warehouse club warning

"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
...

After reading and rereading much the same line here without this point
being injected, I want to add something. Here where I live (in SC),
this town has two Wal-Mart stores and one Sams Club. I've never seen
Ilford paper in either of the Wal-Mart stores here. Further, the
local Sam's club ONLY sells the one labeled "Ilford Galerie
Professional Injet Photo Range Smooth Gloss Paper", I have never seen
the pearl type in there. And I've been buying the smooth gloss paper
from them for several years now. It is always in the same packaging,
and is marked as 250 gsm (or grams/sq.meter). I've never test weighed
in out of the dozens of boxes I've used, but I have checked its
thickness regularly with a dial caliper, and it consistently falls in
the same range from box to box.

Of some interest to me, at least, I tried to find their smooth pearl
paper there, and have been told they do not carry it. And I even
tried to find it listed on their web site, some months ago, but it was
not listed. So, how did you manage to get some from them at all? I
ended up ordering it from B&H Photo, and they were out of the 100
sheet boxes, and had to buy it in 250 sheet box.

Just don't understand the furor.

Olin McDaniel


a) as I said in the original post, the pearl is available via the web site --
not the local club stores. Recent boxes of smooth gloss even contain a flyer
suggesting you go to the website for the pearl. Just go to the web site and
search for 'ilford'. They'll be happy to ups you a pack -- though as of
tonight, it looks like the 8.5x11 pearl has dried up and only the 4x6 pearl is
listed.

b) the 'furor' is this: if you buy an Ilford sample pack, or buy Ilford smooth
gloss or smooth pearl from a photo supply shop, or look on the Ilford web site,
what you get from any of those sources is not the same as what you bought at
sams -- even though there is only one type described on the Ilford web site and
only one type described in the sample pack. Both have exactly the same name,
but the sams version is 250gsm while the Ilford web site [and photo supply
shops, and sample packs] only have a 280gsm version [with the exact same name].

If you are happy with the 250, that's great -- but it isn't the same as what is
sold elsewhere.

Complaints about various countries health systems not withstanding, that's the
furor.

"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
...

After reading and rereading much the same line here without this point
being injected, I want to add something. Here where I live (in SC),
this town has two Wal-Mart stores and one Sams Club. I've never seen
Ilford paper in either of the Wal-Mart stores here. Further, the
local Sam's club ONLY sells the one labeled "Ilford Galerie
Professional Injet Photo Range Smooth Gloss Paper", I have never seen
the pearl type in there. And I've been buying the smooth gloss paper
from them for several years now. It is always in the same packaging,
and is marked as 250 gsm (or grams/sq.meter). I've never test weighed
in out of the dozens of boxes I've used, but I have checked its
thickness regularly with a dial caliper, and it consistently falls in
the same range from box to box.

Of some interest to me, at least, I tried to find their smooth pearl
paper there, and have been told they do not carry it. And I even
tried to find it listed on their web site, some months ago, but it was
not listed. So, how did you manage to get some from them at all? I
ended up ordering it from B&H Photo, and they were out of the 100
sheet boxes, and had to buy it in 250 sheet box.

Just don't understand the furor.

Olin McDaniel


a) as I said in the original post, the pearl is available via the web site --
not the local club stores. Recent boxes of smooth gloss even contain a flyer
suggesting you go to the website for the pearl. Just go to the web site and
search for 'ilford'. They'll be happy to ups you a pack -- though as of
tonight, it looks like the 8.5x11 pearl has dried up and only the 4x6 pearl is
listed.

b) the 'furor' is this: if you buy an Ilford sample pack, or buy Ilford smooth
gloss or smooth pearl from a photo supply shop, or look on the Ilford web site,
what you get from any of those sources is not the same as what you bought at
sams -- even though there is only one type described on the Ilford web site and
only one type described in the sample pack. Both have exactly the same name,
but the sams version is 250gsm while the Ilford web site [and photo supply
shops, and sample packs] only have a 280gsm version [with the exact same name].

If you are happy with the 250, that's great -- but it isn't the same as what is
sold elsewhere.

Complaints about various countries health systems not withstanding, that's the
furor.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:40:45 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
. ..

