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Old March 18th 18, 11:00 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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Something I wasn't aware of until I read this article:
https://blog.mingthein.com/2018/03/1...es-on-the-x1d/

The Fuji X1D has no mechanical shutter and it takes a full 1/3s to read
the sensor, which is an eternity and means that you have to be careful
about how you hold the camera:

"Rolling shutter, beware. It?s not just moving objects; hold the camera
stead else verticals may wiggle."

And the camera is limited to ISO 3200:
"There is also no calibration data above ISO 3200 for various technical
reasons, so this is your maximum speed"

A bit strange why a camera, especially one with a MF sensor, would be
limited to ISO 3200.
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Old March 18th 18, 02:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-03-18 10:00:06 +0000, Alfred Molon said:

Something I wasn't aware of until I read this article:
https://blog.mingthein.com/2018/03/1...es-on-the-x1d/


You need to reread the article as you seem to have missed some
pertinent points. As a result you have mistitled the subject line, and
done Fujifilm a disservice.

The Fuji X1D has no mechanical shutter and it takes a full 1/3s to read
the sensor, which is an eternity and means that you have to be careful
about how you hold the camera:


First, nowhere in that article is any Fujifilm camera mentioned. The
camera in question is the Hasselblad X1D. The Fujifilm MF is the
GFX50S, and that has a mechanical focal plane shutter with an option to
use the electronic shutter, or electronic front curtain shutter.

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/gfx/fujifilm_gfx_50s/

"Rolling shutter, beware. It?s not just moving objects; hold the camera
stead else verticals may wiggle."

And the camera is limited to ISO 3200:
"There is also no calibration data above ISO 3200 for various technical
reasons, so this is your maximum speed"

A bit strange why a camera, especially one with a MF sensor, would be
limited to ISO 3200.


The issue it seems is the selection of specific lenses which do not
match well with the X1D since neither the lenses, nor the camera body
have a mechanical shutter. This problem should not exist with the
Fujifilm GFX50S.


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Old March 18th 18, 03:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-03-18 13:07:52 +0000, Savageduck said:

You need to reread the article as you seem to have missed some
pertinent points. As a result you have mistitled the subject line, and
done Fujifilm a disservice.


Putting Leica lenses on a microMF is a waste since the ain't design to
cover that slightly large sensor area. A Sony a7Riii would be a better
choice, in that price range. A TechArt Pro adapter per lense included...

http://techartpro.com/product/techart-pro-leica-m-sony-e-autofocus-adapter/
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Old March 18th 18, 08:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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True. It's a Hasselblad, not a Fuji. Not sure why I confused it with a
Fuji.

But the strangeness remains - why this Hasselblad medium format camera
has no mechanical shutter and needs 1/3s to read the sensor.

You would expect that especially a Hasselblad camera wouldn't have these
problems.
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Old March 18th 18, 09:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Mar 18, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in om):

True. It's a Hasselblad, not a Fuji. Not sure why I confused it with a
Fuji.


I guess that if you start with the similar sized sensors it is easy enough to
make that leap.

But the strangeness remains - why this Hasselblad medium format camera
has no mechanical shutter and needs 1/3s to read the sensor.


Agreed. One would think that with all their experience, and the knowledge
that users would undoubtably want to use a wide selection of lenses with
appropriate adaptors that they would have taken that into account. It is
almost as if they had no thought of users using anything other than Hassy
lenses.

You would expect that especially a Hasselblad camera wouldn't have these
problems.


It does make you think that perhaps the Fujifilm GFX50S would be the better
option.

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Old March 19th 18, 05:50 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-03-18 20:01:54 +0000, Savageduck said:

On Mar 18, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in om):

True. It's a Hasselblad, not a Fuji. Not sure why I confused it with a
Fuji.


I guess that if you start with the similar sized sensors it is easy enough to
make that leap.

But the strangeness remains - why this Hasselblad medium format camera
has no mechanical shutter and needs 1/3s to read the sensor.


Agreed. One would think that with all their experience, and the knowledge
that users would undoubtably want to use a wide selection of lenses with
appropriate adaptors that they would have taken that into account. It is
almost as if they had no thought of users using anything other than Hassy
lenses.

You would expect that especially a Hasselblad camera wouldn't have these
problems.


It does make you think that perhaps the Fujifilm GFX50S would be the better
option.


Fuji has been producing cameras for Hassy since the XPAN that was a
rebranded Fuji 35mm UWA system. Some H cameras have been sold under the
Fuji brand and was developed by them too. With Japanese firmware no
need to say! The Hasseblad lenses have mainly been Fujinons since H1...
Hasselblad has it's headquarters in Copenhagen, Denmark and makes the
databacks for the Hs and scanners themselves. IIRC! Since Hassy was
sold to overseas interest in the mid nineties and the new owners
decided to dump the digital development for short time cash revenue
maximisation very little has happened in Hassy wise in Gothenburg. The
now mostly Danish operation had Imacon (databacks) as a nucleus.
Hasselblad is still registered and has it's legal seat in Gothenburg,
Sweden. Just to get the history right..

No need to say that the the H series is inspired by the Mamiya 645 that
that was a blatant chepoo copy of the Hasselblad 500c/m.

Confusing Hasselblad with Fuji is a rookie but minor misstake!
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Old March 19th 18, 08:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-03-19 04:50:31 +0000, android said:

On 2018-03-18 20:01:54 +0000, Savageduck said:

On Mar 18, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in om):

True. It's a Hasselblad, not a Fuji. Not sure why I confused it with a
Fuji.


I guess that if you start with the similar sized sensors it is easy enough to
make that leap.

But the strangeness remains - why this Hasselblad medium format camera
has no mechanical shutter and needs 1/3s to read the sensor.


Agreed. One would think that with all their experience, and the knowledge
that users would undoubtably want to use a wide selection of lenses with
appropriate adaptors that they would have taken that into account. It is
almost as if they had no thought of users using anything other than Hassy
lenses.

You would expect that especially a Hasselblad camera wouldn't have these
problems.


It does make you think that perhaps the Fujifilm GFX50S would be the better
option.


Fuji has been producing cameras for Hassy since the XPAN that was a
rebranded Fuji 35mm UWA system. Some H cameras have been sold under the
Fuji brand and was developed by them too. With Japanese firmware no
need to say! The Hasseblad lenses have mainly been Fujinons since H1...
Hasselblad has it's headquarters in Copenhagen, Denmark and makes the
databacks for the Hs and scanners themselves. IIRC! Since Hassy was
sold to overseas interest in the mid nineties and the new owners
decided to dump the digital development for short time cash revenue
maximisation very little has happened in Hassy wise in Gothenburg. The
now mostly Danish operation had Imacon (databacks) as a nucleus.
Hasselblad is still registered and has it's legal seat in Gothenburg,
Sweden. Just to get the history right..

No need to say that the the H series is inspired by the Mamiya 645 that
that was a blatant chepoo copy of the Hasselblad 500c/m.

Confusing Hasselblad with Fuji is a rookie but minor misstake!


This is the old Hassy block, factory and offices situated inside the
city mote. It now host condominiums...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qe913ov7c0vjj6t/i150918%236530.oldhassycomplex.jpg

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Old March 19th 18, 08:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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In article .com,
Savageduck says...

It does make you think that perhaps the Fujifilm GFX50S would be the better
option.


It seems that Hasselblad incorporate the shutter into the lens (leaf
shutter). This allows unlimited flash sync speeds (the Fuji has max.
1/125s). Then the Hassy is slimmer, but the Fuji has more lenses.

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