Which online store to use for canvas printing?

"Troy Piggins" wrote in message
...

Are you related to Mark Thomas?

No.

You both seem to have a the same attitude problem.

Thanks, but I don't think it's a problem. He's a pretty astute
guy.

--
Troy Piggins

Absolutely unbelievable!
I can't leave you trolls off your lease for a day without you getting your
juices flowing at the thought I might be on deck in drag.

When I was kid, all the school yard bullies were fat ugly pigs who seemed to
think they knew it all. Guess what Piggo? Not only are you a total fuchwit
but the whole world is privy to the knowledge.

As for your bum buddy Mark Thomas or is it Charles Stevens? You two deserve
each other. A pair of total losers imitating humans beings. Get a life
idiot!

In case you havent figured it out yet... It's me Douglas St James MacDonald.
D-Mac. So fare you fuchwits have fingered 4 people you "thought" (as if you
were capable of the process) were me. How many people are you going to
target before in dawns on you. I don't need to conceal my identity. If I
want to play with you lot, I'll just post some photos. Real one, not stuff I
bought (or stole).

D-Mac, the only one.
http://www.d-mac.info

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:10:43 +1000, Mark Thomas
wrote in
:

[SNIP]

Please take the OT chatting to email.
OT is the Subject doesn't make it OK.
--
Best regards,
John
[PLEASE NOTE: Ads belong *only* in rec.photo.marketplace.digital, as per
http://bobatkins.photo.net/info/charter.htm http://rpdfaq.50megs.com/]

Suddenly, without warning, Jurgen exclaimed (12/15/2008 10:13 PM):
Troy Piggins wrote:
* Jurgen wrote :
jmc wrote:
Suddenly, without warning, Jurgen exclaimed (12/15/2008 2:21 PM):
jmc wrote:
I've been quite taken by some photography I've seen (and
purchased) this weekend, printed on canvas. I was even able to
compare the same photo on paper vs canvas. The canvas prints are
very impressive - vivid and interesting.

The photographer I spoke to does all his own work, so no help
there

I'd like to try this for one or two of my own digital photos. I
see there are a number of online stores that will do this
printing, would be interested in your experiences - who's good,
and who I should avoid. Should I use one of the specialty
companies, or can I use someone like shutterfly?

Any advice is appreciated!

jmc
SNAPFISH
Owned by HP the people who make the printers.
Doesn't look like they do canvas prints - if you know otherwise do
you have a url?
http://www1.snapfish.com.au/gifts/pr...to-canvasprint

Cool. Been looking for a canvas print site. Thanks.

Interesting. Aussie-based print site, but you're in Tennessee or
something? Your international knowledge of printing places is
pretty good. Perhaps you read the recommendation from D-Mac,
with whom you seem to share many similar views:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...0e1307f3cb18b8




I sympathise with any Professional Photographer who gets done over buy
you self centred aussies.

If you really must know, I mistook the OP's location. It seems the
interpretation software I run on Inet's ID code needs a little refining
unless the OP is using the Tor network or a proxy to obfuscate his ID
and I picked up an aussie proxy address.

Are you related to Mark Thomas? You both seem to have a the same
attitude problem.

Used to be in Australia, not any more. Probably still something in my
system that says Aus though. Not that I mind, obfuscating my location
isn't necessarily a bad thing

jmc

Suddenly, without warning, Mark Thomas exclaimed (12/16/2008 2:10 AM):
Troy Piggins wrote:
* Jurgen wrote :
.. If you really must know, I mistook the OP's location. It seems the
interpretation software I run on Inet's ID code needs a little
refining unless the OP is using the Tor network or a proxy to
obfuscate his ID and I picked up an aussie proxy address.

He doesn't need a Tor network. There is no location information
or posting IP address in his headers AFAICT. Did I miss
something?

Although if I were to have a stab in the dark about his location,
and being the trusting kind of guy that I am, I'd look at the
email address, de-obfuscate (is that even a word?) it and figure
he's in the US, based on the TLD part of the address. No need
for fancy "interpretation software".

Are you related to Mark Thomas?

No.

You both seem to have a the same attitude problem.

Thanks, but I don't think it's a problem. He's a pretty astute
guy.

Thanks, Troy. Too kind.

Actually, I confess I find this 'Jurgen' stuff hilarious. At least he
now knows how to spell his name - he started out as 'Juegen'.

That was just a *side-splittingly* elaborate explanation:
It seems the interpretation software I run on Inet's ID code needs a
little refining unless the OP is using the Tor network or a proxy to
obfuscate his ID and I picked up an aussie proxy address.
??? Yeah, that *would be* what happened....

Can't wait for the next faux pas.

I'd be interested as to how he got an aussie addy from my current emails
- I used to be there, but have been in the US for some months now.

jmc

* D-Mac wrote :
* Troy Piggins wrote :

Are you related to Mark Thomas?

No.

You both seem to have a the same attitude problem.

Thanks, but I don't think it's a problem. He's a pretty astute
guy.

Absolutely unbelievable!

G'day Doug. Long time, no read.

I can't leave you trolls off your lease for a day without you getting
your juices flowing at the thought I might be on deck in drag.

You already tried that. Remember when you posed as Sarina Sarin, female
fashion photographer?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...5580e78f1aaee7
4

It did nothing for me. Especially when you signed off with the wrong
name. Oops.

http://groups.google.com/group/aus.p...e42d25cbf33dfe

When I was kid, all the school yard bullies were fat ugly pigs who
seemed to think they knew it all. Guess what Piggo? Not only are you a
total fuchwit but the whole world is privy to the knowledge.

