Nursing camera batteries?

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

discharging them fully is a very bad idea, although they're cheap
enough to where it's not worth worrying about.

I was probably not very clear. I meant removing them when the camera
stops working, I'd hope modern cameras stop at an appropriate point.

i didn't mean discharge to zero, and they do stop ahead of that.

the point is that lion batteries will last longer with many partial
discharges than fewer deep discharges.

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:29:24 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

discharging them fully is a very bad idea, although they're cheap
enough to where it's not worth worrying about.

I was probably not very clear. I meant removing them when the camera
stops working, I'd hope modern cameras stop at an appropriate point.

i didn't mean discharge to zero, and they do stop ahead of that.

the point is that lion batteries will last longer with many partial
discharges than fewer deep discharges.

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

So, what practice do you follow? Do you never fully discharge your
batteries or do you preiodically fully discharge them?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

discharging them fully is a very bad idea, although they're cheap
enough to where it's not worth worrying about.

I was probably not very clear. I meant removing them when the camera
stops working, I'd hope modern cameras stop at an appropriate point.

i didn't mean discharge to zero, and they do stop ahead of that.

the point is that lion batteries will last longer with many partial
discharges than fewer deep discharges.

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

So, what practice do you follow? Do you never fully discharge your
batteries or do you preiodically fully discharge them?

this is not about me.

diversion attempt fail.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:29:10 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

discharging them fully is a very bad idea, although they're cheap
enough to where it's not worth worrying about.

I was probably not very clear. I meant removing them when the camera
stops working, I'd hope modern cameras stop at an appropriate point.

i didn't mean discharge to zero, and they do stop ahead of that.

the point is that lion batteries will last longer with many partial
discharges than fewer deep discharges.

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

So, what practice do you follow? Do you never fully discharge your
batteries or do you preiodically fully discharge them?

this is not about me.

diversion attempt fail.

It was not an attempted diversion. It was an attempt to get your
advice.

Never mind ...
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

discharging them fully is a very bad idea, although they're
cheap
enough to where it's not worth worrying about.

I was probably not very clear. I meant removing them when the
camera
stops working, I'd hope modern cameras stop at an appropriate
point.

i didn't mean discharge to zero, and they do stop ahead of that.

the point is that lion batteries will last longer with many partial
discharges than fewer deep discharges.

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

So, what practice do you follow? Do you never fully discharge your
batteries or do you preiodically fully discharge them?

this is not about me.

diversion attempt fail.

It was not an attempted diversion. It was an attempt to get your
advice.

which was already given and you obviously did not read.
it's also not my advice either, but that of battery technology itself.

Never mind ...

yep.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:11:28 -0500, nospam
wrote:

--- snip ---

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

So, what practice do you follow? Do you never fully discharge your
batteries or do you preiodically fully discharge them?

this is not about me.

diversion attempt fail.

It was not an attempted diversion. It was an attempt to get your
advice.

which was already given and you obviously did not read.
it's also not my advice either, but that of battery technology itself.

Never mind ...

yep.

And the advice of device manufacturers is that for the sake of the
battery management it is necessary to run the battery down to zero
from time to time. It's not possible to fully reconcile the two
requirements. How should this conflict be dealt with?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

And the advice of device manufacturers is that for the sake of the
battery management it is necessary to run the battery down to zero
from time to time. It's not possible to fully reconcile the two
requirements. How should this conflict be dealt with?

it's not a conflict, thus nothing to reconcile.

On 1/22/2019 7:43 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:11:28 -0500, nospam
wrote:

--- snip ---

I have recently read, in conjunction with suspected battery problems
on a third generation iPad, that it is desirable to discharge to zero
once a month or so. The explanation is that it allows battery
management system in the iPad to recalibrate itself. The explanatikon
was minimal and I didn't understand it. Does it make sense, even if
only in terms of iPads?

it makes sense. what part did you not understand?

The part where it contradicts your advice "discharging them fully is a
very bad idea... "

it doesn't contradict it at all.

add that to the list of things you don't understand.

So, what practice do you follow? Do you never fully discharge your
batteries or do you preiodically fully discharge them?

this is not about me.

diversion attempt fail.

It was not an attempted diversion. It was an attempt to get your
advice.

which was already given and you obviously did not read.
it's also not my advice either, but that of battery technology itself.

Never mind ...

yep.

And the advice of device manufacturers is that for the sake of the
battery management it is necessary to run the battery down to zero
from time to time. It's not possible to fully reconcile the two
requirements. How should this conflict be dealt with?


If you are talking about NiMH, Since they do not have memory, you can
top them off for everyday purposes. However if you do a deep discharge a
d recharge once in a while, it will prolong the life of the batteries.

--
PeterN

In article , PeterN
wrote:


And the advice of device manufacturers is that for the sake of the
battery management it is necessary to run the battery down to zero
from time to time. It's not possible to fully reconcile the two
requirements. How should this conflict be dealt with?


If you are talking about NiMH,

lion

Since they do not have memory, you can
top them off for everyday purposes. However if you do a deep discharge a
d recharge once in a while, it will prolong the life of the batteries.

no

every cycle wears it down a little.

On 20/01/2019 22:04, wrote:
Alkalines are so cheap and readily available, that I don't bother with
any rechargable stuff. Also greater capacity so less trouble.


In the UK, a decent NiMH low drain rechargeable is about 10x the price
of a disposable for say 2000MaH. 1.2V for rechargeable, which affects
comparisons - I've not found it an issue in use.

Worth it to me, plus the relatively low waste. Although not of much
relevance to cameras nowadays ;-)

--
Cheers, Rob