Depth of field - two of them?

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:00:17 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 25 January 2019 19:32:37 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:23:53 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 18:37:59 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:48:13 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

If I'm looking for something, I want to buy it today, not when an ad happens to appear.

How do you get soemthing today from amazon via china.
You see I order lots of things on behalf of the students and they often want things yesterday.

If I'm in a hurry I buy from a UK Ebay seller who has a 1st class post option. You could get it the next day, as fast as any mail order outlet like CPC, RS etc.

Finaince dept

Stop letting them control you. Our finance department banned us from buying inkjet printers. They claimed that using the colour photocopier they rented from Xerox was only 6p a page vs. 14p a page for inkjet. I looked into it. 14p a page was using HP printers with genuine HP ink. Using the Brother printers I bought on Ebay, with fake ink, was 1p a page. Oh and I found out who did the survey. Xerox! Bribery and corruption is rife in finance departments.

won't let us use ebay, unless there is no other option, and that will always take longer than ordering from our next day supliers who don't charge for it.

Don't you have a petty cash system to allow people to wander off to B&Q etc? Use that.

I used to get all sorts on Ebay for the school - like a replacement Dell motherboard for £20 instead of £100, or a laptop battery for £15 instead of £40.

We require relibility and genuine components.

The reliability is identical. Remember, the component that failed was a genuine one.

I used freecycle a lot too, mostly in the other direction. The council tried to charge us for disposal of old desks, computers, filing cabinets, etc, so I just photographed them, stuck them on freecycle, and people came and collected them. In one case (as I happened to own a Transit van at the time) I took 30 pieces of furniture to a local charity. They got free perfectly usable stuff, we had to pay no disposal fee. People just don't think outside the box enough nowadays.

We have lots of free tables to dispose off so we have a place in the uni that stores and recycles such things.

Recycles? Reusing is better.

Everybody fastforwards ads on TV,

Then how the hell do you know when anything is on TV or what time.

The EPG or the TV Times.

Yjose are ads, didn't you know,

No ads on the Sky EPG. Just a list of the programs on each channel along with a description.

I've no idea what Sky EPG and I don't pay for Sky TV services.

It's just a list of programs and times, same as the freeview one.

They're telling me to buy something when I clearly don't want it.

No they aren't, an offer isn't an instruction to buy unless you have a really low IQ something just below the level my cat manages.

Ok, I rephrase, they're ASKING me if I would like to buy something.

So it's an ad then isn't it.

Yes, and all ads are annoying.

It's as annoying as someone coming to my door to sell me double glazing. When I want double glazing I'll phone them up (and three of them to get a good quote), not the other way round.

Before Xmas I was looking to buy a 4 TB HD, looked on amazon seleted the one I wanted at £85 to find it was only availble at that price with amazon prime which I don't have. A day or so later an ad appeared for PCworld telling me that they had the same drive for exaclty the same price and I didn't need amazon prime all I needed to do was take a 10min walk to my nearest store.
I never really think of checking PCworld when buying anything let alone stuff for my mac.

Use Ebay, a wider selection of stuff at much lower prices than Amazon. I buy everything except food on Ebay.

Prove it.

Prove what? The wider selection, the lower prices, or that I only buy food elsewhere?

That ebay is better or cheaper for the WD 4TB drive I can buy and collect in about 15mins.

Clearly if it's a WD 4TB drive, they're all the same, all made by WD. And Ebay is cheaper than anywhere else, everyone knows this.

I want a WD 4 TB external drive NEW not used and I want it today.
I want it by 1pm.

I can get one within 10 mins from me at PCworld (well at lunchtime)
So show me where it is cheaper on ebay and easier to get and from a relible source.

https://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/compu...10868-pdt.html

PC WORLD! You gotta be kidding me. I once went in there to get a simple adapter - from DVI to HDMI or something. £12!!! I said no and bought it for £2 on Ebay including postage. I don't understand why that company isstill in business with the stupidly high prices they charge.

They prove it find me a cheaper option for the drive I've linked to above.

I want it for £84.99 and I want it in ~15mins, so show me how this is achievable on ebay.

Ok that surprised me. PC World is usually way overpriced, I guess they've seen the light and become competitive. But I'd buy it here, from PC World via Ebay! No need for me to go collect it. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113375654487

So why do you have to have this drive today and not tomorrow?

Why do I have to wait until tomorrow ?