After reading and rereading much the same line here without this point
being injected, I want to add something. Here where I live (in SC),
this town has two Wal-Mart stores and one Sams Club. I've never seen
Ilford paper in either of the Wal-Mart stores here. Further, the
local Sam's club ONLY sells the one labeled "Ilford Galerie
Professional Injet Photo Range Smooth Gloss Paper", I have never seen
the pearl type in there. And I've been buying the smooth gloss paper
from them for several years now. It is always in the same packaging,
and is marked as 250 gsm (or grams/sq.meter). I've never test weighed
in out of the dozens of boxes I've used, but I have checked its
thickness regularly with a dial caliper, and it consistently falls in
the same range from box to box.

Of some interest to me, at least, I tried to find their smooth pearl
paper there, and have been told they do not carry it. And I even
tried to find it listed on their web site, some months ago, but it was
not listed. So, how did you manage to get some from them at all? I
ended up ordering it from B&H Photo, and they were out of the 100
sheet boxes, and had to buy it in 250 sheet box.

Just don't understand the furor.

Olin McDaniel


a) as I said in the original post, the pearl is available via the web site --
not the local club stores. Recent boxes of smooth gloss even contain a flyer
suggesting you go to the website for the pearl. Just go to the web site and
search for 'ilford'. They'll be happy to ups you a pack -- though as of
tonight, it looks like the 8.5x11 pearl has dried up and only the 4x6 pearl is
listed.

b) the 'furor' is this: if you buy an Ilford sample pack, or buy Ilford smooth
gloss or smooth pearl from a photo supply shop, or look on the Ilford web site,
what you get from any of those sources is not the same as what you bought at
sams -- even though there is only one type described on the Ilford web site and
only one type described in the sample pack. Both have exactly the same name,
but the sams version is 250gsm while the Ilford web site [and photo supply
shops, and sample packs] only have a 280gsm version [with the exact same name].

If you are happy with the 250, that's great -- but it isn't the same as what is
sold elsewhere.



OK, I'll concede one thing and not the other. I was unable to find
the 8X10 Ilford Pearl on Sam's Club web site, when I tried to buy
some, admittedly not knowing there were two grades. That's when I
ordered it from B&H. You seem to admit not being able to get it from
Sam's even yourself.

Now the concession, after you called my attention to the different
B.W. (Basis Weight in the paper manufacturing business, with which I'm
very familiar) - I looked on my various boxes of the smooth and all
from Sam's show 250 g/sm. And the box of the pearl which I ordered
from B&H shows 280 g/sm. So, unless you look very carefully at the
boxes, it is easy to be hoodwinked - BUT they DO show the difference
on the boxes. There are a couple of other subtle differences on the
boxes, but unless you were alerted to look, you might not notice.
Just to confirm this, I compared notes with another local buyer of
Ilford papers, and he had a box of the smooth that he'd bought at a
retailer and it showed 280 g/sm, whereas all mine from Sam's show 250
g/sm. Another interesting difference that we had earlier spotted, his
box showed it came from a Switzerland source, whereas the Sam's Club
product shows it came from a British source. Gotta look close on the
back of the boxes, to see this.

As to being "happy with the 250", I'll simply state it's been the best
of any brand I've ever used so far on my Canon i950. There may be
bettersmooth papers, but I've not found them. The Konica brand (later
to be rebranded under Office Depot's name) is a close second, but now
having found this Ilford - I'm staying here with it, and it's much
cheaper than that from Office Depot as well.

Olin McDaniel

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:40:45 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
. ..

After reading and rereading much the same line here without this point
being injected, I want to add something. Here where I live (in SC),
this town has two Wal-Mart stores and one Sams Club. I've never seen
Ilford paper in either of the Wal-Mart stores here. Further, the
local Sam's club ONLY sells the one labeled "Ilford Galerie
Professional Injet Photo Range Smooth Gloss Paper", I have never seen
the pearl type in there. And I've been buying the smooth gloss paper
from them for several years now. It is always in the same packaging,
and is marked as 250 gsm (or grams/sq.meter). I've never test weighed
in out of the dozens of boxes I've used, but I have checked its
thickness regularly with a dial caliper, and it consistently falls in
the same range from box to box.

