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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
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Sandman wrote: In article , nospam wrote: Sandman: I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past: 1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF 8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to minor issues. Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing. Sandman: Might have missed some. But, having said that, here are some positive things about Lightroom over Apertu 1. Far better noise reduction (not as good as DxO Optics, but good enough) 2. "Clarity" is a lot better than "Definition" 3. Lens correction built in, no need to use DxO Optics. 4. Support for more publishing services via plugins, even if the UI is awful. 'awful ui' is subjective. Well, of course. far more people prefer lightroom's ui than they did aperture. that's partly why aperture was a dud. How do you figure? By the same logic, far more people prefer Windows UI than the Mac UI and Windows is far superior than Macs. I just find this line of thinking hard to swallow from a Mac user. Just because Android and Windows is used far more than iPhone and Macs doesn't mean they have superior UI or that far more people think they do. I'm sure some people think the Lightroom UI is better than Aperture, but I would bet the reason why most people are using Lightroom is due to Aperture not being available to Windows users, and most people use Windows, so they had no choice what so ever. For Mac users, some switched due to Aperture not being updated enough, plus it's easier to use the same tool as your Windows colleagues do, since there is a line of support. Sandman: OSX Photos, now in public beta, is no Aperture replacement. It's hardly even a iPhoto replacement. We'll see how it matures, and if it will truly have non- destructive plugins (which some have claimed, but can't back up). it slots between iphoto and aperture, exactly as intended. No, it doesn't. It currently "slots" beneath iPhoto, lacking many features of iPhoto. Perhaps when it's out of beta, it will close to iPhoto, but currently it isn't. Photos is to be an offering that supposed to reel Apple users into the iMist services, me thinks. It's all 'bout the money... Dumdedumdedum! You're the one that kept claiming that OSX Photos "looked a lot" like both Aperture and Lightroom, when it's nowhere near either of them. You also said that there was a big chance of OSX Photos leaving Lightroom "in the dust". Well, that's not working out really well. -- teleportation kills |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
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Sandman wrote: I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past: 1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF 8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to minor issues. Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing. adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major speed improvements, including import/export are coming. Sandman: Might have missed some. But, having said that, here are some positive things about Lightroom over Apertu 1. Far better noise reduction (not as good as DxO Optics, but good enough) 2. "Clarity" is a lot better than "Definition" 3. Lens correction built in, no need to use DxO Optics. 4. Support for more publishing services via plugins, even if the UI is awful. 'awful ui' is subjective. Well, of course. then it can't be included in your list. far more people prefer lightroom's ui than they did aperture. that's partly why aperture was a dud. How do you figure? adobe has said so. By the same logic, far more people prefer Windows UI than the Mac UI and Windows is far superior than Macs. nope. more people use windows but that doesn't mean they prefer it. most use it because that's what they're given. they aren't choosing it. I just find this line of thinking hard to swallow from a Mac user. that's your problem. Just because Android and Windows is used far more than iPhone and Macs doesn't mean they have superior UI or that far more people think they do. that's also not the same thing. this is about a choice of two apps on the same platform, not hardware platforms. I'm sure some people think the Lightroom UI is better than Aperture, but I would bet the reason why most people are using Lightroom is due to Aperture not being available to Windows users, and most people use Windows, so they had no choice what so ever. nope. this has nothing to do with windows users. stop moving the goalpost. For Mac users, some switched due to Aperture not being updated enough, plus it's easier to use the same tool as your Windows colleagues do, since there is a line of support. lightroom has always held the lead over aperture. Sandman: OSX Photos, now in public beta, is no Aperture replacement. It's hardly even a iPhoto replacement. We'll see how it matures, and if it will truly have non- destructive plugins (which some have claimed, but can't back up). it slots between iphoto and aperture, exactly as intended. No, it doesn't. It currently "slots" beneath iPhoto, lacking many features of iPhoto. Perhaps when it's out of beta, it will close to iPhoto, but currently it isn't. one key area in which it's ahead is speed. it's way the **** faster than iphoto. You're the one that kept claiming that OSX Photos "looked a lot" like both Aperture and Lightroom, when it's nowhere near either of them. You also said that there was a big chance of OSX Photos leaving Lightroom "in the dust". Well, that's not working out really well. eventually. it's not done yet. |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
On 2015-03-09 17:21:24 +0000, nospam said:
In article , Sandman wrote: I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past: 1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF 8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to minor issues. Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing. adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major speed improvements, including import/export are coming. Who cares about facial recognition? I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now. Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now. ....but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook, Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard feature. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
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Who cares about facial recognition? I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now. People who find Lr to be slow ought to look at their systems. It's plenty fast on a multi-core iMac with 32GB of RAM. Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now. No problem with that, either. ...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook, Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard feature. Lr is a professional application and has no need for kiddie stuff like FB or Twitter export. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
On 2015-03-09 20:27:32 +0000, Davoud said:
Savageduck: Who cares about facial recognition? I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now. People who find Lr to be slow ought to look at their systems. It's plenty fast on a multi-core iMac with 32GB of RAM. I am running my Mac with 16GB and I have never had a speed issue. Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now. No problem with that, either. ...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook, Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard feature. Lr is a professional application and has no need for kiddie stuff like FB or Twitter export. ....and for those who want that social media stuff there are third party plug-ins, just as various photosharing sites have their export plug-ins for Adobe software. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
