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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:16:07 -0500, PeterN
wrote: On 1/24/2016 8:17 AM, Alfred Molon wrote: In article , android says... The consensus is that if you really want an all in one then the iMac is the way to go... The real way to go is, however to buy a Mini Mac and hook up a screen of your choice! Fine, but is there anything with Windows? Yep! I use an HP Elite, which i have upgraded a few times. Added some memory, cost about $70. A few years ago the HD crashed, cost to replace, including labor under $200, including adding a second internal HD. I recently added a new graphics card to support my new monitor. Cost under $100. I have had the machine for a bit over six years. While there is nothing wrong with Macs, I think the ability to easily upgrade makes it a better machine for y purposes. BTW my processor is an eight core i7. Are you sure? They weren't even introduced until late 2014, so if you never replaced the mobo & processor, yours should be only 4 cores. Or do you have a dual processor machine? |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: I would be concerned about driver issues when the programs update. there's no need to be concerned. apple supplies the necessary drivers for the hardware. But do they concern themselves with drivers compatible with Windows applications? I think not. app os driver hardware ... Some drivers for external hardware are not just passive but configurable. Nor is an application for an Apple necessarily identical to that of nominally the same application for Windows. the apps *are* windows apps because the mac is running windows, with the necessary windows drivers. |
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Alfred Molon wrote: In article , Lewis says... Apple makes the best Windows laptops. Why don't they deliver them with Windows on them? You can buy W10 from MS if you really want to put Windows on a Mac and load it through Bootcamp. Most folks that use Macs pay premium for access to OSX and a minority want's Windows to. Believe it or not but MS would charge Apple for shipping Macs with W10 installed... -- teleportation kills |
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On 1/24/2016 4:35 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:01:42 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: why would someone want to buy a 24" tablet with 5 minute battery life and wall mount brackets. the whole concept is stupid. Don't you read or have just got locked in argumentative mode? i read. "Internal battery not needed or perhaps small for for 5 minutes of autonomy, in case the power gets cut off for some reason." that's what an external ups is for, and it can last for much longer than 5 minutes too. there is *no* need to put a battery inside something that normally runs off of wall power or mounts on a wall. it's a complete waste of time and money. now try to justify a wall mounted 24" tablet. are you going to stand in front of it all day? it's a dumb idea. I wouldn't mind getting my two 24" screens off my desk and onto the wall, along with their four not very flexible cables. Quite a few engineers use a touch screen, mounted between 30 degrees and horizontal. Many have used stomach high drafting tables before they retired. A wall mount would provide just such flexibility. A wall mount would take up a lot less space than a drafting table. At my age it is a lot easier to get up an down from a stool, than a chair. But according to nosense, I am wrong. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: Quite a few engineers use a touch screen, mounted between 30 degrees and horizontal. Many have used stomach high drafting tables before they retired. A wall mount would provide just such flexibility. A wall mount would take up a lot less space than a drafting table. At my age it is a lot easier to get up an down from a stool, than a chair. But according to nosense, I am wrong. more twisting. |
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| Apple makes the best Windows laptops.
| | Why don't they deliver them with Windows on them? His statement is heavily biased. If you could buy Windows on a Dell for, say, $800 or the same thing, on basically the same hardware, for twice the price, would you opt for paying an extra $800 to get a little white Apple logo on your laptop? Apple's strength is that they control the whole device, as well as the OS, and can therefore offer great stability, albeit at the cost of options. Apple sells boutique devices to a high-price market. To sell Windows they'd have to compete with all the other struggling companies getting thin profit margins -- HP, Dell, Acer, etc. They did actually sell OEM Macs at one time. I have a brother who used to have one. If I remember correctly, that's one of the things Jobs shut down when he returned to run the company. He wasn't a tech person. He was a marketing person. He knew he'd be better off marketing an image than competing in the market. And he pulled it off in spades. Today, Microsoft has little chintzy stores in the mall while Apple has glass cathedrals dedicated to handing one's money over to Lord Jobs. And damned if people don't line up outside just to get a chance to empty their wallets! ...I guess we should be grateful that Steve Jobs didn't decide to take the career route of Jim Jones. |