How am I bullying you? Why did you take offence to my posts in this
thread before you chimed in here? Nothing in there was having a go at
you. Right? I think you should re-read them and carefully think about
your answer for a change.

As for your bum buddy Mark Thomas or is it Charles Stevens? You two
deserve each other. A pair of total losers imitating humans beings. Get
a life idiot!

All I said was that I think he's astute. How does that make us "bum
buddies" - jeez, I haven't heard that term since primary school.

At least he can string a sentence together without looking like a gormless
oaf. Look it up, you'll need to.

In case you havent figured it out yet... It's me Douglas St James
MacDonald. D-Mac. So fare you fuchwits have fingered 4 people you
"thought" (as if you were capable of the process) were me.

The only people I have "fingered" as being you have either been outed by
others or you have outed yourself by signing off with "Douglas" instead of
"Julian", "Sarina", "2Squid" or whatever. Who's the idiot now?

How many people are you going to target before in dawns on you. I don't
need to conceal my identity. If I want to play with you lot, I'll just
post some photos. Real one, not stuff I bought (or stole).

If you don't need to conceal your identity, and you said above your name
is "Douglas St James MacDonald", how come you've posted multiple
"professional" websites here under many variations of those names? You
know, Douglas St James, Douglas MacDonald, Douglas James etc. Wouldn't it
be simpler and more honest to use your real name, if you can even remember
what that is? Maybe it's Douglas James MacDonald? Is it?

That's not even talking about the ridiculous number of aliases you post on
USENET with. Jeez, if some of your customers found out what a
potty-mouthed name-shifting guy you are, they'd have to wonder how you can
claim to be a "professional" living by this code of ethics you link from
your website.

Make sure you snip much of the above in your reply. It'll give you more
credibility if your reply ignores the facts that make you look silly.

--
Troy Piggins
using Xnews from work while getting new home connected

"Troy Piggins" wrote in message
...
* D-Mac wrote :
* Troy Piggins wrote :

Are you related to Mark Thomas?


If you don't need to conceal your identity, and you said above your name
is "Douglas St James MacDonald", how come you've posted multiple
"professional" websites here under many variations of those names? You
know, Douglas St James, Douglas MacDonald, Douglas James etc. Wouldn't it
be simpler and more honest to use your real name, if you can even remember
what that is? Maybe it's Douglas James MacDonald? Is it?

That's not even talking about the ridiculous number of aliases you post on
USENET with. Jeez, if some of your customers found out what a
potty-mouthed name-shifting guy you are, they'd have to wonder how you can
claim to be a "professional" living by this code of ethics you link from
your website.

Make sure you snip much of the above in your reply. It'll give you more
credibility if your reply ignores the facts that make you look silly.

--
Troy Piggins
using Xnews from work while getting new home connected

There you go.
The notion I might be using several different PCs with different
owners/users seems to escape you as you do exactly the same thing. Sarina is
my studio manager. Thanks to you and the other idiotic stalking fuchwits
from the kindergarten who were stalking me when I used her laptop, she went
to a moderated forum for her advise. "I made a mistake, I actually thought
photographers posted there" ...were her words about aus photo. Don't even
think you can start on my daughter for using my network to post her photos
of my 65th birthday party. Not even you could be that stupid.

As far as I know, there is no law or established rule to stop someone name
shifting as they try avoid trolls and stalker like you and that liar Mark
Thomas, targeting their posts with nothing in mind but hijacking a thread to
do a bit of head kicking to stave off the boredom.

Why do you do that Piggo? Hijack threads for your own entertainment. Say
what you like about me, apart from defending myself from images thieves,
stalkers and childish idiots like you, I reply to help people, not steal
their thunder. If you seriously want to have a go at me, trot on down to
Wynnum, mate. I'll be only too happy to oblige you. Otherwise, Get the fuch
out of my hair and stop annoying everyone else with your totally off topic
crap.

You seem to have an issue with anything I do. You criticize me... Actually
to the point of trying make me look like a fool when it is you, the
"talented" Expert with all things software who had to ask this old geezer
how to write some script that stopped you stealing my images, who is the
real fool.

In pure Usenet lingo mate...I OWN YOU. The fact you still get your juices
flowing at the thought of me is hilarious. Bend over mate, I need to see
this idiot I so clearly own.

My customers all seem pretty happy with what they get from me. Over 100
positive EBay feedbacks from people who bought cameras and other gear
....including my landscape and seascape canvas enlargements and "shoot &
burn" weddings might think you were out of your tree... IF the branch didn't
break with the weight of all that blubber! ROTFL. Not to mention (but I will
anyway) the wall of letters in my office from satisfied customers, some of
their comments he http://www.douglasjames.com.au/recommendations.htm

Show me where the "potty Mouth" stuff is Fuchwit. Last time I checked
calling an idiot and idiot was pretty straight forward stuff, even an idiot
like you ought to be able to grasp that much... Or can't you read either?

I can't help but wonder what a newly wed bloke is doing up at all hours of
the night starting fights on Usenet with some old geezer who OWNS YOU. Not
impotent by any chance are you? A lot of fat people are. Get a life piggo.
Spend some time dreaming about your wife instead of me.

