wrote:

On 5/21/15 PDT 4:54 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article , Whisky-dave
wrote:

Andreas Skitsnack:
Some of the efforts by these untrained children show that there
is an innate talent involved.

Sandman:
Nope.

Yep, Mozart, I hope you've heard of him.

Thousand and thousands of hours of training. Yup, I've heard of him.

I believe that some have innate talents that other do not have. I also
believe that with the proper high level of interest and intense
practicing, high levels of accomplishment are possible.

So, Andreas has a point, but it's not the whole story. Geniuses and
dolts prove that.

You do understand that "Andreas" is Popinjay's name for me, and one he
plagerized from a post of mine?

No, had no idea. Thought it was Sandman's actual given name. And I don't
know to whom "Popinjay" refers. Such ignorance here, but I will be
gardening soon, so all's right with my little world.

On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):

On 5/21/2015 11:13 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):
On 5/20/2015 6:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

I get home from having my eyeball polished and I find stereotyping has
struck
Orlando. I suppose you are off to shoot your grandsons playing against
an
Indo-European Little League team.

Howe did the operation go?

All is well.

Good luck for tomorrow. Relax, endure the irritation it will be worth it
for
you in the long run.

My doc gave me an Rx for valium.

All I got was a shot of “Versed� which doesn’t do anything for pain, it
just puts you in a state of mind where you don’t care.
http://surgery.about.com/od/beforesu...olamVersed.htm

You might even find it will change some of what you do to your images in
post. ;-)

That might, or might not be a good thing.



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Regards,
Savageduck

On May 21, 2015, John McWilliams wrote
(in ):

On 5/21/15 PDT 8:50 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):

On 5/21/2015 11:05 AM, John McWilliams wrote:
On 5/21/15 PDT 4:54 AM, Sandman wrote:
In ,
Whisky-dave
wrote:

Andreas Skitsnack:
Some of the efforts by these untrained children show that there
is an innate talent involved.

Sandman:
Nope.

Yep, Mozart, I hope you've heard of him.

Thousand and thousands of hours of training. Yup, I've heard of him.

I believe that some have innate talents that other do not have. I also
believe that with the proper high level of interest and intense
practicing, high levels of accomplishment are possible.

One may learn the craft with intense training, but I don't see that
creativity can be taught. Sometimes the creativity is surpressed because
of an an individual's psychological quirks. That hidden talent may be
brought out through proper encouragement. Such encouragement should not
be confused with teaching creativity.

Since everybody has used Picasso as an example, it might be worth noting
that
Picasso’s father was a painter who was also a professor of fine art and
an
art museum curator. It was his father who provided a formal artistic
training
for the young boy and who got his son admitted to the Barcelona school of
Fine Arts. Picasso went on to to the Royal Academy of San Fernando in
Madrid,
but dropped out quite soon. He then spent much of his time hanging out in
places such as the Prado, and much of the art he was exposed to there
influenced his work.

So it seems Picasso’s natural born talent was the ability to emulate his
father at an early age.

So, Andreas has a point, but it's not the whole story. Geniuses and
dolts prove that.

Hey! What about those of us who hold PP in medium-to-low esteem??

Nothing wrong with that.

Agreat promoter, fo' sho'.

Along with Dali, both great self promoters. It must be a Spanish talent.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On 5/21/2015 11:50 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 21, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in ):

On 5/21/2015 11:05 AM, John McWilliams wrote:
On 5/21/15 PDT 4:54 AM, Sandman wrote:
In ,
Whisky-dave
wrote:

Andreas Skitsnack:
Some of the efforts by these untrained children show that there
is an innate talent involved.

Sandman:
Nope.

Yep, Mozart, I hope you've heard of him.

Thousand and thousands of hours of training. Yup, I've heard of him.

I believe that some have innate talents that other do not have. I also
believe that with the proper high level of interest and intense
practicing, high levels of accomplishment are possible.

One may learn the craft with intense training, but I don't see that
creativity can be taught. Sometimes the creativity is surpressed because
of an an individual's psychological quirks. That hidden talent may be
brought out through proper encouragement. Such encouragement should not
be confused with teaching creativity.

Since everybody has used Picasso as an example, it might be worth noting that
Picasso’s father was a painter who was also a professor of fine art and an
art museum curator. It was his father who provided a formal artistic training
for the young boy and who got his son admitted to the Barcelona school of
Fine Arts. Picasso went on to to the Royal Academy of San Fernando in Madrid,
but dropped out quite soon. He then spent much of his time hanging out in
places such as the Prado, and much of the art he was exposed to there
influenced his work.

Some might have, but I question the degree to which cubism and blue
period were influenced by his time in the Prado. IIRC he subsequently
became the chief huncho their.


So it seems Picasso’s natural born talent was the ability to emulate his
father at an early age.


His father may have influenced his decision to become an artist, but I
haven't seen where he copied his father's style.





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Regards,
Savageduck



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PeterN