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On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said: In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Indeed, I considred using a iPad to transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple people told me it couldn't be done. it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does. not in the way you think. What way do I think? ...or should I ask, what way do you think I think? read what i said: it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. you then said with the cck, it can do that. that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive plugged into a laptop, both read and write. it cannot. the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and not a hard drive interface kit. I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or E900 via USB cable. My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera. One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power source, the iPad does not do that. Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking? what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise. as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing (assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder). the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more photos, not write images back to them. it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card, especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere. All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. -- PeterN |
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On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote: In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said: In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Indeed, I considred using a iPad to transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple people told me it couldn't be done. it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does. not in the way you think. What way do I think? ...or should I ask, what way do you think I think? read what i said: it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. you then said with the cck, it can do that. that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive plugged into a laptop, both read and write. it cannot. the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and not a hard drive interface kit. I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or E900 via USB cable. My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera. One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power source, the iPad does not do that. Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking? what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise. as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing (assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder). the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more photos, not write images back to them. it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card, especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere. All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does with it is up to the software on each side. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to know. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote: In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said: In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Indeed, I considred using a iPad to transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple people told me it couldn't be done. it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does. not in the way you think. What way do I think? ...or should I ask, what way do you think I think? read what i said: it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. you then said with the cck, it can do that. that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive plugged into a laptop, both read and write. it cannot. the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and not a hard drive interface kit. I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or E900 via USB cable. My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera. One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power source, the iPad does not do that. Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking? what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise. as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing (assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder). the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more photos, not write images back to them. it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card, especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere. All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does with it is up to the software on each side. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to know. I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. -- PeterN |
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On 2013-10-02 17:32:52 -0700, PeterN said:
On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote: In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said: In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Indeed, I considred using a iPad to transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple people told me it couldn't be done. it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does. not in the way you think. What way do I think? ...or should I ask, what way do you think I think? read what i said: it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. you then said with the cck, it can do that. that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive plugged into a laptop, both read and write. it cannot. the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and not a hard drive interface kit. I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or E900 via USB cable. My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera. One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power source, the iPad does not do that. Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking? what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise. as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing (assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder). the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more photos, not write images back to them. it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card, especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere. All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does with it is up to the software on each side. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to know. I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. Nope! The iPad USB is not going to have enough juice to do that. A standard USB card reader hooked up to an IPad with the USB connector provided in the "Camera Connection Kit" is going to give you this message. https://db.tt/UduMmVDt However there are powered USB hard drives designed to work with the iPad which will get you close to what you are looking for. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote: In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said: In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Indeed, I considred using a iPad to transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple people told me it couldn't be done. it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does. not in the way you think. What way do I think? ...or should I ask, what way do you think I think? read what i said: it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive. you then said with the cck, it can do that. that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive plugged into a laptop, both read and write. it cannot. the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and not a hard drive interface kit. I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or E900 via USB cable. My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera. One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power source, the iPad does not do that. Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking? what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise. as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing (assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder). the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more photos, not write images back to them. it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card, especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere. All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does with it is up to the software on each side. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to know. I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple haven't seen fit. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 03/10/2013 03:44, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0400, PeterN [] I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple haven't seen fit. Can the iPad do anything useful with an OTG cable, or is that limited to the micro-USB connector? -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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On 2013-10-02 22:00:27 -0700, David Taylor
said: On 03/10/2013 03:44, Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0400, PeterN [] I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple haven't seen fit. Can the iPad do anything useful with an OTG cable, or is that limited to the micro-USB connector? iPads, iPhones, & iPods use an Apple proprietary USB to 30-pin cable for earlier models, and an Apple USB to "Lightning" cable. This facilitates charging when connected to a USB charger, or charging and syncing when connected to a computer (Apple or Windows, desktop or laptop). It will sync apps and related data, and will permit document exchange between iDevice and computer. When connected, on my Mac, Lightroom sees the iDevice (iPhone or iPad) as a camera and prompts for the download of any images on the device. If using a Mac with iPhoto active, that will do the same (I don't use iPhoto). The Apple "Camera Connection Kit" for 30-pin models comes as two pieces; a SDcard reader and a USB port. This USB port is for connecting cameras using CF cards. Hyperdrive also makes use of this port for its powered iPad portable hard drives. It can also be used for non-power hungry devices. This is the one I use. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC...connection-kit For the newer models with the "Lightning" connector the card reader and the USB port are fixed to a cable. Personally, I have little use for the USB-30-pin cable other than charging and syncing on my Mac. I manage image file transfer between iDevices and computer with the "Photo Transfer App" which uses a Wi-Fi connection, and Dropbox. http://phototransferapp.com/ -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does with it is up to the software on each side. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to know. I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough edit and cull with the iPad. no. that is *well* beyond what any tablet could do, ipad or not. a tablet doesn't fit your needs. no big deal. buy something else that does. that doesn't mean an ipad is crap, it means that your particular use case is not what it was designed to do. it's like buying a car and wondering why you can't put a piano in the trunk. a car was not designed to move pianos. for that you have to get a truck (and additional people). |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB port. Which is the function i need. what it proves is you don't understand what you're talking about. no surprise there. usb devices are either a host (i.e, a computer) or a peripheral (i.e, a hard drive or printer). the ipad is a usb peripheral. it connects to a usb host, such as your computer, both to charge and sync data. it does not connect to other usb peripherals. that's why a usb cable has different plugs at either end, because two usb peripherals can't talk to each other. there has to be a host. however, by using the camera connection kit, it is possible to plug some usb peripherals into the ipad, making it function as a usb host. that's for specific use cases, such as copying photos from a memory card or for audio/midi support. it's not for generic usb host support, which makes no sense for most devices. |
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In article 2013100218245635001-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: However there are powered USB hard drives designed to work with the iPad which will get you close to what you are looking for. no there aren't. what he wants to do can't be done on an ipad or an android tablet either. there are other devices that fit his needs. |
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