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Beer with me
In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar usually orders the same
brand each time. He will settle on some brand - Bud, Michelob, Coors, Samuel Adams, etc - and stick with it. He may try a craft beer once in a while, or change brands if his brand isn't available, but most beer drinkers are loyal to a brand. I just finished a Peter Robinson "Inspector Banks" novel ("Sleeping in the Ground") and noticed something a bit different. Banks frequently meets with his cohorts in some pub in Yorkshire to discuss a case. All pubs are in the same general area and often it's the same pub as another quote. The following are his choices: "...ordered a pint of Sneck Lifter..." "...bought a pint of Timothy Taylor Landlord's Bitter..." "...sipping his pint of Daleside bitter..." "...went for pints of Black Sheep bitter..." "...ordered a pint of Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter..." "...ordered a couple of pints of lager..." (Yes, the possessives are different in the two quotes from the book for Timothy Taylor) I don't normally get diverted by anomalies like this, but these jumped out at me. No conclusions drawn, but I thought it was interesting. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. I posted to the wrong group. Sorry about that. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. alvey |
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:03:13 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It's difficult to find a bad one. On one trip I was (mostly) there for 3 months and set a goal of trying 100 different beers. Made it to 97 and only had two that were ****e; Wandsworth 6X and something that I can't recall but do remember returning it orally to where I suspect it originated, the Shipping Canal in Manchester. I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Ditto Australia. Plus full of bogans. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. Yep. Great life-style, especially in summer. As they say; Cheers. alvey |
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On 09/11/2018 03:23, alvey wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:03:13 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It's difficult to find a bad one. On one trip I was (mostly) there for 3 months and set a goal of trying 100 different beers. Made it to 97 and only had two that were ****e; Wandsworth 6X and something that I can't recall but do remember returning it orally to where I suspect it originated, the Shipping Canal in Manchester. A complication for the UK beer drinker is that the *proper* draught stuff is unpasturised and un-filtered, so that there is much more chance of infections causing "off" flavours if either the brewery or the pub landlord are not sufficiently careful. This also means that unless a pub has sufficient turnover, you may well get a pint that is past its best even if it hasn't reached the stage of having a detectable vinegar aroma. When I started drinking 50-odd years ago, if three or four lads went into a pub, even their "local", they would each start with a half of something different, to decide which was the best on the day. Visiting a strange pub, the experienced drinker will try to figure out what the locals are drinking before ordering. It's not wise to ask the landlord what he recommends, because that will often be a barrel that is moving slowly. In the old days, a bad pint of Wadworth's 6X was virtually unknown, because it was produced by a relatively small Somerset brewery and not shipped very far. Now it is produced by one of the big brewers, and afficionados do not consider it to be the same thing. I still fondly remember my first pint of 6X, not least because the landlord actually apologised because it was "from the wood", this being in the days when "keg" beer (i.e. pasturised and filtered and shipped in metal barrels) was considered modern. I think there is less "bad beer" around now than there was "back then" because standards have risen. But I'd still consider about one pint in ten to be unsatisfactory. Less beer is being drunk too. In the old days many breweries would deliver to their local pubs in 36 gallon barrels, and these would be drunk in a couple of days. Now, you only sometimes find "18s" and a lot of beer is delivered in "9s". (These used to be known as a barrel, a kilderkin, and a firkin respectively). The English gallon is of course larger than the American one, at 4.6 litres. |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I suspect it depends on what pub you’re frequenting, even in the US.. While choice/varietycan be pretty slim in some venues (I hesitate to suggest the “Honest Dive Bar” stereotype, but...), the microbrew scene is no longer an obscure, impossibly hard to find niche. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. It’s even more so in Belgium. Try running the beer menu at the Delirium Cafe in Brussels :-) When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It’s useful to try different styles to learn what you like, as well as to have some “old reliable” choices, but the simple answer is be willing to be adventurous, as you’ll only have two kinds of beers in your life: those you remember (very good and very bad) and those you don’t (all the rest). Personally, I’m usually game to try the local draft, whatever it be, to start to learn (& experience) a region. The mass market brands in the US do tend to dampen this, particularly in small basic establishments that just have the Lite beer from the three major brands, and Bud... I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. Indeed. Many places have gone to the big blaring TV sets on the walls blasting pro sports. No longer a place to just sit & talk. |
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On Nov 8, 2018, hh wrote
(in ): Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I suspect it depends on what pub you’re frequenting, even in the US. While choice/varietycan be pretty slim in some venues (I hesitate to suggest the “Honest Dive Bar” stereotype, but...), the microbrew scene is no longer an obscure, impossibly hard to find niche. Even here in sleepy Paso Robles we have a few places which I would hesitate to label as “dive bar” but certainly have a bigger selection than bud, Michelob, or Coors. http://www.pasoroblesbeer.com/on-tap I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. It’s even more so in Belgium. Try running the beer menu at the Delirium Cafe in Brussels :-) When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It’s useful to try different styles to learn what you like, as well as to have some “old reliable” choices, but the simple answer is be willing to be adventurous, as you’ll only have two kinds of beers in your life: those you remember (very good and very bad) and those you don’t (all the rest). Personally, I’m usually game to try the local draft, whatever it be, to start to learn (& experience) a region. The mass market brands in the US do tend to dampen this, particularly in small basic establishments that just have the Lite beer from the three major brands, and Bud... I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. Indeed. Many places have gone to the big blaring TV sets on the walls blasting pro sports. No longer a place to just sit & talk. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:26:43 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote: Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I suspect it depends on what pub youre frequenting, even in the US. While choice/varietycan be pretty slim in some venues (I hesitate to suggest the Honest Dive Bar stereotype, but...), the microbrew scene is no longer an obscure, impossibly hard to find niche. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. Its even more so in Belgium. Try running the beer menu at the Delirium Cafe in Brussels :-) When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. Its useful to try different styles to learn what you like, as well as to have some old reliable choices, but the simple answer is be willing to be adventurous, as youll only have two kinds of beers in your life: those you remember (very good and very bad) and those you dont (all the rest). Personally, Im usually game to try the local draft, whatever it be, to start to learn (& experience) a region. The mass market brands in the US do tend to dampen this, particularly in small basic establishments that just have the Lite beer from the three major brands, and Bud... Lite beer and Twitter are two harbingers of the Apocalypse that is to come. Anheuser-Busch did the seemingly impossible. They came up with the world's worst beer - Budweiser - and made it even worse: Bud Light. I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. Indeed. Many places have gone to the big blaring TV sets on the walls blasting pro sports. No longer a place to just sit & talk. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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On 09/11/2018 03:03, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. Yes, although pubs have been taking a hit for some years now with many closures - especially in London. There's been a drive towards chain pubs - they do some marvellous things with old buildings (especially banks now they're no longer needed in the same way), but the quality and atmosphere is what you might expect with cheap beer. Where I live (Sheffield, S. Yorkshire) there's still a good selection - maybe 6 decent pubs within 10 minutes walk for me. I generally stick to the one I like - I prefer 'malty' but there's a recent trend towards 'hoppy' - it's very rare that I can't find a beer I like. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It's entirely acceptable to ask for a taste before you buy. I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. Generally I'd agree - not had that much experience of US bars though, and my London experience (having lived there 20 years) is not especially good. -- Cheers, Rob |
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