Why can't anyone plan ahead? It's simply not possible for any normal person to not know what they require a few days beforehand.

Things I used often, like RAM and hard disks, I'd have a pile of them in stock myself, so I had them instantly available.

I wouldn't because of cost, these things drop in price with time.

Only over a year. The 3 hard disks I had in the drawer would be used in under a month. And they're available instantly.

I remmeber us paying £800 for an 80 Meg drive back in the 80s luckily I didn't by a few dozen to keep in stock.

Keeping them from the 80s to now would be a bit over the top.

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Use Ebay, a wider selection of stuff at much lower prices than Amazon.
I buy everything except food on Ebay.

Prove it.

Prove what? The wider selection, the lower prices, or that I only buy
food elsewhere?

That ebay is better or cheaper for the WD 4TB drive I can buy and collect
in about 15mins.

Clearly if it's a WD 4TB drive, they're all the same, all made by WD.

nonsense.

they're definitely *not* all the same, not even from wd.

And
Ebay is cheaper than anywhere else, everyone knows this.

nonsense and everyone knows that you're trolling.

ebay *can* be cheaper if you have time to wait for deals *and* are not
outbid, otherwise the cost is about the same, many times more expensive
due to the need for the seller to cover ebay fees that they wouldn't
outside of ebay.




So why do you have to have this drive today and not tomorrow?

Why do I have to wait until tomorrow ?

Why can't anyone plan ahead? It's simply not possible for any normal person
to not know what they require a few days beforehand.

nonsense.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:03:28 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:38:32 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 23:30:25 -0000, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:06:17 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:12:48 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 18:19:19 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:37:50 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 15:59:55 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:39:12 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 15:12:57 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:03:11 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:


If I block friends of friends, and also friends, I'd see nothing. So what would be the point? Anyone I actually want to speak to, I email, phone, text, or visit in person. Why would I want to discuss things with friends where everyone can see them?

Although I only have ~80 friends on FB most I don't see anything from, but they can messege me or contact me in a group message or post, I don't see what they have for dinner as I have seleted not to see every post they make.
I think I only have 2 friends on FB that I haven't met in real life anyway.
If you know how to use FB it can be useful, but like any method of communication you should be able to control it and I can.

It just seems completely pointless to me. If you want to contact your friend, why not just email them? You can send them videos or photos that way quite easily, and even to more than one friend at a time.

But what if I want all the followers of a friends band to see the video I recordeed of them, I don;t have all their email address and there might be others that liike the band that are not my friends, I might not even like them but why should that stop them from watching the video ?

My Aunt is in several communities of 50 people. She simply has mailing lists in her email program.

and can those in the mailing list contact each other easily almost without thought ?

Just how difficult do you think it is to send an email?

It isn't difficult but it's easier with FB to a group of people that are actually interested. They can subscribe to the group or not there decision on a day to day basis.
I know peolpe in bands and maintaining a list of a few hundred emails address and keeping it up to date with who wants to recieve what isn't easy.
It;s OK for soem who have half a dozen friends but witha few hundred sometimes 1000s it gets more difficult.
But people with a handful of friends might never understand such problems.

The trouble is FB is web-based - if you've ever had the misfortune to use webmail you'll know it's nothing like the real thing. Too much fluffy ****ing about, far better with a program on your own computer. As for large groups of 1000, what's the chances of all those people actually having a FB account?

But I do use youtube to store the video and FB to publicise it, and I don't want 100s of people knowing my email address and I don't want their email addresses.

Why would you want to show a video to people you don't like?

Why not, I'm pretty sure attenbough wouldn't like everyone that views what he does, it's sort of against the laws of probability.

Youtube can publicise a video without using FB.

Yes it can but it isn't as effective as FB is.

I've not found FB to be effective for anything. It's so full of junk adverts and things from people you're not interested in, you're bound to miss the things you actually want to see.

And Hitler was a vegitarian does that make all vegatarians bad , don;t answer that ;-)

Maybe that's what made him think clearly.

Depending on your definition of clearly, as clearly he lost.

Against huge odds. If you entered a chess tournament and were beaten by 7 grandmasters, but won against 3, you'd say you were pretty damn good.

The Germany they built was pretty damned good, but still not good
enough.

If an enormous bodybuilder gets beaten up by 50 wimps, would you say the bodybuilder was useless at fighting?

