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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
Mike S wrote:
Apologies, I didn't read that you'd gone through all of that. Good luck. No problem. I appreciate the help, and the tribal record will show others how to recover from a bricked MS Windows 10 Pro update. Basically, you must first try all the viable options in the Windows recovery console using the original HDD. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...tore_gui_1.jpg Then you do all that again, using the absolute latest DVD ISO you can find, and, if you can find the same DVD ISO as the OS that was bricked, you do it a third time. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...dvd_repair.jpg That's all that the Microsoft Technical Support people will do, so then you bring it down to the local Microsoft Retail Store for them to try to fix. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_6.jpg You leave it with them for a few days, where they will try to recover the OS but if they can't they'll be glad to recover your data (which I didn't have them do because I backed it up with Knoppix ahead of time). http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_7.jpg They will back up your data to their servers or to any drive you give them, if you want them to, but I can't imagine that they could /find/ your data, so I'm sure if you trust them, you'll lose a lot. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg Anyway, they will fail but when I asked them what they did, they told me they first ran diagnostics, then they tried the recovery console of the boot drive, then the recovery console of the latest Windows Creator edition, and then the recovery console of an older version of Windows 10 and then they ran bcdedit to try to fix the boot record. It all failed but they said there's nothing wrong with the HDD or RAM or motherboard so I picked up my desktop today and am using it now after stopping off at Fryes to buy an SATA III cable and a molex-to-SATA adapter for the power. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...a_cables_1.jpg I had to simply move the SATA position 1 on the motherboard to the boot drive, leaving SATA 2 on the motherboard connected to the DVD disc drive, and then put the new SATAIII cable on SATA position 3 on the motherboard to mount the old HDD, and everything booted up fine. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...e_system_2.jpg I can "see" the old HDD, plus some debugging files the Microsoft store geniuses left behind. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg Where the issue is really closed except for me to try to write up the saga so that the Windows tribal knowledge is updated with the lessons learned. Basically, some of the lessons learned is: 1. Windows 10 Update bricks a lot of systems (at least one a day is handled by the Microsoft retail store) 2. The solution first is to try every viable option in the recovery console, and then try it with a new Windows 10 ISO and then with an old Windows 10 ISO. 3. If that fails, then try to recover the boot records with bcdedit. When/if that fails, you simply start over after backing up your data, where you "should" be able to mount the HDD (I was able to) to save your data with testdisk or knoppix or ddrescue or PhotoRec or Recuva, etc. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_1.jpg In my case, it mounted just fine - although Knoppix gave some weird errors but I'm not too worried because after buying SATA and power cables, I now have two terabyte HDDs in my laptop. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
In article , ultred ragnusen
wrote: The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day. big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per store is nothing. Interestingly, the Microsoft retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley is directly across the aisle from the Apple Sto the microsoft stores are almost always near apple stores, except they're a *lot* less crowded, often with the only people in them being staff. The Microsoft store is almost a direct copy of the Apple model, yep. everyone copies apple. as far as I can tell, only about twice the size. that depends on the store. some apple stores are *huge* and the older smaller ones are being expanded or relocated. PS: The Microsoft Store feeds you though, while the Apple store does not. i've never seen food offered in any microsoft store. |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows withoutinstalling anything on either
ultred ragnusen wrote:
Paul wrote: I had another think about this, and the first question I've got is What utility is this ? "Finished" box. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...x_error_01.jpg Oh. That. It's simply the dialog that Knoppix gives you when you select a directory to right click and "copy" and then you select a location to right click and "paste". Anyway, I picked up the machine from the Microsoft Store today where they found nothing wrong with the HDD or memory, but they couldn't recover the operating system. I asked them what they ran and they spit off a bunch of words (fixboot, scanos, chkdsk, diskpart) but mostly they said they used "bcdedit" after running full diagnostics on the HDD and RAM and motherboard. