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  #11  
Old March 9th 15, 08:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
Sandman wrote:

In article , nospam wrote:

Sandman:
I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same
photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking.
Here are a few I've talked about in the past:


1. No auto-sync with cloud storage
2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos
3. No high dynamic range in curves
4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch
5. Slow to use and slow to import
6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support
7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF
8. Pretty cumbersome workflow
9. No support for face recognition
10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo


those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to
minor issues.


Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the
above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from
Adobe
yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing.

Sandman:
Might have missed some. But, having said that, here are some
positive things about Lightroom over Apertu


1. Far better noise reduction (not as good as DxO Optics, but good
enough) 2. "Clarity" is a lot better than "Definition" 3. Lens
correction built in, no need to use DxO Optics. 4. Support for
more publishing services via plugins, even if the UI is awful.


'awful ui' is subjective.


Well, of course.

far more people prefer lightroom's ui than they did aperture. that's
partly why aperture was a dud.


How do you figure? By the same logic, far more people prefer Windows UI than
the Mac UI and Windows is far superior than Macs. I just find this line of
thinking hard to swallow from a Mac user.

Just because Android and Windows is used far more than iPhone and Macs
doesn't
mean they have superior UI or that far more people think they do.

I'm sure some people think the Lightroom UI is better than Aperture, but I
would bet the reason why most people are using Lightroom is due to Aperture
not
being available to Windows users, and most people use Windows, so they had no
choice what so ever. For Mac users, some switched due to Aperture not being
updated enough, plus it's easier to use the same tool as your Windows
colleagues do, since there is a line of support.

Sandman:
OSX Photos, now in public beta, is no Aperture replacement. It's
hardly even a iPhoto replacement. We'll see how it matures, and
if it will truly have non- destructive plugins (which some have
claimed, but can't back up).


it slots between iphoto and aperture, exactly as intended.


No, it doesn't. It currently "slots" beneath iPhoto, lacking many features of
iPhoto. Perhaps when it's out of beta, it will close to iPhoto, but currently
it isn't.


Photos is to be an offering that supposed to reel Apple users into the
iMist services, me thinks. It's all 'bout the money... Dumdedumdedum!

You're the one that kept claiming that OSX Photos "looked a lot" like both
Aperture and Lightroom, when it's nowhere near either of them. You also said
that there was a big chance of OSX Photos leaving Lightroom "in the dust".
Well, that's not working out really well.

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  #12  
Old March 9th 15, 06:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Aperture to be removed from the Appstore

In article ,
Sandman wrote:

I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same
photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking.
Here are a few I've talked about in the past:


1. No auto-sync with cloud storage
2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos
3. No high dynamic range in curves
4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch
5. Slow to use and slow to import
6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support
7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF
8. Pretty cumbersome workflow
9. No support for face recognition
10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo


those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to
minor issues.


Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the
above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from
Adobe
yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing.


adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major
speed improvements, including import/export are coming.

Sandman:
Might have missed some. But, having said that, here are some
positive things about Lightroom over Apertu


1. Far better noise reduction (not as good as DxO Optics, but good
enough) 2. "Clarity" is a lot better than "Definition" 3. Lens
correction built in, no need to use DxO Optics. 4. Support for
more publishing services via plugins, even if the UI is awful.


'awful ui' is subjective.


Well, of course.


then it can't be included in your list.

far more people prefer lightroom's ui than they did aperture. that's
partly why aperture was a dud.


How do you figure?


adobe has said so.

By the same logic, far more people prefer Windows UI than
the Mac UI and Windows is far superior than Macs.


nope. more people use windows but that doesn't mean they prefer it.
most use it because that's what they're given. they aren't choosing it.

I just find this line of
thinking hard to swallow from a Mac user.


that's your problem.

Just because Android and Windows is used far more than iPhone and Macs
doesn't
mean they have superior UI or that far more people think they do.


that's also not the same thing.

this is about a choice of two apps on the same platform, not hardware
platforms.

I'm sure some people think the Lightroom UI is better than Aperture, but I
would bet the reason why most people are using Lightroom is due to Aperture
not
being available to Windows users, and most people use Windows, so they had no
choice what so ever.


nope. this has nothing to do with windows users. stop moving the
goalpost.