Most body builders aren;t much good at fighting as they 'train' the wrong muscles i.e. the ones that look good rather than the ones that are usful in strengh.
Body building and fighting isn't the same.

Someone with any muscle 5 times stronger than average will be able to beat them up.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 10:44:03 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:23:43 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:37:16 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

The trouble is FB is web-based -

So ? it doesn't really matter in the 21st century.

Why would he century make a difference?

Then explain what the problem of a web based FB is.

Because it's web based. Slow. Full of adverts and other fluff.

if you've ever had the misfortune to use webmail you'll know it's nothing like the real thing.

So, if the person only uses webmail then that;s the only way to contect them.

Bull****. Webmail uses a normal email address.

So, explain the problem(s) you're having.

The problem is not contacting someone on webmail, but using webmail yourself. Webmail is for emergency use, like when you're on holiday and borrowing a hotel computer. It really is a horrid thing for everyday use.

Too much fluffy ****ing about, far better with a program on your own computer.

If yuo even have one.

You need one for the web too.

Most use smartphones now.

Most people are not 2 foot tall with fingers about 2mm across. Phones are far too small to use the internet properly. Why do you think most people have fairly large desktop screens and not piddly little 14" ones?

As for large groups of 1000, what's the chances of all those people actually having a FB account?

about 100%

Bull****, do you really honestly think that everyone uses facebook?

No I don't think that, but then again I donlt need to contact 100% of the people in the world.

But you would need to contact everyone in the football/rugby/etc club you're controlling. They'll all have email addresses, but they won't all use facebook.

I've not found FB to be effective for anything.

That's you're problem.

"your".

And it's not my problem at all, I simply stopped using a system which doesn't give me any advantages.

Lots of people donlt use FB for all sorts of reasons.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

It's so full of junk adverts and things from people you're not interested in, you're bound to miss the things you actually want to see.

Then write it on a tablet and stick it at the top of some moutain and hope someone climbs the mountain to find it.
I'd stick to FB.

Since when did I suggest going back to smoke signals? Facebook is only one way of electronic communication. I prefer email, phonecalls, texts, etc. They're direct to the people you want, not via some bloody website full of junk.

Prefer what you want but plenty of people do prefer FB to writing letters or sending out mass emails and invites. Just because yuo can't cope with FB.....

I can cope, but I realise it's ****. And there's no point in using it for communication when not everyone has it. Everyone has email.

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Most use smartphones now.

Most people are not 2 foot tall with fingers about 2mm across. Phones are
far too small to use the internet properly. Why do you think most people
have fairly large desktop screens and not piddly little 14" ones?

nonsense. most people use their smartphone to connect to the internet
and in many cases, that's all they use. when not using a phone, they're
usually using a laptop, not a desktop. there are *far* more smartphones
than mac and windows pcs combined.

ecommerce in particular is mostly done on mobile devices and continues
to grow:
https://infographic.statista.com/nor...39_estimated_w
orldwide_mobile_e_commerce_sales_n.jpg

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 21:08:55 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:03:28 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:38:32 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 23:30:25 -0000, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:06:17 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:12:48 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 18:19:19 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:37:50 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 15:59:55 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:39:12 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 21 January 2019 15:12:57 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:03:11 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:


If I block friends of friends, and also friends, I'd see nothing. So what would be the point? Anyone I actually want to speak to, I email, phone, text, or visit in person. Why would I want to discuss things with friends where everyone can see them?

Although I only have ~80 friends on FB most I don't see anything from, but they can messege me or contact me in a group message or post, I don't see what they have for dinner as I have seleted not to see every post they make.
I think I only have 2 friends on FB that I haven't met in real life anyway.
If you know how to use FB it can be useful, but like any method of communication you should be able to control it and I can.

It just seems completely pointless to me. If you want to contact your friend, why not just email them? You can send them videos or photos that way quite easily, and even to more than one friend at a time.

But what if I want all the followers of a friends band to see the video I recordeed of them, I don;t have all their email address and there might be others that liike the band that are not my friends, I might not even like them but why should that stop them from watching the video ?

My Aunt is in several communities of 50 people. She simply has mailing lists in her email program.

and can those in the mailing list contact each other easily almost without thought ?

Just how difficult do you think it is to send an email?