Trolling around looking for one of my posts just so you can get your rocks
off is no way to advance your social development. Something that is clearly
in need of some corrective adjustments. Targeting innocent people you think
are me, just because they show some intelligence beyond your recognition is
going to get you nothing but trouble mate.

"D-Mac" wrote in message
...

"Troy Piggins" wrote in message
...
* D-Mac wrote :
* Troy Piggins wrote :

Are you related to Mark Thomas?


If you don't need to conceal your identity, and you said above your name
is "Douglas St James MacDonald", how come you've posted multiple
"professional" websites here under many variations of those names? You
know, Douglas St James, Douglas MacDonald, Douglas James etc. Wouldn't
it
be simpler and more honest to use your real name, if you can even
remember
what that is? Maybe it's Douglas James MacDonald? Is it?

That's not even talking about the ridiculous number of aliases you post
on
USENET with. Jeez, if some of your customers found out what a
potty-mouthed name-shifting guy you are, they'd have to wonder how you
can
claim to be a "professional" living by this code of ethics you link from
your website.

Make sure you snip much of the above in your reply. It'll give you more
credibility if your reply ignores the facts that make you look silly.

--
Troy Piggins
using Xnews from work while getting new home connected

There you go.
The notion I might be using several different PCs with different
owners/users seems to escape you as you do exactly the same thing.
I use several different PC's and ALL of them have the same identity on them,
its not that hard to remember the truth Douggie, but then thats a concept
you might want to look up one day.


Sarina is
my studio manager. Thanks to you and the other idiotic stalking fuchwits
from the kindergarten who were stalking me when I used her laptop, she
went to a moderated forum for her advise. "I made a mistake, I actually
thought photographers posted there" ...were her words about aus photo.
Don't even think you can start on my daughter for using my network to post
her photos of my 65th birthday party. Not even you could be that stupid.

As far as I know, there is no law or established rule to stop someone name
shifting as they try avoid

killfiles like a common troll

trolls and stalker like you and that liar Mark

From memory it was you that tried to stalk him through the Elctoral rolls
and your own admission of trying to use the QLD Dept of Transport Licence
records, and from memory THAT is a criminal offence unless your an
authorised user with a VALID reason.

Thomas, targeting their posts with nothing in mind but hijacking a thread
to do a bit of head kicking to stave off the boredom.

Why do you do that Piggo? Hijack threads for your own entertainment.


I suppose the irony of you hijacking THIS thread so you can go off on one of
your patented little "I'm so persecuted" rants will avoid you.

Say
what you like about me,

Thanks, I will :-)

apart from defending myself from images thieves,

as is your right.

stalkers and childish idiots like you, I reply to help people, not steal
their thunder. If you seriously want to have a go at me, trot on down to
Wynnum, mate. I'll be only too happy to oblige you. Otherwise, Get the
fuch out of my hair and stop annoying everyone else with your totally off
topic crap.

You seem to have an issue with anything I do. You criticize me... Actually
to the point of trying make me look like a fool

That you are.

when it is you, the
"talented" Expert with all things software who had to ask this old geezer
how to write some script that stopped you stealing my images, who is the
real fool.

In pure Usenet lingo mate...I OWN YOU. The fact you still get your juices
flowing at the thought of me is hilarious. Bend over mate, I need to see
this idiot I so clearly own.

My customers all seem pretty happy with what they get from me. Over 100
positive EBay feedbacks

98 of them are sockpuppets whos ebay identity points back to your profile
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

from people who bought cameras and other gear
...including my landscape and seascape canvas enlargements and "shoot &
burn" weddings might think you were out of your tree... IF the branch
didn't break with the weight of all that blubber! ROTFL. Not to mention
(but I will anyway) the wall of letters in my office from satisfied
customers, some of their comments he
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/recommendations.htm

Show me where the "potty Mouth" stuff is Fuchwit. Last time I checked
calling an idiot and idiot was pretty straight forward stuff, even an
idiot like you ought to be able to grasp that much... Or can't you read
either?


OK, your an idiot.......................... hey your right, that is easy

your an idiot

your an idiot

insert a couple of hundred lines and we might just get to the bottom of your
idiocy :-)

I can't help but wonder what a newly wed bloke is doing up at all hours of
the night starting fights on Usenet with some old geezer who OWNS YOU. Not
impotent by any chance are you? A lot of fat people are. Get a life piggo.
Spend some time dreaming about your wife instead of me.

Trolling around looking for one of my posts just so you can get your rocks
off is no way to advance your social development. Something that is
clearly in need of some corrective adjustments. Targeting innocent people
you think are me, just because they show some intelligence beyond your
recognition is going to get you nothing but trouble mate.



--
God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?

* D-Mac wrote :
* Troy Piggins wrote :
* D-Mac wrote :
* Troy Piggins wrote :

Are you related to Mark Thomas?

If you don't need to conceal your identity, and you said above your
name is "Douglas St James MacDonald", how come you've posted multiple
"professional" websites here under many variations of those names? You
know, Douglas St James, Douglas MacDonald, Douglas James etc. Wouldn't
it be simpler and more honest to use your real name, if you can even
remember what that is? Maybe it's Douglas James MacDonald? Is it?

That's not even talking about the ridiculous number of aliases you post
on USENET with. Jeez, if some of your customers found out what a
potty-mouthed name-shifting guy you are, they'd have to wonder how you
can claim to be a "professional" living by this code of ethics you link
from your website.

Make sure you snip much of the above in your reply. It'll give you
more credibility if your reply ignores the facts that make you look
silly.

