Nikon is backwards

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I actually drop the set temperature from 20C to 17C with the outside
temperature generally being anywhere between 15C and 5C. It might not
save much but it does save. It only takes about 20 minutes to bring
the bulk of the house back up to temperature.

5c is not that cold.

Don't forget I live in Auckland alongside the harbour. Air temperature
rarely gets below 0C.

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I know. I knew it was coming before it arrived.

so did everyone else, thanks to modern meteorology.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 02:32:12 -0000, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 01:15:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:48:39 -0000, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 02:02:36 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Saturday, 16 February 2019 00:00:21 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:26:52 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:



Why would I want the heating on at home when I'm out most of the day ?
I see you don't know what energy conservation is.

So you don't heat the home when you're at home?

Yes when at home.

I assume you come home at some point.

Yes and like most do have a switch that turns on to heat the home, switches are things thatr can be off or on and for teh most part I prefer my heating off from about 8am to around 4pm during the week because I am not there.

I suppose you leave your car heater and the engine on when you're not using your car.

I don't turn the heating off when I leave home. I merely turn down the
thermostat. I find I don't save money by turning the heating rigt off
and letting the house cool down. If I do that I've got 30 tons of
house and contents to warm back up again at a time when outside
temperatures are falling.

Anybody with proper insulation finds their house won't cool much in the 8 hours they're at work. Might as well just leave the stat set to whatever temperature you want all the time. Do you really think you save much if you let your house be 14C above outside temperature instead of 16C? That's 2/16 you saved, for a third of the day, so **** all.

I actually drop the set temperature from 20C to 17C with the outside
temperature generally being anywhere between 15C and 5C. It might not
save much but it does save. It only takes about 20 minutes to bring
the bulk of the house back up to temperature.

Two reasons I don't do that:
1) It's a hassle, it's easier to pick the temperature I like and have the house like that all the time, 24/7. I don't have to program thermostats to times I'll be in and out of the house, which can vary often.
2) To have the heating able to raise the temperature quickly, you need bigger bulkier radiators. If I leave the temperature the same all the time, I can have slimmer smaller radiators that take up less space.

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Anybody with proper insulation finds their house won't cool much in the 8
hours they're at work. Might as well just leave the stat set to whatever
temperature you want all the time. Do you really think you save much if
you let your house be 14C above outside temperature instead of 16C?
That's 2/16 you saved, for a third of the day, so **** all.

I actually drop the set temperature from 20C to 17C with the outside
temperature generally being anywhere between 15C and 5C. It might not
save much but it does save. It only takes about 20 minutes to bring
the bulk of the house back up to temperature.

Two reasons I don't do that:
1) It's a hassle, it's easier to pick the temperature I like and have the
house like that all the time, 24/7. I don't have to program thermostats to
times I'll be in and out of the house, which can vary often.

smart thermostats have occupancy sensors and geofencing and can do that
automatically without needing to program anything other than what the
set points should be for home and not home, something done once when
installing the stat.

2) To have the heating able to raise the temperature quickly, you need bigger
bulkier radiators. If I leave the temperature the same all the time, I can have
slimmer smaller radiators that take up less space.

a smart thermostat will turn the heat on in advance so that it's the
desired temperature when needed.

that's one of many reasons why it's smart.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

I actually drop the set temperature from 20C to 17C with the outside
temperature generally being anywhere between 15C and 5C. It might not
save much but it does save. It only takes about 20 minutes to bring
the bulk of the house back up to temperature.

Two reasons I don't do that:
1) It's a hassle, it's easier to pick the temperature I like and have the
house like that all the time, 24/7. I don't have to program thermostats
to times I'll be in and out of the house, which can vary often.

smart thermostats have occupancy sensors and geofencing and can do that
automatically without needing to program anything other than what the
set points should be for home and not home, something done once when
installing the stat.

2) To have the heating able to raise the temperature quickly, you need
bigger
bulkier radiators. If I leave the temperature the same all the time, I
can have
slimmer smaller radiators that take up less space.

a smart thermostat will turn the heat on in advance so that it's the
desired temperature when needed.

that's one of many reasons why it's smart.

I think that is quite worrying, when the heating system is smarter than the
user,

why?

Not that it's difficult in this case of course ;-)

very true.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

a smart thermostat will turn the heat on in advance so that it's the
desired temperature when needed.

that's one of many reasons why it's smart.

I think that is quite worrying, when the heating system is smarter than
the
user,

why?

Because it might turn on in order to maximize profits from the energy
supplier at peak time or cost.

that makes no sense. it will call for heat/cool only when it's needed,
not when it's most expensive or least expensive.

I might be going out straight from work so won't be home until midnight, I
really don't want my heating coming on 5 hours before I get home as there's
no point.

use geofencing rather than a timer.

another option is remotely access from a phone to turn it on or off as
needed.