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_2.jpg I see a dialog box with the word "Finished" but I can't tell what utility put that dialog box there. It's just the normal copy and paste of Knoppix. But it's all over. The Microsoft Update bricked OS is a goner because I tried both Microsoft telephone support and the retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley (right across from the Apple store). http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_3.jpg The bricked MS Windows 10 update is just a disk drive now. Windows seems to mount it just fine once I bought a SATA III cable and a molex-to-SATA connector to hook it up as a second HDD. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...e_system_2.jpg (BTW, I have no idea what that 100GB "system reserved" partition is as I didn't make it to my knowledge.) System Reserved can be several different sizes. If it's small like your 100MB example, you may find \BOOT in there as well as \BOOT\BCD. If that was the case, the "Active" or 0x80 Boot flag would also be set on that partition. The MBR code would be looking to that partition, for the boot manager. The BCD is the binary file with boot settings in it. You can look in there with your TestDisk. Linux can be a nuisance at times, and deny access, so sometimes it takes more work than you might have expected. I might have had trouble with a 0x17 partition type (Hidden NTFS) and needed to change it to 0x07 (using sudo fdisk) and then needed to reboot. It helps to have your LiveCD on a USB stick, for days like that :-) If you do find your /BOOT in there, it's possible to move it to the main C: partition. It's kept separate like that for BitLocker users. The idea being, you can encrypt the entire C: drive, and leave System Reserved visible. And that's how the OS can boot. If you insist on moving the contents of System Reserved onto C: , then your config is no longer "BitLocker Ready". http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=409 I think the BitLocker on Windows 7 uses the Elephant Diffuser and it was removed from Windows 10. If encryption had "belt and suspenders" the Windows 10 version is just "belt". They removed the suspenders. Paul |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
Paul wrote:
Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure out something. Hi Paul, I picked up the desktop today from the Microsoft Retail Store. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg On my way home, I stopped off at Fryes, to pick up the two cables needed to attach the second HDD, which was a red SATA III cable and a molex to SATA flat cable. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...a_cables_1.jpg Putting the new HDD in the SATA1 slot of the motherboard, I can boot off of the new drive which has the latest Windows 10 Pro ISO installed. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg Now that it's confirmed by the Microsoft Retail Store that the operating system the Windows 10 update bricked is a goner, there's really nothing left to do but back up the data and then format the disk as a new disk. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg I don't need two terabytes, where I never even needed one terabyte, so, I guess I'm going to learn how to RAID these things. |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
nospam wrote:
then don't use a system that uses bios, a system that doesn't have such a ridiculous limitation. Just for the record, when the Microsoft Retail Store gave me back my PC today... http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg I asked what they used, and the genius guy kept talking about bcdedit (and they left a bcdedit backup binary file on the bricked HDD). http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg Here's the command options for bcdedit... bcdedit /? BCDEDIT - Boot Configuration Data Store Editor The Bcdedit.exe command-line tool modifies the boot configuration data store. The boot configuration data store contains boot configuration parameters and controls how the operating system is booted. These parameters were previously in the Boot.ini file (in BIOS-based operating systems) or in the nonvolatile RAM entries (in Extensible Firmware Interface-based operating systems). You can use Bcdedit.exe to add, delete, edit, and append entries in the boot configuration data store. For detailed command and option information, type bcdedit.exe /? command. For example, to display detailed information about the /createstore command, type: bcdedit.exe /? /createstore For an alphabetical list of topics in this help file, run "bcdedit /? TOPICS". Commands that operate on a store ================================ /store Used to specify a BCD store other than the current system default. /createstore Creates a new and empty boot configuration data store. /export Exports the contents of the system store to a file. This file can be used later to restore the state of the system store. /import Restores the state of the system store using a backup file created with the /export command. /sysstore Sets the system store device (only affects EFI systems, does not persist across reboots, and is only used in cases where the system store device is ambiguous). Commands that operate on entries in a store =========================================== /copy Makes copies of entries in the store. /create Creates new entries in the store. /delete Deletes entries from the store. /mirror Creates mirror of entries in the store. Run bcdedit /? ID for information about identifiers used by these commands. Commands that operate on entry options ====================================== /deletevalue Deletes entry options from the store. /set Sets entry option values in the store. Run bcdedit /? TYPES