There you go.
The notion I might be using several different PCs with different
owners/users seems to escape you as you do exactly the same thing.
Sarina is my studio manager. Thanks to you and the other idiotic
stalking fuchwits from the kindergarten who were stalking me when I used
her laptop, she went to a moderated forum for her advise. "I made a
mistake, I actually thought photographers posted there" ...were her
words about aus photo. Don't even think you can start on my daughter for
using my network to post her photos of my 65th birthday party. Not even
you could be that stupid.

Wow. You actually believe all that?

If she was in your employ, how do you explain this her not seeming to know
you?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...1c768bfb4b9b8a
e

I know. You'll come up with something.

As far as I know, there is no law or established rule to stop someone
name shifting as they try avoid trolls and stalker like you and that
liar Mark Thomas, targeting their posts with nothing in mind but
hijacking a thread to do a bit of head kicking to stave off the boredom.

You're the one who hijacked this thread, mate. Read back through it.

Why do you do that Piggo? Hijack threads for your own entertainment. Say
what you like about me, apart from defending myself from images thieves,
stalkers and childish idiots like you, I reply to help people,

How did you help in this thread? You jumped in and had a go at me. You
weren't defending yourself, I didn't "attack" you.

I thanked Jurgen for the link. I was on topic. You, on the other hand...

...not steal their thunder. If you seriously want to have a go at me,
trot on down to Wynnum, mate. I'll be only too happy to oblige you.

You have some real anger built up there, mate. Suggest you go get some
fresh air on your boat this Christmas. Relax.

Otherwise, Get the fuch out of my hair and stop annoying everyone else
with your totally off topic crap.

You seem to have an issue with anything I do. You criticize me...
Actually to the point of trying make me look like a fool when it is you,
the "talented" Expert with all things software who had to ask this old
geezer how to write some script that stopped you stealing my images, who
is the real fool.

I think you should read that email again. I emailed you to help YOU.
You had a webpage that was some half-assed attempt to stop people from
saving the images you posted on it. I emailed YOU to TELL YOU it didn't
work and it was still quite easy to download the images so you didn't feel
a false sense of security. I WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU. I wasn't asking for
your help. I even told you in the email how your images were still
exposed.

In pure Usenet lingo mate...I OWN YOU. The fact you still get your
juices flowing at the thought of me is hilarious. Bend over mate, I need
to see this idiot I so clearly own.

Ieeewwww. Fantasise much?

My customers all seem pretty happy with what they get from me. Over 100
positive EBay feedbacks from people who bought cameras and other gear

How many of those were you posting false feedbacks like the clocks n
prints one?

...including my landscape and seascape canvas enlargements and "shoot &
burn" weddings might think you were out of your tree... IF the branch
didn't break with the weight of all that blubber! ROTFL. Not to mention
(but I will anyway) the wall of letters in my office from satisfied
customers, some of their comments he
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/recommendations.htm

Well your credibility certainly is untainted, so I can imagine those are
all genuine.

^
+-- See that? That's sarcasm.

Show me where the "potty Mouth" stuff is Fuchwit.

OMG, LOL. Quote of the year, I reckon. That's going in the signature.
Thanks.

Last time I checked
calling an idiot and idiot was pretty straight forward stuff, even an
idiot like you ought to be able to grasp that much... Or can't you read
either?

I can't help but wonder what a newly wed bloke is doing up at all hours
of the night starting fights on Usenet with some old geezer who OWNS
YOU. Not impotent by any chance are you? A lot of fat people are. Get a
life piggo. Spend some time dreaming about your wife instead of me.

Trolling around looking for one of my posts just so you can get your
rocks off is no way to advance your social development.

Err, again, YOU jumped in here. I wasn't looking for you. You seemed to
find me, though.

Something that is clearly
in need of some corrective adjustments. Targeting innocent people you
think are me, just because they show some intelligence beyond your
recognition is going to get you nothing but trouble mate.

Wow. Nice rant. Name calling, sexual fantasies, fat jokes, impotence
jokes, physically threatening, lies, spelling and grammar of a primary
school kid. It had it all. Thanks for taking the time. Highly
entertaining.

Anywho... I apologise to any others reading this. I didn't mean to go on
so long. It's just so hard when he gives so much material.

--
Troy Piggins
Quote of the year:
"Show me where the "potty Mouth" stuff is Fuchwit." - D-Mac

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:10:43 +1100, "Atheist Chaplain" wrote:

"D-Mac" wrote in message
...

"Troy Piggins" wrote in message
...
* D-Mac wrote :
* Troy Piggins wrote :

Are you related to Mark Thomas?


If you don't need to conceal your identity, and you said above your name
is "Douglas St James MacDonald", how come you've posted multiple
"professional" websites here under many variations of those names? You
know, Douglas St James, Douglas MacDonald, Douglas James etc. Wouldn't
it
be simpler and more honest to use your real name, if you can even
remember
what that is? Maybe it's Douglas James MacDonald? Is it?

That's not even talking about the ridiculous number of aliases you post
on
USENET with. Jeez, if some of your customers found out what a
potty-mouthed name-shifting guy you are, they'd have to wonder how you
can
claim to be a "professional" living by this code of ethics you link from
your website.

Make sure you snip much of the above in your reply. It'll give you more
credibility if your reply ignores the facts that make you look silly.