Of some interest to me, at least, I tried to find their smooth pearl
paper there, and have been told they do not carry it. And I even
tried to find it listed on their web site, some months ago, but it was
not listed. So, how did you manage to get some from them at all? I
ended up ordering it from B&H Photo, and they were out of the 100
sheet boxes, and had to buy it in 250 sheet box.

Just don't understand the furor.

Olin McDaniel


a) as I said in the original post, the pearl is available via the web site --
not the local club stores. Recent boxes of smooth gloss even contain a flyer
suggesting you go to the website for the pearl. Just go to the web site and
search for 'ilford'. They'll be happy to ups you a pack -- though as of
tonight, it looks like the 8.5x11 pearl has dried up and only the 4x6 pearl is
listed.

b) the 'furor' is this: if you buy an Ilford sample pack, or buy Ilford smooth
gloss or smooth pearl from a photo supply shop, or look on the Ilford web site,
what you get from any of those sources is not the same as what you bought at
sams -- even though there is only one type described on the Ilford web site and
only one type described in the sample pack. Both have exactly the same name,
but the sams version is 250gsm while the Ilford web site [and photo supply
shops, and sample packs] only have a 280gsm version [with the exact same name].

If you are happy with the 250, that's great -- but it isn't the same as what is
sold elsewhere.



OK, I'll concede one thing and not the other. I was unable to find
the 8X10 Ilford Pearl on Sam's Club web site, when I tried to buy
some, admittedly not knowing there were two grades. That's when I
ordered it from B&H. You seem to admit not being able to get it from
Sam's even yourself.

Now the concession, after you called my attention to the different
B.W. (Basis Weight in the paper manufacturing business, with which I'm
very familiar) - I looked on my various boxes of the smooth and all
from Sam's show 250 g/sm. And the box of the pearl which I ordered
from B&H shows 280 g/sm. So, unless you look very carefully at the
boxes, it is easy to be hoodwinked - BUT they DO show the difference
on the boxes. There are a couple of other subtle differences on the
boxes, but unless you were alerted to look, you might not notice.
Just to confirm this, I compared notes with another local buyer of
Ilford papers, and he had a box of the smooth that he'd bought at a
retailer and it showed 280 g/sm, whereas all mine from Sam's show 250
g/sm. Another interesting difference that we had earlier spotted, his
box showed it came from a Switzerland source, whereas the Sam's Club
product shows it came from a British source. Gotta look close on the
back of the boxes, to see this.

As to being "happy with the 250", I'll simply state it's been the best
of any brand I've ever used so far on my Canon i950. There may be
bettersmooth papers, but I've not found them. The Konica brand (later
to be rebranded under Office Depot's name) is a close second, but now
having found this Ilford - I'm staying here with it, and it's much
cheaper than that from Office Depot as well.

Olin McDaniel

Where I live it was 4/6/2005 4:58 PM, when Olin K. McDaniel wrote:

There are a couple of other subtle differences on the boxes, but
unless you were alerted to look, you might not notice. Just to
confirm this, I compared notes with another local buyer of Ilford
papers, and he had a box of the smooth that he'd bought at a
retailer and it showed 280 g/sm, whereas all mine from Sam's show
250 g/sm. Another interesting difference that we had earlier
spotted, his box showed it came from a Switzerland source, whereas
the Sam's Club product shows it came from a British source. Gotta
look close on the back of the boxes, to see this.

My Sam's Club Ilford is 250/gsm and says "Made in Japan" on the back
of the box. Appears Ilford has contracted it's paper mfg to several
sources.

--Ben

Where I live it was 4/6/2005 4:58 PM, when Olin K. McDaniel wrote:

There are a couple of other subtle differences on the boxes, but
unless you were alerted to look, you might not notice. Just to
confirm this, I compared notes with another local buyer of Ilford
papers, and he had a box of the smooth that he'd bought at a
retailer and it showed 280 g/sm, whereas all mine from Sam's show
250 g/sm. Another interesting difference that we had earlier
spotted, his box showed it came from a Switzerland source, whereas
the Sam's Club product shows it came from a British source. Gotta
look close on the back of the boxes, to see this.

My Sam's Club Ilford is 250/gsm and says "Made in Japan" on the back
of the box. Appears Ilford has contracted it's paper mfg to several
sources.

--Ben