It isn't difficult but it's easier with FB to a group of people that are actually interested. They can subscribe to the group or not there decision on a day to day basis.
I know peolpe in bands and maintaining a list of a few hundred emails address and keeping it up to date with who wants to recieve what isn't easy.
It;s OK for soem who have half a dozen friends but witha few hundred sometimes 1000s it gets more difficult.
But people with a handful of friends might never understand such problems.

The trouble is FB is web-based - if you've ever had the misfortune to use webmail you'll know it's nothing like the real thing. Too much fluffy ****ing about, far better with a program on your own computer. As for large groups of 1000, what's the chances of all those people actually having a FB account?

But I do use youtube to store the video and FB to publicise it, and I don't want 100s of people knowing my email address and I don't want their email addresses.

Why would you want to show a video to people you don't like?

Why not, I'm pretty sure attenbough wouldn't like everyone that views what he does, it's sort of against the laws of probability.

Youtube can publicise a video without using FB.

Yes it can but it isn't as effective as FB is.

I've not found FB to be effective for anything. It's so full of junk adverts and things from people you're not interested in, you're bound to miss the things you actually want to see.

And Hitler was a vegitarian does that make all vegatarians bad , don;t answer that ;-)

Maybe that's what made him think clearly.

Depending on your definition of clearly, as clearly he lost.

Against huge odds. If you entered a chess tournament and were beaten by 7 grandmasters, but won against 3, you'd say you were pretty damn good.

The Germany they built was pretty damned good, but still not good
enough.

If an enormous bodybuilder gets beaten up by 50 wimps, would you say the bodybuilder was useless at fighting?

Most body builders aren;t much good at fighting as they 'train' the wrong muscles i.e. the ones that look good rather than the ones that are usful in strengh.
Body building and fighting isn't the same.

Someone with any muscle 5 times stronger than average will be able to beat them up.

Jimmy Page (my old sergeant major) would quickly demonstrate that
wasn't necessary.
https://magazine.fighttimes.com/reco...o1-jimmy-page/
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:23:44 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Most use smartphones now.

Most people are not 2 foot tall with fingers about 2mm across. Phones are
far too small to use the internet properly. Why do you think most people
have fairly large desktop screens and not piddly little 14" ones?

nonsense. most people use their smartphone to connect to the internet
and in many cases, that's all they use. when not using a phone, they're
usually using a laptop, not a desktop. there are *far* more smartphones
than mac and windows pcs combined.

They are still pigs to use in comparison to a desk top.

ecommerce in particular is mostly done on mobile devices and continues
to grow:
https://infographic.statista.com/nor...39_estimated_w
orldwide_mobile_e_commerce_sales_n.jpg

Agreed, they do have their uses.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Most use smartphones now.

Most people are not 2 foot tall with fingers about 2mm across. Phones are
far too small to use the internet properly. Why do you think most people
have fairly large desktop screens and not piddly little 14" ones?

nonsense. most people use their smartphone to connect to the internet
and in many cases, that's all they use. when not using a phone, they're
usually using a laptop, not a desktop. there are *far* more smartphones
than mac and windows pcs combined.

They are still pigs to use in comparison to a desk top.

that depends on the task. for most of the stuff people do, a mobile
device is *far* more convenient and *far* more portable and in many
cases, much faster.

no device is best at everything.

the best computer is the one you have with you.

ecommerce in particular is mostly done on mobile devices and continues
to grow:
https://infographic.statista.com/nor...39_estimated_w
orldwide_mobile_e_commerce_sales_n.jpg

Agreed, they do have their uses.

that's the point.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

nonsense. most people use their smartphone to connect to the internet
and in many cases, that's all they use. when not using a phone, they're
usually using a laptop, not a desktop. there are *far* more smartphones
than mac and windows pcs combined.

They are still pigs to use in comparison to a desk top.

I wouldn't want to try and use a desk top on the bus, train or in a car.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ters-gawp-woma
n-brings-desktop-computer-first-class/
A shocked commuter took a photograph of a woman who had turned her
First Class seat on a train into an office by installing a large iMac.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

I wouldn't want to try and use a desk top on the bus, train or in a car.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ters-gawp-woma
n-brings-desktop-computer-first-class/
A shocked commuter took a photograph of a woman who had turned her
First Class seat on a train into an office by installing a large iMac.

Not sure it's a large one, but it is first class, if it were the normal
traveler they'd have to use it while standing up.

serves them right for traveling with the commoners.