for a list of datatypes used by these commands. Run bcdedit /? FORMATS for a list of valid data formats. Commands that control output ============================ /enum Lists entries in the store. /v Command-line option that displays entry identifiers in full, rather than using names for well-known identifiers. Use /v by itself as a command to display entry identifiers in full for the ACTIVE type. Running "bcdedit" by itself is equivalent to running "bcdedit /enum ACTIVE". Commands that control the boot manager ====================================== /bootsequence Sets the one-time boot sequence for the boot manager. /default Sets the default entry that the boot manager will use. /displayorder Sets the order in which the boot manager displays the multiboot menu. /timeout Sets the boot manager time-out value. /toolsdisplayorder Sets the order in which the boot manager displays the tools menu. Commands that control Emergency Management Services for a boot application ================================================== ======================== /bootems Enables or disables Emergency Management Services for a boot application. /ems Enables or disables Emergency Management Services for an operating system entry. /emssettings Sets the global Emergency Management Services parameters. Command that control debugging ============================== /bootdebug Enables or disables boot debugging for a boot application. /dbgsettings Sets the global debugger parameters. /debug Enables or disables kernel debugging for an operating system entry. /hypervisorsettings Sets the hypervisor parameters. Command that control remote event logging ========================================= /eventsettings Sets the global remote event logging parameters. /event Enables or disables remote event logging for an operating system entry. |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
nospam wrote:
The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day. big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per store is nothing. You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with. It's a big deal when a mandatory Microsoft Windows 10 Pro update bricks the system. It's due to poor coding. Very poor coding. Lousy testing too. Interestingly, the Microsoft retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley is directly across the aisle from the Apple Sto the microsoft stores are almost always near apple stores, except they're a *lot* less crowded, often with the only people in them being staff. Interestingly, when I dropped off my computer at the Microsoft Store earlier this week for them to fail at unbricking the operating system, I snapped a few pictures within seconds of each other of the two stores, which are directly across the hall from each other in Santa Clara California. Microsoft: http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...l_store_10.jpg http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_8.jpg http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_6.jpg Apple: http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_2.jpg http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_3.jpg The Microsoft store is almost a direct copy of the Apple model, yep. everyone copies apple. The Santa Clara California Microsoft Store was a lot bigger than the Apple store though, and there was a LOT of gaming going on, with kids everywhere playing the Xbox for free and a special glass room just for seminars. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_5.jpg But it did seem like a bigger copy of Apple, so I agree that they capitalized on what Apple came up with (even though they told me they've been there for many years). as far as I can tell, only about twice the size. that depends on the store. some apple stores are *huge* and the older smaller ones are being expanded or relocated. This is the one in Santa Clara California, where the Microsoft Store is clearly huge compared to the Apple Store. PS: The Microsoft Store feeds you though, while the Apple store does not. i've never seen food offered in any microsoft store. They offered me a the coke you see in this picture... http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_2.jpg |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote: The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day. big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per store is nothing. You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with. all software has bugs. the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case, it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's error. It's a big deal when a mandatory Microsoft Windows 10 Pro update bricks the system. It's due to poor coding. Very poor coding. Lousy testing too. you have no idea what the cause is, nor do the 'geniuses' at the microsoft store. but to re-use your usual (ignorant) line, microsoft obviously doesn't test their software in the real world. Interestingly, the Microsoft retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley is directly across the aisle from the Apple Sto the microsoft stores are almost always near apple stores, except they're a *lot* less crowded, often with the only people in them being staff. Interestingly, when I dropped off my computer at the Microsoft Store earlier this week for them to fail at unbricking the operating system, I snapped a few pictures within seconds of each other of the two stores, which are directly across the hall from each other in Santa Clara California. your pictures prove my point. as far as I can tell, only about twice the size. that depends on the store. some apple stores are *huge* and the older smaller ones are being expanded or relocated. This is the one in Santa Clara California, where the Microsoft Store is clearly huge compared to the Apple Store. invalid sample size. the union square san francisco apple store was *huge*, much bigger than any mall store. i haven't been to the new one yet, but it's reportedly bigger. there are even bigger apple stores than those. |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows withoutinstalling anything on either
