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B&W only sensors, when?
Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras
(I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? |
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B&W only sensors, when?
Probably neither is very big. The reason for an IR-only DSLR is that
you really cannot duplicate a true IR look in post processing software, while there are many ways to convert a color image file to B&W. And some of these give you tremendous options for how the conversion is done and how it finally looks. Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras (I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? |
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B&W only sensors, when?
"Steven Wandy" wrote in message ... Probably neither is very big. The reason for an IR-only DSLR is that you really cannot duplicate a true IR look in post processing software, while there are many ways to convert a color image file to B&W. And some of these give you tremendous options for how the conversion is done and how it finally looks. Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras (I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? The Fuji cameras (3 models) like their S3 Pro UV IR were really designed for the scientific and forensic end-user. As you can't fake the revealing photography that UV/IR gives with PhotoShop. |
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B&W only sensors, when?
RichA wrote:
Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras (I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? RGB camera images are routinely converted to fine B&W images, so why give up the capability to do both? I'm no expert in color to B&W conversions, but isn't it a matter of luminance in each channel appropriately balanced with green for resolution? -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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B&W only sensors, when?
Alan Browne wrote:
RichA wrote: Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras (I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? RGB camera images are routinely converted to fine B&W images, so why give up the capability to do both? I'm no expert in color to B&W conversions, but isn't it a matter of luminance in each channel appropriately balanced with green for resolution? With a true monochrome sensor you'd have better high ISO/dynamic range, just like true B&W film though you'd have to put filters on the front which cuts down on light some and bayer doesn't lose hardly any luminance detail. -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam |
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B&W only sensors, when?
In article , RichA
wrote: So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? basically, yes. After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? it's not very large, but what else were they going to do with the leftover s3 bodies? |
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B&W only sensors, when?
Paul Furman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: RichA wrote: Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras (I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? RGB camera images are routinely converted to fine B&W images, so why give up the capability to do both? I'm no expert in color to B&W conversions, but isn't it a matter of luminance in each channel appropriately balanced with green for resolution? With a true monochrome sensor you'd have better high ISO/dynamic range, just like true B&W film though you'd have to put filters on the front which cuts down on light some and bayer doesn't lose hardly any luminance detail. Then I don't see the real advantage. And neither it seems do the camera co's. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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B&W only sensors, when?
Alan Browne wrote:
Paul Furman wrote: Alan Browne wrote: RichA wrote: Lack of modularity with the pro DSLRs is the culprit. Medium format cameras (I think) offer this as an option. No Bayer filter backs. I know they offer no AA filter backs. So is the market for B&W shooters so small they can't offer them this option? After all, Fuji made an IR-only DSLR, how large is that market? RGB camera images are routinely converted to fine B&W images, so why give up the capability to do both? I'm no expert in color to B&W conversions, but isn't it a matter of luminance in each channel appropriately balanced with green for resolution? With a true monochrome sensor you'd have better high ISO/dynamic range, just like true B&W film though you'd have to put filters on the front which cuts down on light some and bayer doesn't lose hardly any luminance detail. Then I don't see the real advantage. And neither it seems do the camera co's. I once thought it would be a neat idea but am wondering. -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam |
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"Paul Furman" wrote: Alan Browne wrote: Paul Furman wrote: With a true monochrome sensor you'd have better high ISO/dynamic range, just like true B&W film though you'd have to put filters on the front which cuts down on light some and bayer doesn't lose hardly any luminance detail. Then I don't see the real advantage. And neither it seems do the camera co's. I once thought it would be a neat idea but am wondering. Ditto. I was surprised at how much detail there is in the red channel in demosaiced Bayer images; I was expecting 1/4 resolution, whereas one gets pretty much the same detail in the red channel as in a balanced monochrome conversion. -- David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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B&W only sensors, when?
Paul Furman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: Paul Furman wrote: With a true monochrome sensor you'd have better high ISO/dynamic range, just like true B&W film though you'd have to put filters on the front which cuts down on light some and bayer doesn't lose hardly any luminance detail. Then I don't see the real advantage. And neither it seems do the camera co's. I once thought it would be a neat idea but am wondering. It just ocured to me (well, I was looking at the wiki article on RGB...) that if one had a luminance (white only) sensor system then he could take 3 separate photographs with R then G then B optical filters over the lens and then combine them after and get 36 to 42-bit deep color in every pixel... that would make for great landscape images... in effect that's how the first color photos were made back in the 1800's... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_col...el#Photography -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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