--
Troy Piggins
using Xnews from work while getting new home connected

There you go.
The notion I might be using several different PCs with different
owners/users seems to escape you as you do exactly the same thing.
I use several different PC's and ALL of them have the same identity on them,
its not that hard to remember the truth Douggie, but then thats a concept
you might want to look up one day.


Sarina is
my studio manager. Thanks to you and the other idiotic stalking fuchwits
from the kindergarten who were stalking me when I used her laptop, she
went to a moderated forum for her advise. "I made a mistake, I actually
thought photographers posted there" ...were her words about aus photo.
Don't even think you can start on my daughter for using my network to post
her photos of my 65th birthday party. Not even you could be that stupid.

As far as I know, there is no law or established rule to stop someone name
shifting as they try avoid

killfiles like a common troll

trolls and stalker like you and that liar Mark

From memory it was you that tried to stalk him through the Elctoral rolls
and your own admission of trying to use the QLD Dept of Transport Licence
records, and from memory THAT is a criminal offence unless your an
authorised user with a VALID reason.

Thomas, targeting their posts with nothing in mind but hijacking a thread
to do a bit of head kicking to stave off the boredom.

Why do you do that Piggo? Hijack threads for your own entertainment.


I suppose the irony of you hijacking THIS thread so you can go off on one of
your patented little "I'm so persecuted" rants will avoid you.

Say
what you like about me,

Thanks, I will :-)

apart from defending myself from images thieves,

as is your right.

stalkers and childish idiots like you, I reply to help people, not steal
their thunder. If you seriously want to have a go at me, trot on down to
Wynnum, mate. I'll be only too happy to oblige you. Otherwise, Get the
fuch out of my hair and stop annoying everyone else with your totally off
topic crap.

You seem to have an issue with anything I do. You criticize me... Actually
to the point of trying make me look like a fool

That you are.

when it is you, the
"talented" Expert with all things software who had to ask this old geezer
how to write some script that stopped you stealing my images, who is the
real fool.

In pure Usenet lingo mate...I OWN YOU. The fact you still get your juices
flowing at the thought of me is hilarious. Bend over mate, I need to see
this idiot I so clearly own.

My customers all seem pretty happy with what they get from me. Over 100
positive EBay feedbacks

98 of them are sockpuppets whos ebay identity points back to your profile
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

from people who bought cameras and other gear
...including my landscape and seascape canvas enlargements and "shoot &
burn" weddings might think you were out of your tree... IF the branch
didn't break with the weight of all that blubber! ROTFL. Not to mention
(but I will anyway) the wall of letters in my office from satisfied
customers, some of their comments he
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/recommendations.htm

Show me where the "potty Mouth" stuff is Fuchwit. Last time I checked
calling an idiot and idiot was pretty straight forward stuff, even an
idiot like you ought to be able to grasp that much... Or can't you read
either?


OK, your an idiot.......................... hey your right, that is easy

your an idiot

your an idiot

insert a couple of hundred lines and we might just get to the bottom of your
idiocy :-)

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high-quality telextenders, which do not reduce the lens' original aperture one
bit. Following is a link to a hand-held taken image of a 432mm f/3.5 P&S lens
increased to an effective 2197mm f/3.5 lens by using two high-quality
teleconverters. To achieve that apparent focal-length the photographer also
added a small step of 1.7x digital zoom to take advantage of the RAW sensor's
slightly greater detail retention when upsampled directly in the camera for JPG
output. As opposed to trying to upsample a JPG image on the computer where those
finer RAW sensor details are already lost once it's left the camera's
processing. (Digital-zoom is not totally empty zoom, contrary to all the
net-parroting idiots online.) A HAND-HELD 2197mm f/3.5 image from a P&S camera
(downsized only, no crop):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/...1dbdb8ac_o.jpg Note that any
in-focus details are cleanly defined to the corners and there is no CA
whatsoever. If you study the EXIF data the author reduced contrast and
sharpening by 2-steps, which accounts for the slight softness overall. Any
decent photographer will handle those operations properly in editing with more
powerful tools and not allow a camera to do them for him. A full f/3.5 aperture
achieved at an effective focal-length of 2197mm (35mm equivalent). Only DSLRs
suffer from loss of aperture due to the manner in which their teleconverters
work. P&S cameras can also have higher quality full-frame 180-degree circular
fisheye and intermediate super-wide-angle views than any DSLR and its glass for
far less cost. Some excellent fish-eye adapters can be added to your P&S camera
which do not impart any chromatic aberration nor edge softness. When used with a
super-zoom P&S camera this allows you to seamlessly go from as wide as a 9mm (or
even wider) 35mm equivalent focal-length up to the wide-angle setting of the
camera's own lens.

3. P&S smaller sensor cameras can and do have wider dynamic range than larger
sensor cameras E.g. a 1/2.5" sized sensor can have a 10.3EV Dynamic Range vs. an
APS-C's typical 7.0-8.0EV Dynamic Range. One quick example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/...7ceaf3a1_o.jpg