nospam wrote:
In article , ultred ragnusen wrote: The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day. big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per store is nothing. You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with. all software has bugs. the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case, it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's error. One of the recent issues (in 2018), was the refusal to boot of older AMD processor based systems. This isn't true bricking (ruining of file system), but it did prevent people from using their computers. The user "Cameo" in the group had an AMD system suffer that fate, and Cameo figured out the necessary DISM command to reverse it and got the system running again. It's unclear exactly what kind of blooper hit Ultred's machine, as the symptoms don't seem to match anything I could find. A little offline DISM or SFC should have repaired the OS base, assuming that the file system really wasn't trashed. My Windows 10 Insider about a week ago (I have two OSes running Insider), both of them suffered Voumme Bitmap trouble, as well as a series of Extended Attributes issues. And Microsoft has been screwing around with Extended Attributes, so it's not exactly a random occurrence. I was able to fix that, and I was initially concerned I'd have to reinstall. But CHKDSK came through. The Win10 16299 is also making "bad" NTFS partitions now. The $MFTMIRR is wrong. If you're making NTFS partitions while running the latest version of Windows 10, I recommend going back to Windows 7 and doing your partitioning there instead. I've had to repair a number of $MFTMIRR entries on NTFS volumes. It's funny that the level of "innocent" "tee hee hee" errors is going up, at a time when we're so far along in Windows 10 development. I just can't figure out what these people are smoking. It's worse than the webcam fiasco (where they added a busted implementation of FrameServe to webcams, and my webcam wouldn't work for three months). Even a chimpanzee with one hand tied behind his back, could have backed out those changes, apologized and fixed my webcam in a week or two, tops. Instead, it was full speed ahead and "screw you" if you need that webcam. "Software as a service". Um, OK. Gotcha. Paul |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
nospam wrote:
You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with. all software has bugs. True dat. the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case, it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's error. What you say is probably true since I customized the hell out of that Windows 10 Pro system such that I was able to do the impossible, which is to stave off Windows updates for /years/, until the Spectre updates on January 25th, 26th, and 27th, finally made it on to my system, and bricked it when it rebooted on the 27th. 01 http://i.cubeupload.com/My174i.jpg 02 http://i.cubeupload.com/0lxuPw.jpg 03 http://i.cubeupload.com/Z2ZaDz.jpg 04 http://i.cubeupload.com/gQGe5w.jpg 05 http://i.cubeupload.com/Y34trY.jpg 06 http://i.cubeupload.com/FHzWVs.jpg 07 http://i.cubeupload.com/IF2Vlc.jpg 08 http://i.cubeupload.com/8v82ir.jpg 09 http://i.cubeupload.com/HfYA6Z.jpg 10 http://i.cubeupload.com/SBiaqx.jpg 11 http://i.cubeupload.com/FwZLFW.jpg 12 http://i.cubeupload.com/Mu43Tx.jpg 13 http://i.cubeupload.com/3L67JF.jpg 14 http://i.cubeupload.com/tV9jYD.jpg It's a big deal when a mandatory Microsoft Windows 10 Pro update bricks the system. It's due to poor coding. Very poor coding. Lousy testing too. you have no idea what the cause is, nor do the 'geniuses' at the microsoft store. I'm pretty sure it's poor coding on the part of Microsoft which couldn't handle my customizations, which is why I'm trying to limit the necessary customizations in this new install of Windows 10. Remember, I was able to do the impossible, which was to stave off any Windows updates, without having to use the metering trick on WiFi and without having to pull the Internet connection in "off" hours. It was a lot of settings that I changed though, perhaps fifty to a hundred, so I'm not sure which particular ones are the ones Microsoft hated but I kept the same Windows 10 Pro for a couple of years, as I recall (at least a year). |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote: the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case, it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's error. What you say is probably true since I customized the hell out of that Windows 10 Pro system such that I was able to do the impossible, which is to stave off Windows updates for /years/, until the Spectre updates on January 25th, 26th, and 27th, finally made it on to my system, and bricked it when it rebooted on the 27th. a foolish goal and more than likely, it was a significant factor that caused your bricking. |
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