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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
In article , PeterN
wrote: the point is that file sharing between computers does not need anything more than enabling it on at least one and then connecting from another. some systems make it more complex than it needs to be, something you're finding out. It took me about five minutes to set up file sharing between my Win7 and Win 10 machines, over my home network. All I did was RTFM. no need for an fm. click a box to enable and click another button to browse. meanwhile, it took eric the better part of a week, and i don't think he has it working the way he would like, if it's working at all. why don't you fix it for him? |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:06:31 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? replace/refresh what? also, replace & refresh mean different things, so what exactly are you asking? keep in mind that a nas can be a computer with file sharing enabled (along with whatever else) and one or more drives. it doesn't have to be a nas box such as synology or qnap. there are advantages to each. I didn't ask you for a definition of 'NAS', a term which you introduced to this discussion. I was wanting to know "how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS?" To explain the term 'refresh' to you, it comes from Alan Browne's use of the word in: ----------------------------------- tl;dr discs are *not* archival. That's why I refresh them every 5 - 6 years. ------------------------------------ .... which I took to mean he replaced them because they had come to the end of their reliable life. The same problem, although from different causes, must occur with NAS storage. Software may become obsolete or hardware become old and unreliable: there must come a time when it is best to replace the NAS with a new one. Hence my serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:06:33 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads? You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the rules by which they work. one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to the store. You do if the car is in bits or doesn't go. no. either you call for service or find alternate means. OK. You can also engage a knowledgable person to play chess, bridge or cricket on your behalf. given how well i play chess or cricket, that's what i would do I presume thats because you find chess and cricket to be a problem. A hundred years ago people who didn't know how to drive a car engaged a chauffer. they do that now with uber, lyft, taxicabs, bike rentals, scooters, public transportation (bus, subway & rail) and other options. not that any of that has anything to do with file sharing. the point is that file sharing between computers does not need anything more than enabling it on at least one and then connecting from another. some systems make it more complex than it needs to be, something you're finding out. I've known it for years. This is the first time since Windows 3.5 that I have had the same operating system on two computers. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 19:11:56 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 11/1/2018 7:06 PM, nospam wrote: Snip the point is that file sharing between computers does not need anything more than enabling it on at least one and then connecting from another. some systems make it more complex than it needs to be, something you're finding out. It took me about five minutes to set up file sharing between my Win7 and Win 10 machines, over my home network. All I did was RTFM. 1) Did you actually get one? 2) Was it still the same as the user interface and operating system by the time you got it? My trouble is that I have never succeeded in identifying a book that contains information at the system level I require. Even if I had, going by what's on the Internet, the details of the user interface given in the instructions would no longer be the same as the current version of the OS. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 03:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote: On Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:37:13 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:07:03 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Do you play chess? bridge? cricket? Do you drive a car on the roads? You will find that each of those is a problem unless you know the rules by which they work. one does *not* need to know how to build or repair cars to drive one to the store. You do if the car is in bits or doesn't go. no. either you call for service or find alternate means. OK. You can also engage a knowledgable person to play chess, bridge or cricket on your behalf. A hundred years ago people who didn't know how to drive a car engaged a chauffer. People still do hire chauffers, wedding, funerals, parties, you might also have noticed and service called cabs or taxis, people don't always use such things because they can't drive. So people who can't drive are a sub-class of people who hire chauffers or taxis. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? replace/refresh what? also, replace & refresh mean different things, so what exactly are you asking? keep in mind that a nas can be a computer with file sharing enabled (along with whatever else) and one or more drives. it doesn't have to be a nas box such as synology or qnap. there are advantages to each. I didn't ask you for a definition of 'NAS', a term which you introduced to this discussion. I was wanting to know "how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS?" a question which is unclear and doesn't make much sense. To explain the term 'refresh' to you, it comes from Alan Browne's use of the word in: ----------------------------------- tl;dr discs are *not* archival. That's why I refresh them every 5 - 6 years. ------------------------------------ ... which I took to mean he replaced them because they had come to the end of their reliable life. optical discs degrade and will eventually become unreadable much faster than hard drives, while sitting unused on a shelf. The same problem, although from different causes, must occur with NAS storage. of course. nothing lasts forever. Software may become obsolete or hardware become old and unreliable: there must come a time when it is best to replace the NAS with a new one. Hence my serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? again, replace & refresh mean different things. in any event, how often do you replace/refresh hard drives in your laptop or desktop computer? how often do you replace/refresh the computer itself? how heavily do you use the computer? how much down time can you tolerate if there's a problem? nas hardware is mostly the same (sometimes exactly the same) as a desktop computer, just optimized for a different use case. tl;dr there is no single answer. |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: the point is that file sharing between computers does