4. P&S cameras are cost efficient. Due to the smaller (but excellent) sensors
used in many of them today, the lenses for these cameras are much smaller.
Smaller lenses are easier to manufacture to exacting curvatures and are more
easily corrected for aberrations than larger glass used for DSLRs. This also
allows them to perform better at all apertures rather than DSLR glass which
usually performs well at only one aperture setting per lens. Side by side tests
prove that P&S glass can out-resolve even the best DSLR glass ever made. See
this side-by-side comparison for example
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Ca..._results.shtml
When adjusted for sensor size, the DSLR lens is creating 4.3x's the CA that the
P&S lens is creating, and the P&S lens is resolving almost 10x's the amount of
detail that the DSLR lens is resolving. A difficult to figure 20x P&S zoom lens
easily surpassing a much more easy to make 3x DSLR zoom lens. After all is said
and done you will spend anywhere from 1/10th to 1/50th the price on a P&S camera
that you would have to spend in order to get comparable performance in a DSLR
camera. To obtain the same focal-length ranges as that $340 SX10 camera with
DSLR glass that *might* approach or equal the P&S resolution, it would cost over
$6,500 to accomplish that (at the time of this writing). This isn't counting the
extra costs of a heavy-duty tripod required to make it functional at those
longer focal-lengths and a backpack to carry it all. Bringing that DSLR
investment to over 20 times the cost of a comparable P&S camera. When you buy a
DSLR you are investing in a body that will require expensive lenses, hand-grips,
external flash units, heavy tripods, more expensive larger filters, etc. etc.
The outrageous costs of owning a DSLR add up fast after that initial DSLR body
purchase. Camera companies count on this, all the way to their banks.

5. P&S cameras are lightweight and convenient. With just one P&S camera plus one
small wide-angle adapter and one small telephoto adapter weighing just a couple
pounds, you have the same amount of zoom range as would require over 15 pounds
of DSLR body + lenses. The P&S camera mentioned in the previous example is only
1.3 lbs. The DSLR + expensive lenses that *might* equal it in image quality
comes in at 9.6 lbs. of dead-weight to lug around all day (not counting the
massive and expensive tripod, et.al.) You can carry the whole P&S kit +
accessory lenses in one roomy pocket of a wind-breaker or jacket. The DSLR kit
would require a sturdy backpack. You also don't require a massive tripod. Large
tripods are required to stabilize the heavy and unbalanced mass of the larger
DSLR and its massive lenses. A P&S camera, being so light, can be used on some
of the most inexpensive, compact, and lightweight tripods with excellent
results.

6. P&S cameras are silent. For the more common snap-shooter/photographer, you
will not be barred from using your camera at public events, stage-performances,
and ceremonies. Or when trying to capture candid shots you won't so easily alert
all those within a block around, by the obnoxious clattering noise that your
DSLR is making, that you are capturing anyone's images. For the more dedicated
wildlife photographer a P&S camera will not endanger your life when
photographing potentially dangerous animals by alerting them to your presence.

7. Some P&S cameras can run the revolutionary CHDK software on them, which
allows for lightning-fast motion detection (literally, lightning fast 45ms
response time, able to capture lightning strikes automatically) so that you may
capture more elusive and shy animals (in still-frame and video) where any
evidence of your presence at all might prevent their appearance. Without the
need of carrying a tethered laptop along or any other hardware into remote
areas--which only limits your range, distance, and time allotted for bringing
back that one-of-a-kind image. It also allows for unattended time-lapse
photography for days and weeks at a time, so that you may capture those unusual
or intriguing subject-studies in nature. E.g. a rare slime-mold's propagation,
that you happened to find in a mountain-ravine, 10-days hike from the nearest
laptop or other time-lapse hardware. (The wealth of astounding new features that
CHDK brings to the creative-table of photography are too extensive to begin to
list them all here. See http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK )

8. P&S cameras can have shutter speeds up to 1/40,000th of a second. See:
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CameraFeatures Allowing you to capture fast subject
motion in nature (e.g. insect and hummingbird wings) WITHOUT the need of
artificial and image destroying flash, using available light alone. Nor will
their wing shapes be unnaturally distorted from the focal-plane shutter
distortions imparted in any fast moving objects, as when photographed with all
DSLRs. (See focal-plane-shutter-distortions example-image link in #10.)

9. P&S cameras can have full-frame flash-sync up to and including shutter-speeds
of 1/40,000th of a second. E.g.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Samples:_...%26_Flash-Sync without
the use of any expensive and specialized focal-plane shutter flash-units that
must pulse their light-output for the full duration of the shutter's curtain to
pass slowly over the frame. The other downside to those kinds of flash units is
that the light-output is greatly reduced the faster the shutter speed. Any
shutter speed used that is faster than your camera's X-Sync speed is cutting off
some of the flash output. Not so when using a leaf-shutter. The full intensity
of the flash is recorded no matter the shutter speed used. Unless, as in the
case of CHDK capable cameras where the camera's shutter speed can even be faster
than the lightning-fast single burst from a flash unit. E.g. If the flash's
duration is 1/10,000 of a second, and your CHDK camera's shutter is set to
1/20,000 of a second, then it will only record half of that flash output. P&S
cameras also don't require any expensive and dedicated external flash unit. Any
of them may be used with any flash unit made by using an inexpensive
slave-trigger that can compensate for any automated pre-flash conditions.
Example: http://www.adorama.com/SZ23504.html

10. P&S cameras do not suffer from focal-plane shutter drawbacks and
limitations. Causing camera shake, moving-subject image distortions
(focal-plane-shutter distortions, e.g.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...istortions.jpg
do note the distorted tail-rotor too and its shadow on the ground, 90-degrees
from one another), last-century-slow flash-sync, obnoxiously loud slapping
mirrors and shutter curtains, shorter mechanical life, easily damaged, expensive
repair costs, etc.

