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Old May 21st 09, 11:17 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...
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Old May 22nd 09, 02:55 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alan Meyer
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
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Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...


My understanding is that CompactFlash requires more on-chip
functionality and a more expensive physical interface (i.e. more
pins and real pins rather than just connection strips.) It's also
physically bigger. It all adds up to more cost.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_memory_cards

The bibliography at the bottom of the page has links to the
full hardware/software specifications for many of the card
technologies.

Alan


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Old May 22nd 09, 03:00 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J. Littleboy
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"Alfred Molon" wrote:

Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...


My first dcams were Sony (S85 and F707) which use the far superior memory
stick; I've always thought the pins that CF uses are a disaster asking to
happen. A bit of dust on the connector, and your camera needs a trip to the
mfr. I've seen lots of bent pins in that sort of connector in the past.

So maybe this is good news.

(Our CEO just bought a portable DVD player, and it has an SD card slot, so
it does seem that SD is winning.)

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Old May 22nd 09, 07:36 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J Taylor[_11_]
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David J. Littleboy wrote:
"Alfred Molon" wrote:

Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...


My first dcams were Sony (S85 and F707) which use the far superior
memory stick; I've always thought the pins that CF uses are a
disaster asking to happen. A bit of dust on the connector, and your
camera needs a trip to the mfr. I've seen lots of bent pins in that
sort of connector in the past.
So maybe this is good news.

(Our CEO just bought a portable DVD player, and it has an SD card
slot, so it does seem that SD is winning.)


SD has been winning for the last several years, David. I get the
impression that CF is now a niche product - restricted to higher end,
so-called "professional" DSLRs.

Just be thankful that it's not micro-SD which has won! Too many lost
cards then. G

David

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Old May 22nd 09, 12:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
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Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...
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Guess I'd better stock up now. I just bought the Canon 50d, and I was
surprised to see that it still takes compact flash.

CF cards are the perfect size for us older folks with fumble fingers. SD
cards are pushing the limit, and those damn microSD things (my cellphone
uses them) are flat-out ridiculous. There's no doubt that we could have
memory cards in even smaller sizes, but the limiting factor is and always
will be the human hand.

dwight


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Old May 22nd 09, 02:06 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bertram Paul
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
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Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...
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Alfred Molon
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I hope they'll keep doing that. CF cards are very bad with connections. I
had two readers of which a few pins were broken: toss and throw away.
Much to expensive too compared with SD cards.

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Old May 22nd 09, 02:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Bertram Paul wrote:
"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
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Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...
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Alfred Molon
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I hope they'll keep doing that. CF cards are very bad with connections. I
had two readers of which a few pins were broken: toss and throw away.
Much to expensive too compared with SD cards.

I had CF cards on my first digital. I never had problems with the pins
on either the camera, or card reader. The key is not to force anything.
Also, if the camera/card reader is properly designed, it would be
impossible to insert the card improperly. The only other reason pins
get damaged is foreign matter in the slot. I now have a camera (and
other devices) with SD card slots, and aside from the smaller size of
the SD card (which I don't see as an advantage), they work just as well.
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Old May 22nd 09, 03:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Jürgen Exner
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"David J Taylor"
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David J. Littleboy wrote:
"Alfred Molon" wrote:

Seems more and more DSLR manufacturers are switching to SD cards...


SD has been winning for the last several years, David. I get the
impression that CF is now a niche product - restricted to higher end,
so-called "professional" DSLRs.


On the other hand the SD consortium made some other very foolish design
decisions. Remember that SD is limited to 2GB and SDHC to 32GB.
As card capacity is quickly approaching that limit we are in for another
round of "HELP, my card reader can't read my SD card", just 4 years
after the previous war of confusion.

The brand new SDXC finally has some leeway with 2TB (maybe they got
smart finally?), but by spec it uses the proprietary exFAT, which means
you need to run a new Windows if you want to read what your camera
wrote. Maybe there will be a new exFAT drivers for Windows XP, maybe
ther won't. Mac users will probably be fine, too, because for sure Apple
is going to licence exFAT. But users of older OS's or free OS's will be
left in the dark unless someone manages to illegally reverse engineer
the exFAT format.

CF didn't and doesn't have those problems. It is 6 years older than SD
(CF was introduced in 1994) and was designed for 137GB capacity right
from the start, so the original design will be good for maybe another
3-5 years for a total live span of 20 years.

Compare that with SD, which had to be updated with a non-compatible
design change twice already after an average of just 4 years. I wonder
who is running the SD consortium. Must be marketing and sales, because
no engineer could possibly design a specification with a live limit of 4
years.

Other limitiations of SD like proprietary interface affects mostly
system designers (embedded systems, card reader manufacturers, ...) and
much less the photographing public.

jue
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Old May 22nd 09, 03:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Jürgen Exner
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Ron Hunter wrote:
I had CF cards on my first digital. I never had problems with the pins
on either the camera, or card reader. The key is not to force anything.
Also, if the camera/card reader is properly designed, it would be
impossible to insert the card improperly. The only other reason pins
get damaged is foreign matter in the slot. I now have a camera (and
other devices) with SD card slots, and aside from the smaller size of
the SD card (which I don't see as an advantage), they work just as well.


100% ACK.

jue
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Old May 22nd 09, 03:33 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J Taylor[_11_]
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Jürgen Exner wrote:
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On the other hand the SD consortium made some other very foolish
design decisions. Remember that SD is limited to 2GB and SDHC to 32GB.
As card capacity is quickly approaching that limit we are in for
another round of "HELP, my card reader can't read my SD card", just 4
years after the previous war of confusion.

[]
jue


Indeed, an unfortunate and confusing choice.

David

 




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