On 2015-03-09 21:21:00 +0000, nospam said:
In article , Savageduck wrote: Check the clock on your computer, it is off by 14 hours. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
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Savageduck wrote: adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major speed improvements, including import/export are coming. Who cares about facial recognition? those who take photos of people. it's *extremely* useful. I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now. as it does for everyone, but it's going to be even faster for some things. Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now. ...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook, Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard feature. yep. there are no issues with its speed, but they have added speed improvements anyway. |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
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Savageduck wrote: Check the clock on your computer, it is off by 14 hours. the clock is fine, it's a bug, where my newsreader caches the time zone (something apple's finder does too). relaunching fixes it. |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
In article , nospam wrote:
Sandman: I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past: 1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF 8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo nospam: those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to minor issues. Sandman: Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing. adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major speed improvements, including import/export are coming. blogs.adobe.com is having DB issues right now so I can't confirm this. Sandman: Might have missed some. But, having said that, here are some positive things about Lightroom over Apertu 1. Far better noise reduction (not as good as DxO Optics, but good enough) 2. "Clarity" is a lot better than "Definition" 3. Lens correction built in, no need to use DxO Optics. 4. Support for more publishing services via plugins, even if the UI is awful. nospam: 'awful ui' is subjective. Sandman: Well, of course. then it can't be included in your list. You mean the list labeled "Here are a few I've talked about in the past"? That doesn't make any sense. nospam: far more people prefer lightroom's ui than they did aperture. that's partly why aperture was a dud. Sandman: How do you figure? adobe has said so. And without a source, it's just more hot air. Sandman: By the same logic, far more people prefer Windows UI than the Mac UI and Windows is far superior than Macs. nope. more people use windows but that doesn't mean they prefer it. most use it because that's what they're given. they aren't choosing it. I.e. just like with Lightroom, since Windows users doesn't have an alternative. It's the exact same thing. Sandman: I just find this line of thinking hard to swallow from a Mac user. that's your problem. Not so much of a problem for me. Sandman: Just because Android and Windows is used far more than iPhone and Macs doesn't mean they have superior UI or that far more people think they do. that's also not the same thing. It is. this is about a choice of two apps on the same platform, not hardware platforms. No, Windows users could never choose Aperture. A smart phone buyer has more choice in smart phone than a Windows user has for photo management apps. Sandman: I'm sure some people think the Lightroom UI is better than Aperture, but I would bet the reason why most people are using Lightroom is due to Aperture not being available to Windows users, and most people use Windows, so they had no choice what so ever. nope. this has nothing to do with windows users. stop moving the goalpost. Of course it does. Stop moving the goalpost. Sandman: For Mac users, some switched due to Aperture not being updated enough, plus it's easier to use the same tool as your Windows colleagues do, since there is a line of support. lightroom has always held the lead over aperture. Thanks for sharing your personal opinion. Sandman: OSX Photos, now in public beta, is no Aperture replacement. It's hardly even a iPhoto replacement. We'll see how it matures, and if it will truly have non- destructive plugins (which some have claimed, but can't back up). nospam: it slots between iphoto and aperture, exactly as intended. Sandman: No, it doesn't. It currently "slots" beneath iPhoto, lacking many features of iPhoto. Perhaps when it's out of beta, it will close to iPhoto, but currently it isn't. one key area in which it's ahead is speed. it's way the **** faster than iphoto. Not really, no. I have 80k photos in iPhoto and it's blazing fast. Photos isn't slow, but it's not faster than iPhoto. But, it's still in beta. Sandman: You're the one that kept claiming that OSX Photos "looked a lot" like both Aperture and Lightroom, when it's nowhere near either of them. You also said that there was a big chance of OSX Photos leaving Lightroom "in the dust". Well, that's not working out really well. eventually. it's not done yet. So it was intended to slot between iPhoto and Aperture while leaving Lightroom in the dust? That doesn't make any sense what so ever. -- Sandman |
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Aperture to be removed from the Appstore
In article , Savageduck wrote:
I am currently running both Aperture and Lightroom with the same photos, and there are a number of things LR is sorely lacking. Here are a few I've talked about in the past: 1. No auto-sync with cloud storage 2. No "Events" to automatically group your photos 3. No high dynamic range in curves 4. Many problems with importing photos if there are videos in the batch 5. Slow to use and slow to import 6. Poor Facebook/Flickr support 7. Buggy support for lens data in EXIF 8. Pretty cumbersome workflow 9. No support for face recognition 10. No support for drag'n'drop of current version of photo those are anywhere from completely bogus to coming in lightroom 6 to minor issues. Sandman: Nothing bogus, and some are minor but still bothersome. Not sure what of the above you think will be in LR6, there hasn't been any official word from Adobe yet. The things that are being rumored are things like content-aware editing. nospam: adobe has already stated that facial recognition, gpu offloading, major speed improvements, including import/export are coming. Who cares about facial recognition? I do! "Faces" in Lightroom and Aperture is awesome. I have several smart albums where the criteria is something like "favorite images of my daughter where location is not at home" and things like that. I like the Idea of speed improvements, but LR works pretty fast for me now. It's no slouch, but even the slightest wait from time to time adds up to a slow interface, especially when you're used to the lightning speed of Aperture. Strange, I have import & export working pretty well in LR right now. They released a fix some months ago, but LR still halts when video files are in the batch that I want to import, presumably trying to preview/index them or something. ...but then I am not thinking of stuff I don't use such as Facebook, Twitter, etc., and which would not be welcome on LR as a standard feature. Sure, if you don't use Facebook and Flickr, you wouldn't care. But in Aperture, all your Flickr images are shown as a "smart" project, and you can move photo to and from those albums just as any album in your library. It makes it really easy to upload and manage your Flickr (and Facebook) photo albums. -- Sandman |
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