11. When doing wildlife photography in remote and rugged areas and harsh
environments; or even when the amateur snap-shooter is trying to take their
vacation photos on a beach or dusty intersection on some city street; you're not
worrying about trying to change lenses in time to get that shot (fewer missed
shots), dropping one in the mud, lake, surf, or on concrete while you do; and
not worrying about ruining all the rest of your photos that day from having
gotten dust & crud on the sensor. For the adventurous photographer you're no
longer weighed down by many many extra pounds of unneeded glass, allowing you to
carry more of the important supplies, like food and water, allowing you to trek
much further than you've ever been able to travel before with your old D/SLR
bricks.

12. Smaller sensors and the larger apertures available at longer focal-lengths
allow for the deep DOF required for excellent macro-photography when using
normal macro or tele-macro lens arrangements. All done WITHOUT the need of any
image destroying, subject irritating, natural-look destroying flash. No DSLR on
the planet can compare in the quality of available-light macro photography that
can be accomplished with nearly any smaller-sensor P&S camera. (To clarify for
DSLR owners/promoters who don't even know basic photography principles: In order
to obtain the same DOF on a DSLR you'll need to stop down that lens greatly.
When you do then you have to use shutter speeds so slow that hand-held
macro-photography, even in full daylight, is all but impossible. Not even your
highest ISO is going to save you at times. The only solution for the DSLR user
is to resort to artificial flash which then ruins the subject and the image;
turning it into some staged, fake-looking, studio setup.)

13. P&S cameras include video, and some even provide for CD-quality stereo audio
recordings, so that you might capture those rare events in nature where a
still-frame alone could never prove all those "scientists" wrong. E.g. recording
the paw-drumming communication patterns of eusocial-living field-mice. With your
P&S video-capable camera in your pocket you won't miss that once-in-a-lifetime
chance to record some unexpected event, like the passage of a bright meteor in
the sky in daytime, a mid-air explosion, or any other newsworthy event. Imagine
the gaping hole in our history of the Hindenberg if there were no film cameras
there at the time. The mystery of how it exploded would have never been solved.
Or the amateur 8mm film of the shooting of President Kennedy. Your video-ready
P&S camera being with you all the time might capture something that will be a
valuable part of human history one day.

14. P&S cameras have 100% viewfinder coverage that exactly matches your final
image. No important bits lost, and no chance of ruining your composition by
trying to "guess" what will show up in the final image. With the ability to
overlay live RGB-histograms, and under/over-exposure area alerts (and dozens of
other important shooting data) directly on your electronic viewfinder display
you are also not going to guess if your exposure might be right this time. Nor
do you have to remove your eye from the view of your subject to check some
external LCD histogram display, ruining your chances of getting that perfect
shot when it happens.

15. P&S cameras can and do focus in lower-light (which is common in natural
settings) than any DSLRs in existence, due to electronic viewfinders and sensors
that can be increased in gain for framing and focusing purposes as light-levels
drop. Some P&S cameras can even take images (AND videos) in total darkness by
using IR illumination alone. (See: Sony) No other multi-purpose cameras are
capable of taking still-frame and videos of nocturnal wildlife as easily nor as
well. Shooting videos and still-frames of nocturnal animals in the total-dark,
without disturbing their natural behavior by the use of flash, from 90 ft. away
with a 549mm f/2.4 lens is not only possible, it's been done, many times, by
myself. (An interesting and true story: one wildlife photographer was nearly
stomped to death by an irate moose that attacked where it saw his camera's flash
come from.)

16. Without the need to use flash in all situations, and a P&S's nearly 100%
silent operation, you are not disturbing your wildlife, neither scaring it away
nor changing their natural behavior with your existence. Nor, as previously
mentioned, drawing its defensive behavior in your direction. You are recording
nature as it is, and should be, not some artificial human-changed distortion of
reality and nature.

17. Nature photography requires that the image be captured with the greatest
degree of accuracy possible. NO focal-plane shutter in existence, with its
inherent focal-plane-shutter distortions imparted on any moving subject will
EVER capture any moving subject in nature 100% accurately. A leaf-shutter or
electronic shutter, as is found in ALL P&S cameras, will capture your moving
subject in nature with 100% accuracy. Your P&S photography will no longer lead a
biologist nor other scientist down another DSLR-distorted path of non-reality.

18. Some P&S cameras have shutter-lag times that are even shorter than all the
popular DSLRs, due to the fact that they don't have to move those agonizingly
slow and loud mirrors and shutter curtains in time before the shot is recorded.
In the hands of an experienced photographer that will always rely on prefocusing
their camera, there is no hit & miss auto-focusing that happens on all
auto-focus systems, DSLRs included. This allows you to take advantage of the
faster shutter response times of P&S cameras. Any pro worth his salt knows that
if you really want to get every shot, you don't depend on automatic anything in
any camera.

19. An electronic viewfinder, as exists in all P&S cameras, can accurately relay
the camera's shutter-speed in real-time. Giving you a 100% accurate preview of
what your final subject is going to look like when shot at 3 seconds or
1/20,000th of a second. Your soft waterfall effects, or the crisp sharp outlines
of your stopped-motion hummingbird wings will be 100% accurately depicted in
your viewfinder before you even record the shot. What you see in a P&S camera is
truly what you get. You won't have to guess in advance at what shutter speed to
use to obtain those artistic effects or those scientifically accurate nature
studies that you require or that your client requires. When testing CHDK P&S
cameras that could have shutter speeds as fast as 1/40,000th of a second, I was
amazed that I could half-depress the shutter and watch in the viewfinder as a
Dremel-Drill's 30,000 rpm rotating disk was stopped in crisp detail in real
time, without ever having taken an example shot yet. Similarly true when
lowering shutter speeds for milky-water effects when shooting rapids and falls,
instantly seeing the effect in your viewfinder. Poor DSLR-trolls will never
realize what they are missing with their anciently slow focal-plane shutters and
wholly inaccurate optical viewfinders.

