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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one.
Sensor dirty? Just open the back up and clean it easily. No messing around with myriad silly controls and menus, just basic, auto or manual control. Film area becomes the battery compartment on the left, electronics go in the right film compartment. Mirror is the same, shutter is the same. Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" -Rich |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
Rich wrote:
I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. Sensor dirty? Just open the back up and clean it easily. No messing around with myriad silly controls and menus, just basic, auto or manual control. Film area becomes the battery compartment on the left, electronics go in the right film compartment. Mirror is the same, shutter is the same. Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" -Rich Is that why I love to play with my immaculate fifty-year-old Leica 3f? I thought it was just me, now I know there must be at least 2 of us! Dennis. |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
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wrote: 'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. Sensor dirty? Just open the back up and clean it easily. No messing around with myriad silly controls and menus, just basic, auto or manual control. Film area becomes the battery compartment on the left, electronics go in the right film compartment. Mirror is the same, shutter is the same. Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" -Rich Oh, I agree - so much so that I usually skip the digital part and just put film in it. |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:12:48 -0500, Rich wrote:
I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. Sensor dirty? Just open the back up and clean it easily. No messing around with myriad silly controls and menus, just basic, auto or manual control. Film area becomes the battery compartment on the left, electronics go in the right film compartment. Mirror is the same, shutter is the same. Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" -Rich There's a real problem with putting he electronics into that film area; that's a lot of electronics to put into a very small space, which leads to heat problems. So, the camera will be slow (to keep heat down), and have a very small buffer (same reason). Then, the battery compartment will require a proprietary battery (no AAs), which will turn a lot of people off right away. Plus, where to put the memory card? It's been tried: http://www.side.com/ -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
Rich writes:
Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" http://bythom.com/2005dreamdslrs.htm discusses a hypothetical "FM3D" with manual focus and a 6mp -monochrome- CCD sensor using Zone System metering. |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:48:51 -0700, Bill Funk
wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:12:48 -0500, Rich wrote: I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. Sensor dirty? Just open the back up and clean it easily. No messing around with myriad silly controls and menus, just basic, auto or manual control. Film area becomes the battery compartment on the left, electronics go in the right film compartment. Mirror is the same, shutter is the same. Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" -Rich There's a real problem with putting he electronics into that film area; that's a lot of electronics to put into a very small space, which leads to heat problems. So, the camera will be slow (to keep heat down), and have a very small buffer (same reason). Then, the battery compartment will require a proprietary battery (no AAs), which will turn a lot of people off right away. Plus, where to put the memory card? It's been tried: http://www.side.com/ I personally hate AA batteries, I'd had enough using four of them in my old Olympus C-3040. Give me ONE proprietary battery anytime. As for the digital backs, you are right, there are some pretty insurmountable obstacles to overcome to do this right. But as for heat, perhaps the American ideal of the digital camera is not so good? Black cameras (the majority on the American market in the prosumer DSLR side) tend to absorb far more heat than silver ones. Carry a black DSLR around in the sun for awhile and you can feel how hot it gets. This causes noise levels to rise substantially, as does cooling a camera causes noise levels to drop. Maybe (despite its appearance) the silver Rebel XT is the best idea? But then the plastic body must also act as an insulator, not allowing heat to escape like a metal body would. -Rich |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
"Rich" wrote in message ... I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. Sensor dirty? Since volume helps get the price down, count me in too. I love the feel of my OM-2. |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:12:48 -0500, Rich wrote:
I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. I'll pass, thanks. Why have the worst of both worlds? I don't have anything against "going retro." While I don't own an OM-1n or an FE-2, I do own and shoot a Nikon FA. But you can use even the most sophisticated modern dSLR exactly in the manner you envision, without ever touching a menu setting. Among the engineering challenges I see: -- The digital back would require an active component to detect shutter activation, so it would know when to start and stop recording. -- There'd have to be some sort of hacked together electro-mechanical system to prevent firing the shutter when the digital back wasn't ready to record. -- You'd also have a "split brain" problem with the ISO speed, requiring setting it both on the camera and the body. -- Metering would be limited to 1980's technology. Chances are that TTL flash metering wouldn't work, even on an FE-2, due to the different reflectivity characteristics of the sensor. -- General issues of dust and sealing. If you have to open the back to change a battery, or swap memory cards, won't that expose the sensor? Not that people haven't thought of this before. In fact, a company by the name of Voyager One holds patents on this very invention, which it acquired from a company named Silicon Film. According to their last Edgar filing, that company has lost over 6 million dollars since inception, has current assets of $1000, current liabilities of $2.67 million, and has yet to produce any revenue at all, whether from product sales or patent royalties. They do own the domain name side.com, though, which probably has some real value. See: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=VYGO.OB -- Michael Benveniste -- Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:55:19 -0700, Bill Funk
wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:21:04 -0500, Rich wrote: There's a real problem with putting he electronics into that film area; that's a lot of electronics to put into a very small space, which leads to heat problems. So, the camera will be slow (to keep heat down), and have a very small buffer (same reason). Then, the battery compartment will require a proprietary battery (no AAs), which will turn a lot of people off right away. Plus, where to put the memory card? It's been tried: http://www.side.com/ I personally hate AA batteries, I'd had enough using four of them in my old Olympus C-3040. Give me ONE proprietary battery anytime. As for the digital backs, you are right, there are some pretty insurmountable obstacles to overcome to do this right. AAs ar eliked by a lot of people. Personally, I don't much care. But that's me. When I travel, I take our POV. I don't fly. I have lots of carrying capacity, so multiple chargers don't bother me. But as for heat, perhaps the American ideal of the digital camera is not so good? Black cameras (the majority on the American market in the prosumer DSLR side) tend to absorb far more heat than silver ones. Carry a black DSLR around in the sun for awhile and you can feel how hot it gets. This causes noise levels to rise substantially, as does cooling a camera causes noise levels to drop. Maybe (despite its appearance) the silver Rebel XT is the best idea? But then the plastic body must also act as an insulator, not allowing heat to escape like a metal body would. -Rich My DRebel is silver, and I don't think anyone thinks about it one way or the other. But yes, a black camera will be hotter, especially here in Phoenix in the summer. A 20 deg. change in camera temp will produce a visible difference in noise levels at higher ISO speeds anyway. If you are out in the winter (in the north of course) and the temp of the camera drops to near freezing, noise can drop by (subjectively) half of what it is at 70 deg. F. Thats why astronomers who take long exposures use electro-mechanical coolers and liquid nitrogen on their CCDs. -Rich |
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Admit it; You'd like a Nikon FE-2 with a digital back
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:21:04 -0500, Rich wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:48:51 -0700, Bill Funk wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:12:48 -0500, Rich wrote: I'd like an Olympus OM-1n with one. Sensor dirty? Just open the back up and clean it easily. No messing around with myriad silly controls and menus, just basic, auto or manual control. Film area becomes the battery compartment on the left, electronics go in the right film compartment. Mirror is the same, shutter is the same. Meanwhile, fully metal, beautifully made reconstructed SLRs become replacements for all the plastic entry-level DSLRs, for enthusiasts of course. Why should only cars being going "retro?" -Rich There's a real problem with putting he electronics into that film area; that's a lot of electronics to put into a very small space, which leads to heat problems. So, the camera will be slow (to keep heat down), and have a very small buffer (same reason). Then, the battery compartment will require a proprietary battery (no AAs), which will turn a lot of people off right away. Plus, where to put the memory card? It's been tried: http://www.side.com/ I personally hate AA batteries, I'd had enough using four of them in my old Olympus C-3040. Give me ONE proprietary battery anytime. As for the digital backs, you are right, there are some pretty insurmountable obstacles to overcome to do this right. But as for heat, perhaps the American ideal of the digital camera is not so good? Black cameras (the majority on the American market in the prosumer DSLR side) tend to absorb far more heat than silver ones. Carry a black DSLR around in the sun for awhile and you can feel how hot it gets. Of course the real reason it feels hot is because it is better able to radiate all that heat back out into the open air. I promise you if you left 2 cameras of the same model one black one silver the internals of both will be at air ambient temperature with a couple of seconds of each other. This causes noise levels to rise substantially, as does cooling a camera causes noise levels to drop. Maybe (despite its appearance) the silver Rebel XT is the best idea? But then the plastic body must also act as an insulator, not allowing heat to escape like a metal body would. But if its a better insulator surely it will not get so hot inside in the first place! -Rich |
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