Canon 5D: So it's real. And by the spec, looks very good.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
lot:

Finally a spot meter.
Full frame.
Large monitor.
0.3EV ISO steps.

A few "odd" things:
6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
understandable, should be bright.
Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
in flash in the 20D?)
3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
that important)

Sample images from the source:
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/eos5d_sample-e.html

So? Which D60/20D/10D shooters are feeling temptation... when the
price inneviably falls under $3K ... $2.5K ... do you leap?

Bret I bet.

Cheers,
Alan
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message
Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
in flash in the 20D?)

nope, it's a separate device on the 20d.

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
oups.com...
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
lot:

Finally a spot meter.
Full frame.
Large monitor.
0.3EV ISO steps.

A few "odd" things:
6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
understandable, should be bright.
Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
in flash in the 20D?)
3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
that important)

What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
proves is that memory cost would result in a significantly higher
price and likely limit the camera's appeal to a much broader market
most of which isn't professional sports photographers.


Sample images from the source:
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/eos5d_sample-e.html

So? Which D60/20D/10D shooters are feeling temptation... when the
price inneviably falls under $3K ... $2.5K ... do you leap?

Bret I bet.

Cheers,
Alan
--
-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm
-- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm
-- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin
-- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch.

What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
proves is that memory cost would result in a significantly higher
price and likely limit the camera's appeal to a much broader market
most of which isn't professional sports photographers.

I find that hard to believe, as memory is so cheap that compared to the
camera's price, it's near negligible. For someone like Canon, who purchases
in quanitity, a gigabyte of memory wouldn't cost them more than $50 - and
probably less. My guess would be that it's size-related, as in a camera
that small, every 1/2 square inch on the PCB is precious...

steve

"Steve Wolfe" wrote in message
...
I find that hard to believe, as

Slow

memory is so cheap that compared to the camera's price, it's near
negligible. For someone like Canon, who purchases in quanitity, a
gigabyte of memory wouldn't cost them more than $50 - and probably less.
My guess would be that it's size-related, as in a camera that small, every
1/2 square inch on the PCB is precious...

Fast memory might cost a whole lot more, or the bus required to support
a larger cache of memory might the limitation. In either case, it's not
commodity memory.

Dave

Alan Browne wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
lot:

Finally a spot meter.
Full frame.
Large monitor.
0.3EV ISO steps.

A few "odd" things:
6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
understandable, should be bright.
Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
in flash in the 20D?)
3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
that important)


Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash? Seems like an
*afforadable* FF dSLR (when the price drops) but has it been crippled
with 3fps rate and lack of AF assist? Will photo journalists be ok with
that low frame rate?

And where is the movie mode? ;-)

- Siddhartha

And where is the movie mode? ;-)
- Siddhartha



You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would love
to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....

In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr

I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
little movies and send them...

Steve Franklin wrote:
And where is the movie mode? ;-)
- Siddhartha



You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would love
to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....

In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr

I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
little movies and send them...

I don't have any puritanistic arguements against more consumer grade
features in dSLRs but I don't think that the current electronics can
handle 30fps from a full-frame or even a APS-C sized sensor. Maybe a
new breed of microprocessors like the cell technology from IBM will
make it possible.

- Siddhartha

"Steve Franklin" wrote in message
...

And where is the movie mode? ;-)
- Siddhartha

You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would
love to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any
less serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....

In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr

I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
little movies and send them...

Tis true. Like leather in a truck, it's an unlikely thing to love.

Anyway, I have a feeling that the mechanical shutter, combined with a
sensor setup that maximizes data collection from the full frame at one time,
makes a downsampled movie mode much harder to integrate.

Dave

David Geesaman wrote:
"Steve Franklin" wrote in message
...

And where is the movie mode? ;-)
- Siddhartha

You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would
love to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any
less serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....

In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr

I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
little movies and send them...

Tis true. Like leather in a truck, it's an unlikely thing to love.

Anyway, I have a feeling that the mechanical shutter, combined with a
sensor setup that maximizes data collection from the full frame at one time,
makes a downsampled movie mode much harder to integrate.

Why not put another small CCD/CMOS sensor that moves in place between
the mirror and viewfinder's optical path when the movie mode is
switched on? Just wondering aloud, don't really know much about dSLR
construction.

- Siddhartha