For Mac users, some switched due to Aperture not being
updated enough, plus it's easier to use the same tool as your Windows
colleagues do, since there is a line of support.


lightroom has always held the lead over aperture.

Sandman:
OSX Photos, now in public beta, is no Aperture replacement. It's
hardly even a iPhoto replacement. We'll see how it matures, and
if it will truly have non- destructive plugins (which some have
claimed, but can't back up).


it slots between iphoto and aperture, exactly as intended.


No, it doesn't. It currently "slots" beneath iPhoto, lacking many features of
iPhoto. Perhaps when it's out of beta, it will close to iPhoto, but currently
it isn't.


one key area in which it's ahead is speed. it's way the **** faster
than iphoto.

You're the one that kept claiming that OSX Photos "looked a lot" like both
Aperture and Lightroom, when it's nowhere near either of them. You also said
that there was a big chance of OSX Photos leaving Lightroom "in the dust".
Well, that's not working out really well.


eventually. it's not done yet.
  #13  
Old March 9th 15, 06:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-03-09 17:21:24 +0000, nospam said:

In article ,
Sandman wrote:

I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same
photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking.
Here are a few I've talked about in the past:

1. No auto-sync with cloud storage
2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos
3. No high dynamic range in curves
4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch
5. Slow to use and slow to import
6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support
7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF
8. Pretty cumbersome workflow
9. No support for face recognition
10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo

those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to
minor issues.


Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the
above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from
Adobe
yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing.


adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major
speed improvements, including import/export are coming.


Who cares about facial recognition?
I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now.

Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now.
....but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook,
Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard
feature.


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Old March 9th 15, 09:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Aperture to be removed from the Appstore

Savageduck:
Who cares about facial recognition?
I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now.


People who find Lr to be slow ought to look at their systems. It's
plenty fast on a multi-core iMac with 32GB of RAM.

Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now.


No problem with that, either.

...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook,
Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard
feature.


Lr is a professional application and has no need for kiddie stuff like
FB or Twitter export.

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  #15  
Old March 9th 15, 09:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Aperture to be removed from the Appstore

On 2015-03-09 20:27:32 +0000, Davoud said:

Savageduck:
Who cares about facial recognition?
I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now.


People who find Lr to be slow ought to look at their systems. It's
plenty fast on a multi-core iMac with 32GB of RAM.


I am running my Mac with 16GB and I have never had a speed issue.

Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now.


No problem with that, either.

...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook,
Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard
feature.


Lr is a professional application and has no need for kiddie stuff like
FB or Twitter export.


....and for those who want that social media stuff there are third party
plug-ins, just as various photosharing sites have their export plug-ins
for Adobe software.


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Savageduck

  #16  
Old March 9th 15, 10:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Aperture to be removed from the Appstore

On 2015-03-09 21:21:00 +0000, nospam said:

In article ,
Savageduck wrote:


Check the clock on your computer, it is off by 14 hours.


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  #17  
Old March 9th 15, 10:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Aperture to be removed from the Appstore

In article ,
Savageduck wrote:

adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major
speed improvements, including import/export are coming.


Who cares about facial recognition?


those who take photos of people.

it's *extremely* useful.

I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now.


as it does for everyone, but it's going to be even faster for some
things.

Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now.
...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook,
Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard
feature.


yep. there are no issues with its speed, but they have added speed
improvements anyway.
  #18  
Old March 9th 15, 10:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Aperture to be removed from the Appstore

In article ,
Savageduck wrote:

Check the clock on your computer, it is off by 14 hours.


the clock is fine, it's a bug, where my newsreader caches the time zone
(something apple's finder does too). relaunching fixes it.
  #19  
Old March 10th 15, 09:13 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , nospam wrote:

Sandman:
I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the
same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely
lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past:

1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to
automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in
curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are
videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6. Poor
Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF
8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face
recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version
of photo

nospam:
those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom
6 to minor issues.


Sandman:
Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure
what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any
official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being rumored
are things like content-aware editing.


adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading,
major speed improvements, including import/export are coming.


blogs.adobe.com is having DB issues right now so I can't confirm this.