20. P&S cameras can obtain the very same bokeh (out of focus foreground and
background) as any DSLR by just increasing your focal length, through use of its
own built-in super-zoom lens or attaching a high-quality telextender on the
front. Just back up from your subject more than you usually would with a DSLR.
Framing and the included background is relative to the subject at the time and
has nothing at all to do with the kind of camera and lens in use. Your f/ratio
(which determines your depth-of-field), is a computation of focal-length divided
by aperture diameter. Increase the focal-length and you make your DOF shallower.
No different than opening up the aperture to accomplish the same. The two
methods are identically related where DOF is concerned.

21. P&S cameras will have perfectly fine noise-free images at lower ISOs with
just as much resolution as any DSLR camera. Experienced Pros grew up on ISO25
and ISO64 film all their lives. They won't even care if their P&S camera can't
go above ISO400 without noise. An added bonus is that the P&S camera can have
larger apertures at longer focal-lengths than any DSLR in existence. The time
when you really need a fast lens to prevent camera-shake that gets amplified at
those focal-lengths. Even at low ISOs you can take perfectly fine hand-held
images at super-zoom settings. Whereas the DSLR, with its very small apertures
at long focal lengths require ISOs above 3200 to obtain the same results. They
need high ISOs, you don't. If you really require low-noise high ISOs, there are
some excellent models of Fuji P&S cameras that do have noise-free images up to
ISO1600 and more.

22. Don't for one minute think that the price of your camera will in any way
determine the quality of your photography. Any of the newer cameras of around
$100 or more are plenty good for nearly any talented photographer today. IF they
have talent to begin with. A REAL pro can take an award winning photograph with
a cardboard Brownie Box Camera made a century ago. If you can't take excellent
photos on a P&S camera then you won't be able to get good photos on a DSLR
either. Never blame your inability to obtain a good photograph on the kind of
camera that you own. Those who claim they NEED a DSLR are only fooling
themselves and all others. These are the same people that buy a new camera every
year, each time thinking, "Oh, if I only had the right camera, a better camera,
better lenses, faster lenses, then I will be a great photographer!" If they just
throw enough money at their hobby then the talent-fairy will come by one day,
after just the right offering to the DSLR gods was made, and bestow them with
something that they never had in the first place--talent. Camera company's love
these people. They'll never be able to get a camera that will make their
photography better, because they never were a good photographer to begin with.
They're forever searching for that more expensive camera that might one day come
included with that new "talent in a box" feature. The irony is that they'll
never look in the mirror to see what the real problem has been all along.
They'll NEVER become good photographers. Perhaps this is why these
self-proclaimed "pros" hate P&S cameras so much. P&S cameras instantly reveal to
them their ****-poor photography skills. It also reveals the harsh reality that
all the wealth in the world won't make them any better at photography. It's
difficult for them to face the truth.

23. Have you ever had the fun of showing some of your exceptional P&S
photography to some self-proclaimed "Pro" who uses $30,000 worth of camera gear.
They are so impressed that they must know how you did it. You smile and tell
them, "Oh, I just use a $150 P&S camera." Don't you just love the look on their
face? A half-life of self-doubt, the realization of all that lost money, and a
sadness just courses through every fiber of their being. Wondering why they
can't get photographs as good after they spent all that time and money. Get good
on your P&S camera and you too can enjoy this fun experience.

24. Did we mention portability yet? I think we did, but it is worth mentioning
the importance of this a few times. A camera in your pocket that is instantly
ready to get any shot during any part of the day will get more award-winning
photographs than that DSLR gear that's sitting back at home, collecting dust,
and waiting to be loaded up into that expensive back-pack or camera bag, hoping
that you'll lug it around again some day.

25. A good P&S camera is a good theft deterrent. When traveling you are not
advertising to the world that you are carrying $20,000 around with you. That's
like having a sign on your back saying, "PLEASE MUG ME! I'M THIS STUPID AND I
DESERVE IT!" Keep a small P&S camera in your pocket and only take it out when
needed. You'll have a better chance of returning home with all your photos. And
should you accidentally lose your P&S camera you're not out $20,000. They are
inexpensive to replace.

There are many more reasons to add to this list but this should be more than
enough for even the most unaware person to realize that P&S cameras are just
better, all around. No doubt about it.

The phenomenon of everyone yelling "You NEED a DSLR!" can be summed up in just
one short phrase:

"If even 5 billion people are saying and doing a foolish thing, it remains a
foolish thing."

Suddenly, without warning, Ralph B. exclaimed (12/17/2008 3:28 AM):

Dear Resident-Troll,

Your reply is completely off-topic. Here are some (new & improved) topics that
befit this newsgroup. Please consider them for future discussions and posts:



Or, you might have actually answered my question, instead of trying to
hijack the thread further with your own agenda.

Fine. Now I remember why I left these groups in the first place. Ask a
simple question, get the thread hijacked in a stupid flamewar.

Have fun guys, I'm outta here.

jmc