not need anything more than enabling it on at least one and then connecting from another. some systems make it more complex than it needs to be, something you're finding out. I've known it for years. This is the first time since Windows 3.5 that I have had the same operating system on two computers. having the same system on both doesn't matter. what matters is if they speak the same protocols, which if both are the same, should greatly simplify things. |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 21:31:27 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? replace/refresh what? also, replace & refresh mean different things, so what exactly are you asking? keep in mind that a nas can be a computer with file sharing enabled (along with whatever else) and one or more drives. it doesn't have to be a nas box such as synology or qnap. there are advantages to each. I didn't ask you for a definition of 'NAS', a term which you introduced to this discussion. I was wanting to know "how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS?" a question which is unclear and doesn't make much sense. To explain the term 'refresh' to you, it comes from Alan Browne's use of the word in: ----------------------------------- tl;dr discs are *not* archival. That's why I refresh them every 5 - 6 years. ------------------------------------ ... which I took to mean he replaced them because they had come to the end of their reliable life. optical discs degrade and will eventually become unreadable much faster than hard drives, while sitting unused on a shelf. The same problem, although from different causes, must occur with NAS storage. of course. nothing lasts forever. Software may become obsolete or hardware become old and unreliable: there must come a time when it is best to replace the NAS with a new one. Hence my serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? again, replace & refresh mean different things. in any event, how often do you replace/refresh hard drives in your laptop or desktop computer? how often do you replace/refresh the computer itself? how heavily do you use the computer? how much down time can you tolerate if there's a problem? nas hardware is mostly the same (sometimes exactly the same) as a desktop computer, just optimized for a different use case. tl;dr there is no single answer. Now in previous discussions you have told us the economic life of a PC is about 3 years and of Apple about 5 years. That means the life expectancy of a NAS will be about the same as that of a CD disc or similar. At that time you will be looking to either replace it or, at the least, install new drives. You may prolong its life by fitting new drives but I doubt if you would do that a second time. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
On 11/2/18 9:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? replace/refresh what? also, replace & refresh mean different things, so what exactly are you asking? keep in mind that a nas can be a computer with file sharing enabled (along with whatever else) and one or more drives. it doesn't have to be a nas box such as synology or qnap. there are advantages to each. I didn't ask you for a definition of 'NAS', a term which you introduced to this discussion. I was wanting to know "how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS?" a question which is unclear and doesn't make much sense. To explain the term 'refresh' to you, it comes from Alan Browne's use of the word in: ----------------------------------- tl;dr discs are *not* archival. That's why I refresh them every 5 - 6 years. ------------------------------------ ... which I took to mean he replaced them because they had come to the end of their reliable life. optical discs degrade and will eventually become unreadable much faster than hard drives, while sitting unused on a shelf. The same problem, although from different causes, must occur with NAS storage. of course. nothing lasts forever. Software may become obsolete or hardware become old and unreliable: there must come a time when it is best to replace the NAS with a new one. Hence my serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? again, replace & refresh mean different things. in any event, how often do you replace/refresh hard drives in your laptop or desktop computer? how often do you replace/refresh the computer itself? how heavily do you use the computer? how much down time can you tolerate if there's a problem? nas hardware is mostly the same (sometimes exactly the same) as a desktop computer, just optimized for a different use case. tl;dr there is no single answer. https://www.extremetech.com/computin...ually-live-for Summarizing this 2013 cite, an online backup company called "Backblaze" analyzed the failure rate of their 25,000 consumer-grade drives. They found three "failure phases": the first 1.5 years, 5% fail due to manufacturing defects. The next 1.5 years, 1.5% fail randomly. After 3 years, 12% fail from wear. (I've done slight rounding.) https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-...tats-for-2017/ The same company presents stats from last year, breaking out brands and sizes. I didn't do the math, but at a glance, it looks like their 2013 data is still pretty close for the first two failure phases, while the third (wearing out) has improved somewhat. Summarizing, nospam is right: "there is no single answer", but the prudent individual would start seriously shopping for a new drive at four years. -- Ken Hart |
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Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Software may become obsolete or hardware become old and unreliable: there must come a time when it is best to replace the NAS with a new one. Hence my serious question: how often would you expect to have to replace (i.e. refresh) a NAS? again, replace & refresh mean different things. in any event, how often do you replace/refresh hard drives in your laptop or desktop computer? how often do you replace/refresh the computer itself? how heavily do you use the computer? how much down time can you tolerate if there's a problem? nas hardware is mostly the same (sometimes exactly the same) as a desktop computer, just optimized for a different use case. tl;dr there is no single answer. Now in previous discussions you have told us the economic life of a PC is about 3 years and of Apple about 5 years. That means the life expectancy of a NAS will be about the same as that of a CD disc or similar. nope. a nas has a very different use case than a desktop/laptop computer. a nas sharing files does not need to run the latest version of photoshop or whatever else, nor does it need a fancy gpu, so as long as the hardware continues to work, there's not a pressing need to replace it. At that time you will be looking to either replace it or, at the least, install new drives. You may prolong its life by fitting new drives but I doubt if you would do that a second time. also wrong. |
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