In the UK there's a car that can renew it's own insurance when it runs out,
but most have found (in teh UK) that staying with the same company costs more
and it's better to shop around when your insurence is due for renew.

insurance renews automatically. they just send you another bill.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


I think that is quite worrying, when the heating system is smarter
than
the
user,

why?

Because it might turn on in order to maximize profits from the energy
supplier at peak time or cost.

that makes no sense. it will call for heat/cool only when it's needed,
not when it's most expensive or least expensive.

There are plans in the UK for such things to work with the next gen
smartmeters, switching off an on depending on the price per unit. Which
sounds great until you realise you don't actualy want it to come on.

I've avioded the option to have a smartmeter so far.
A friend has help write an app that records electric usuage every hour and
can display such info on a smartphone.
But not exaclty relieble as yet due to 1000s of meter all connecting at X
time has produced some problems with the beta product.

this is about thermostats, not meters.

I might be going out straight from work so won't be home until midnight, I
really don't want my heating coming on 5 hours before I get home as
there's
no point.

use geofencing rather than a timer.

How will that help.

because it will automatically trigger when you're on the way home.

another option is remotely access from a phone to turn it on or off as
needed.

Yes but that won't be SMART will it, and I can almsot do that now.
I'll be home about 6:30pm tonight so I set my timer accordingly.

only if you know when you'll be home.

otherwise, set it remotely.

In the UK there's a car that can renew it's own insurance when it runs
out,
but most have found (in teh UK) that staying with the same company costs
more
and it's better to shop around when your insurence is due for renew.

insurance renews automatically. they just send you another bill.

Direct debit.
if you want automation, they might as well ask you to visit the bank and pay in cash otherwsie.

even better.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:03:32 -0000, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 00:47:44 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 00:34:15 -0000, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 20:34:28 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Feb 2019 19:08:51 -0000, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2019-02-06 20:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:52:06 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-02-04 15:36, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2019-02-03 20:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 00:07:41 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-02-02 18:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 23:27:31 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-02-01 17:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 18:27:45 -0000, Alan Browne

Drive w/o a seatbelt here and it's a fine.

It's only a fine if you're caught. I get caught once a year,
£100 a
year is a small price to pay for:

Hmm, for someone who moans about the price of everything, that
seems a
strange thing to write.

It's only the cost of 2 tanks of petrol. And I buy way more than 2
tanks a year.
1) No annoyance when leaning forwards.

I wear mine and it's no annoyance to lean forward.

Then you must lean very slowly. Are you one of those annoying
buggers
who sits at junctions for ages, not pulling out when there's enough
room
for a bus?

I pull out when it's safe and courteous to do so.

Which you can't tell without leaning forwards to look.

I went over to the account's office this afternoon and I tested your
notions:

1. With the view from my car I don't need to lean forward at all for
most of the drive. This is sub/extra-urban so nothing blocking the view
towards approaching traffic most of the time.

In the city, esp. the older, narrower road areas, probably would need to
lean forward more.

2. As to leaning, no matter how fast I leaned forward, the seatbelt did
not lock at all. It took quite a good jerk with my hand to get it to
lock.

crickets from Commander know nothing.

You expect me to reply in 5 seconds? Show some patience.

It was up there since Monday slowpoke.

I can't help it if there are hundreds of people replying to me. Wait your ****ing turn, I have more important things than usenet to do.

They don't seem to take much time.

They probably don't have a life. I only spend 20 minutes a day replying to **** in here. After the first few posts most threads degenerate into ****taking.

With you providing most of the ****.

People only think they're taking the ****, when in actual fact they're making monumental fools of themselves.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:41:48 -0000, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2019-02-15 17:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:20:13 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-02-11 11:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 20:46:36 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-02-02 15:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 20:40:00 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-01-31 17:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:44:49 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2019-01-30 17:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:05:49 -0000, Alan Browne
wrote:

Front brake calipers, $650. Installed. (at 15 years in...)..

Holy ****, mine (on the Renault) were £300, at a very expensive
garage.
If I'd have bought them myself they would have been half that..

$650 CAD

CAD? What is that? Computer Aided Design? Stop using acronyms.

Canadian dollars. Something you would have found out in a second of
thoughtful searching.

I shouldn't have to search. It would have taken you less time to type
"$650 Canadian". Are you a slow typer or something? And why can't
your
country invent a word for your own currency instead of taking the USA
one?

Your asshat points continue to build. Anyone in the UK with the
slightest international experience would know what $650 CAD meant.
(Usually written CAD$650.00, I admit).

Anyone in the UK would know how to spell arse. An ass is a type of
animal.

And Canada isn't exactly a country commonly interacted with.

By ignoramuses like you who drive cars around making stops all day, I
suppose it would look that way.

What's ignorant about stopping a car?

Misunderstanding of what you meant by a 'stop'. I construed it as an
"errand stop" not a stop (as in stop sign).

You construed correctly, I do make errand stops. So, what's wrong with that?

= £375. Includes labour, disks, pads.

Get over yourself.