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On 1/24/2016 4:50 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:16:07 -0500, PeterN wrote: On 1/24/2016 8:17 AM, Alfred Molon wrote: In article , android says... The consensus is that if you really want an all in one then the iMac is the way to go... The real way to go is, however to buy a Mini Mac and hook up a screen of your choice! Fine, but is there anything with Windows? Yep! I use an HP Elite, which i have upgraded a few times. Added some memory, cost about $70. A few years ago the HD crashed, cost to replace, including labor under $200, including adding a second internal HD. I recently added a new graphics card to support my new monitor. Cost under $100. I have had the machine for a bit over six years. While there is nothing wrong with Macs, I think the ability to easily upgrade makes it a better machine for y purposes. BTW my processor is an eight core i7. Are you sure? They weren't even introduced until late 2014, so if you never replaced the mobo & processor, yours should be only 4 cores. Or do you have a dual processor machine? Yes. I too was surprised. The printed specs for the machine, HP e9270f, show the processor is an i7 quad 4. Yet when I right clicked on the processor in device manager, I saw eight cores. I could have misread it. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpg -- PeterN |
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On 1/24/2016 5:11 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: Quite a few engineers use a touch screen, mounted between 30 degrees and horizontal. Many have used stomach high drafting tables before they retired. A wall mount would provide just such flexibility. A wall mount would take up a lot less space than a drafting table. At my age it is a lot easier to get up an down from a stool, than a chair. But according to nosense, I am wrong. more twisting. You will never admit to saying something stupid, which you obviously did. -- PeterN |
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:35:07 -0500, PeterN
wrote: On 1/24/2016 4:50 PM, Bill W wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:16:07 -0500, PeterN wrote: On 1/24/2016 8:17 AM, Alfred Molon wrote: In article , android says... The consensus is that if you really want an all in one then the iMac is the way to go... The real way to go is, however to buy a Mini Mac and hook up a screen of your choice! Fine, but is there anything with Windows? Yep! I use an HP Elite, which i have upgraded a few times. Added some memory, cost about $70. A few years ago the HD crashed, cost to replace, including labor under $200, including adding a second internal HD. I recently added a new graphics card to support my new monitor. Cost under $100. I have had the machine for a bit over six years. While there is nothing wrong with Macs, I think the ability to easily upgrade makes it a better machine for y purposes. BTW my processor is an eight core i7. Are you sure? They weren't even introduced until late 2014, so if you never replaced the mobo & processor, yours should be only 4 cores. Or do you have a dual processor machine? Yes. I too was surprised. The printed specs for the machine, HP e9270f, show the processor is an i7 quad 4. Yet when I right clicked on the processor in device manager, I saw eight cores. I could have misread it. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpg That got me curious, so I had to Google it: http://superuser.com/questions/96001/why-does-my-intel-i7-920-display-8-cores-instead-of-4-cores The short answer is that your CPU has 4 cores, but 8 threads, and device mgr lists all the threads. I never noticed that. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: | Apple makes the best Windows laptops. | | Why don't they deliver them with Windows on them? His statement is heavily biased. it's not his statement. he's referring to pc magazine, who stated that the macbook pro was the best windows laptop. pc magazine does indeed have a bias, but it's the *opposite* bias as to what you're trying to portray. now why do you think a magazine that caters to the windows crowd chose a macbook as the best windows laptop? If you could buy Windows on a Dell for, say, $800 or the same thing, on basically the same hardware, for twice the price, would you opt for paying an extra $800 to get a little white Apple logo on your laptop? apple products are competitive for similar specs. there is *no* premium for an apple logo (which isn't always white either). match the specs and the price will be similar. configure it differently and the lesser spec system will cost less and the better spec system will cost more. no surprise there. now go price out a microsoft surfacebook if you want to see what premium pricing means. Apple's strength is that they control the whole device, as well as the OS, and can therefore offer great stability, that is a huge, huge advantage and something other companies are realizing, including microsoft, samsung and others. why would someone want a computer that's not stable and keeps crashing or is difficult to configure and maintain? albeit at the cost of options. wrong on that too. Apple sells boutique devices to a high-price market. To sell Windows they'd have to compete with all the other struggling companies getting thin profit margins -- HP, Dell, Acer, etc. you mean like microsoft does with their surfacebook? They did actually sell OEM Macs at one time. I have a brother who used to have one. If I remember correctly, that's one of the things Jobs shut down when he returned to run the company. He wasn't a tech person. He was a marketing person. He knew he'd be better off marketing an image than competing in the market. And he pulled it off in spades. the mac clones were shut down because they were a disaster. Today, Microsoft has little chintzy stores in the mall while Apple has glass cathedrals dedicated to handing one's money over to Lord Jobs. And damned if people don't line up outside just to get a chance to empty their wallets! people also line up for windows, along with all sorts of other stuff. ever been to the mall on black friday, before stores open? https://twitter.com/History_Pics/status/638347514861735936 ...I guess we should be grateful that Steve Jobs didn't decide to take the career route of Jim Jones. idiot. |
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