Sandman:
Might have missed some. But, having said that, here
are some positive things about Lightroom over Apertu

1. Far better noise reduction (not as good as DxO Optics, but
good enough) 2. "Clarity" is a lot better than "Definition" 3.
Lens correction built in, no need to use DxO Optics. 4.
Support for more publishing services via plugins, even if the
UI is awful.

nospam:
'awful ui' is subjective.


Sandman:
Well, of course.


then it can't be included in your list.


You mean the list labeled "Here are a few I've talked about in the past"? That
doesn't make any sense.

nospam:
far more people prefer lightroom's ui than they did aperture.
that's partly why aperture was a dud.


Sandman:
How do you figure?


adobe has said so.


And without a source, it's just more hot air.

Sandman:
By the same logic, far more people prefer Windows UI than the Mac
UI and Windows is far superior than Macs.


nope. more people use windows but that doesn't mean they prefer it.
most use it because that's what they're given. they aren't choosing
it.


I.e. just like with Lightroom, since Windows users doesn't have an alternative.
It's the exact same thing.

Sandman:
I just find this line of thinking hard to swallow from a Mac
user.


that's your problem.


Not so much of a problem for me.

Sandman:
Just because Android and Windows is used far more than iPhone and
Macs doesn't mean they have superior UI or that far more people
think they do.


that's also not the same thing.


It is.

this is about a choice of two apps on the same platform, not
hardware platforms.


No, Windows users could never choose Aperture. A smart phone buyer has more
choice in smart phone than a Windows user has for photo management apps.

Sandman:
I'm sure some people think the Lightroom UI is better than
Aperture, but I would bet the reason why most people are using
Lightroom is due to Aperture not being available to Windows
users, and most people use Windows, so they had no choice what so
ever.


nope. this has nothing to do with windows users. stop moving the
goalpost.


Of course it does. Stop moving the goalpost.

Sandman:
For Mac users, some switched due to Aperture not being updated
enough, plus it's easier to use the same tool as your Windows
colleagues do, since there is a line of support.


lightroom has always held the lead over aperture.


Thanks for sharing your personal opinion.

Sandman:
OSX Photos, now in public beta, is no Aperture
replacement. It's hardly even a iPhoto replacement. We'll see
how it matures, and if it will truly have non- destructive
plugins (which some have claimed, but can't back up).

nospam:
it slots between iphoto and aperture, exactly as intended.


Sandman:
No, it doesn't. It currently "slots" beneath iPhoto, lacking many
features of iPhoto. Perhaps when it's out of beta, it will close
to iPhoto, but currently it isn't.


one key area in which it's ahead is speed. it's way the **** faster
than iphoto.


Not really, no. I have 80k photos in iPhoto and it's blazing fast. Photos isn't
slow, but it's not faster than iPhoto. But, it's still in beta.

Sandman:
You're the one that kept claiming that OSX Photos "looked a lot"
like both Aperture and Lightroom, when it's nowhere near either
of them. You also said that there was a big chance of OSX Photos
leaving Lightroom "in the dust". Well, that's not working out
really well.


eventually. it's not done yet.


So it was intended to slot between iPhoto and Aperture while leaving Lightroom
in the dust? That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

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Old March 10th 15, 09:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Savageduck wrote:

I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the
same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely
lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past:

1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to
automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in
curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are
videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6.
Poor Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data
in EXIF 8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face
recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current
version of photo

those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in
lightroom 6 to minor issues.

Sandman:
Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure
what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been
any official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being
rumored are things like content-aware editing.


nospam:
adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading,
major speed improvements, including import/export are coming.


Who cares about facial recognition?


I do! "Faces" in Lightroom and Aperture is awesome. I have several smart albums
where the criteria is something like "favorite images of my daughter where
location is not at home" and things like that.

I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for
me now.


It's no slouch, but even the slightest wait from time to time adds up to a slow
interface, especially when you're used to the lightning speed of Aperture.

Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now.


They released a fix some months ago, but LR still halts when video files are in
the batch that I want to import, presumably trying to preview/index them or
something.

...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook,
Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard
feature.


Sure, if you don't use Facebook and Flickr, you wouldn't care. But in Aperture,
all your Flickr images are shown as a "smart" project, and you can move photo to
and from those albums just as any album in your library. It makes it really easy
to upload and manage your Flickr (and Facebook) photo albums.

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