I can buy a calliper for £30 on Ebay.

Not the original parts which is what I spec'd.

Why use original parts?
1) They're going on an old car, they don't need to last so long.
It's a Honda. Plenty left.

2) It was the originals that ****ed up in the first place.

The original ... after 14 years or so... not unhappy.

So you go and buy something which will last until the car is 28?!

There are stupid replies and extraordinarily stupid replies - that is
the later.

You mean "latter."

Quite right. Congratulations on a spelling correction on usenet.
That's stellar.

More likely you just didn't know the word.

And it's not stupid. You had an original last for 14 years, then you pay for a part which will last another 14, past the
end of life of the vehicle. What a stupid waste of money.

Not like there was a graded choice saying:

5 year part: x dollars
10 year part: y dollars
15 year part: z dollars

But I did have to explain that to you. You truly are narrow minded.

There is a graded choice, you can assume the more expensive ones last longer.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Because it might turn on in order to maximize profits from the energy
supplier at peak time or cost.

that makes no sense. it will call for heat/cool only when it's needed,
not when it's most expensive or least expensive.

There are plans in the UK for such things to work with the next gen
smartmeters, switching off an on depending on the price per unit. Which
sounds great until you realise you don't actualy want it to come on.

I've avioded the option to have a smartmeter so far.
A friend has help write an app that records electric usuage every hour and
can display such info on a smartphone.
But not exaclty relieble as yet due to 1000s of meter all connecting at X
time has produced some problems with the beta product.

this is about thermostats, not meters.

No it's about smart devices and what's meant by smart.
Thermostats should be set by a human who knows what they want not a smart
meter.

only once.

I might be going out straight from work so won't be home until
midnight, I
really don't want my heating coming on 5 hours before I get home as
there's
no point.

use geofencing rather than a timer.

How will that help.

because it will automatically trigger when you're on the way home.

Why would I want that.

because it's automatic.

Tonight I'll get home about 6:30, I'll have something to eat and between 7&8
I'll arrange with friends whether they visit me, or I vist them or we'll meet
in the pub from 9pm. I might not be back home tonight until about 2-3am.
Geofencing is of little use to me.

it is, since you don't know exactly when you'll be home.

another option is remotely access from a phone to turn it on or off as
needed.

Yes but that won't be SMART will it, and I can almsot do that now.
I'll be home about 6:30pm tonight so I set my timer accordingly.

only if you know when you'll be home.

I'll know before the smartmeter does.

nope.

otherwise, set it remotely.
So it's not smart then is it, if I need to set it.

it's smart enough to be on the internet.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

I've avioded the option to have a smartmeter so far.
A friend has help write an app that records electric usuage every
hour and
can display such info on a smartphone.
But not exaclty relieble as yet due to 1000s of meter all connecting
at X
time has produced some problems with the beta product.

this is about thermostats, not meters.

No it's about smart devices and what's meant by smart.
Thermostats should be set by a human who knows what they want not a smart
meter.

only once.

Why only once ? I like to set mine as I want it. I notice most thermostates
have temerature guages and can be set to differnt temperatures too.
If you want to save money on your bill reduce the temp by 1C or so.

you do it once. configure it for home, away, vacation, etc. and then it
figures out what to do. you can always override it.

because it will automatically trigger when you're on the way home.

Why would I want that.

because it's automatic.

Doesn't mean I want it just because it's automatic.

I know when I'm on my way home, it;s after I chucked the studetns out of teh
lab and start my way towards the station, ounce there it depends on the
trains , when they arrove and any other things that affect the time it takes
to get home.
Which is between 6 and 7:30.
At 5pm I'll check https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/
depending on which lines are OK or delays affect the time I get home.
Depeneding which route will affect whether or not I go shopping and what I
get.

since the exact time is not known, you can't set it on a timer.

what the stat can do is detect you'll soon be home and call for
heat/cool so that it's at the desired set point when you arrive.



Tonight I'll get home about 6:30, I'll have something to eat and between
7&8
I'll arrange with friends whether they visit me, or I vist them or we'll
meet
in the pub from 9pm. I might not be back home tonight until about 2-3am.
Geofencing is of little use to me.

it is, since you don't know exactly when you'll be home.

So it's of little use.

nope. the opposite.

whenever you're on the way home, it can detect it and call for
heat/cool. it can also detect when you leave and lower the set point,
since nobody is home.


another option is remotely access from a phone to turn it on or off
as needed.

Yes but that won't be SMART will it, and I can almsot do that now.
I'll be home about 6:30pm tonight so I set my timer accordingly.

only if you know when you'll be home.

I'll know before the smartmeter does.

nope.

Yes , unless the smartmeter can interface with London transports status page.
which I doubt.

no need.


otherwise, set it remotely.
So it's not smart then is it, if I need to set it.

it's smart enough to be on the internet.

Surely you've seen what's on the internet "Commander Kinsey",
does that mean the internt is smart, it isn't.

and its various other nyms.