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Adobe's Low hanging .... ?
On 7/16/2014 10:39 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Sandman wrote: Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal switch. What "switch" was this? You say it's an internal component, and the topic was "moving parts" so you seem to imply that inside your iPhone there was a mechanical physically moving "switch" that was broken. Having seen the insides of many iPhones (I have a friend that repair them), I can assure you that no such switch exists. he's talking out is ass. there is no 'internal switch'. the *only* buttons and switches are on the outside (not inside), where a user can access them. an internal switch makes no sense whatsoever. the status of any of those buttons/switches or whether any of them are even functional do not affect data retention or being able to access the data at all. there are even ways to continue to use an iphone/ipad with broken buttons/switches although obviously less convenient than getting it repaired, which for an out of warranty device may not be worth it. and for those who don't want to disassemble their iphone to check what's really in there, just check out any of the teardowns online. The phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed. According t the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code was a bad internal switch, or something like that. It cold not be repaired. Perhaps I should have sent nospam to argue with them. Since the topic was data loss, are you here claiming that this internal "switch" failing also made your phone backup fail? Or are you saying that in spite of your iPhone explictly asking you to, and Apple providing it for free, you declined automatic backup of your phone? Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your replacement iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and then just restore your new phone with all the data from your old phone. So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed to mean, your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old phone - was not actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize the automatic and free of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or the automatic free of charge backup mechanism in iTunes if you distrust the cloud). a backup certainly makes things easier, but the data in his old phone was still there. he's wrong. Although the data on any device may be there, it's worthless if it cannot be accessed. -- PeterN |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: there is no need to specify the default case since it's the default case. Who says? Where did they say it. what do you think default *means*? The important question is what do you think that default means? what normally happens, without the user going out of their way. Also why are we restricting the discussion to the default case when there are alternative choices which should be taken into consideration? Who made the decision to do so and when did they tell us? the user can do whatever they want, but if they go out of their way to put one copy of data anywhere (cloud or not), then data loss is a real risk and if it happens, it's of their own doing, based on the decisions they have made. it's *not* a fault of the cloud. |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal switch. What "switch" was this? You say it's an internal component, and the topic was "moving parts" so you seem to imply that inside your iPhone there was a mechanical physically moving "switch" that was broken. Having seen the insides of many iPhones (I have a friend that repair them), I can assure you that no such switch exists. he's talking out is ass. there is no 'internal switch'. Switches need not be mechanical devices with moving parts. e.g. a transistor is a switch. There are many other similar devices such as Hall Effect switches. Please don't try to interpret this example as me claiming there are Hall Effect devices in iPhones. now that's a stretch. nobody is going to tell a customer 'an internal switch failed' (if that's actually what anyone said, which is highly suspect) when a single *transistor* fails, which nobody would even know in the first place just by looking at it. any failure gets diagnosed as a logic board failure and that gets replaced as a unit. even if a part were to be replaced, it would be thousands, if not millions of transistors (and other stuff). |
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On 7/16/2014 12:56 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: The phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed. According t the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code was a bad internal switch, or something like that. It cold not be repaired. Perhaps I should have sent nospam to argue with them. Since the topic was data loss, are you here claiming that this internal "switch" failing also made your phone backup fail? Or are you saying that in spite of your iPhone explictly asking you to, and Apple providing it for free, you declined automatic backup of your phone? Nobody, except you, said my phone was not backed up. Typically, you make assumptions with no factual basis. if it was backed up then it doesn't matter what failed or if you even had the original phone at all. bottom line: nothing lost, exactly as i said. Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your replacement iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and then just restore your new phone with all the data from your old phone. Decline what?? The discussion was about the data on my hone, not on my backup, or restoration to a new phone. no, the discussion is data loss. since you admit to having a backup, there can't be data loss. The phone data is no longer available on the phone. The phone is kaput. The data on the phone is lost -- PeterN |
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On 7/16/2014 4:21 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed to mean, your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old phone - was not actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize the automatic and free of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or the automatic free of charge backup mechanism in iTunes if you distrust the cloud). a backup certainly makes things easier, but the data in his old phone was still there. he's wrong. Sorry, I forgot you were aware of what the Apple Store people told me. i didn't say anything about what they said or didn't say. stop making **** up. If you knew how to read, you would have seen that all technical information was from the people at the Apple Store. if you had any resemblance of a clue, you'd realize that the apple store staff is not the sole source of technical information and actually they don't know as much as you think they do. there's far more information than you could possibly comprehend at apple's web site. start he https://developer.apple.com/. again, the apple store employee's job is to repair the phone, not recover data. apple even says they're not responsible for data. it's not what they do. you're *well* out of your league. I'm sure you wold have fixed my phone. No doubt abut that. Amazing how when show to be wrong, you consistently turn to personal insults. stick to lying. it's what you do well. leave the complicated stuff to others. Another rant into a mirror. -- PeterN |
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On 7/16/2014 6:30 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:39:12 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: there is no need to specify the default case since it's the default case. Who says? Where did they say it. what do you think default *means*? The important question is what do you think that default means? It means he is wrong and attempting to twist out of the intellectually honest admission. We've all seen him do that before. Also why are we restricting the discussion to the default case when there are alternative choices which should be taken into consideration? Who made the decision to do so and when did they tell us? -- PeterN |
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In article , Andreas Skitsnack wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context Which, in short says it means: "The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning" So, according to this explanation, it surely means you have to remove something in order to take something out of context. Which incidentally is exactly how I have used the phrase all these years. And by logic, it's the only thing it *can* mean, seeing how it couldn't be taken out of context if the context is still right there. If you have concluded that the original passage has to be removed or not visible, then you misunderstand the explanation. In what way did I misunderstand it, supposedly? Was it this part: "in which a passage is removed" When something is "taken out of context", it is discussed without referring to the context in which it originally appeared and as if the surrounding context doesn't apply to the meaning. Do you mean that it has been removed from the "surrounding context"? If this statement is made: "The United State's borders are secure as they can be considering the number of people assigned to keeping our borders secured." And someone says: "You say our 'borders are secure', but hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants cross our borders every year." The phrase "borders are secure" has been quoted out of context even if the original statement is presented intact and visible to read. No, the original statement is *not* present in the quote. It has been taken out of its context and presented without it, removing the intended meaning of the quote. Whether or not the original text is present or not is not relevant to the fact that it was omitted from the *quote*. -- Sandman[.net] |
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In article , PeterN wrote:
Sandman: Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your replacement iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and then just restore your new phone with all the data from your old phone. PeterN: Decline what?? The discussion was about the data on my hone, not on my backup, or restoration to a new phone. nospam: no, the discussion is data loss. since you admit to having a backup, there can't be data loss. The phone data is no longer available on the phone. But your data is not lost, right? Also, the data on the phone *is* available, only not easily so. The phone is kaput. The data on the phone is lost No, the threshold to access has been greatly elevated. It can be done, but since you have a backup and your data hasn't been lost, it is not worth it for you to access the data. If your phone, and your phone only, contained the launch codes to US missile bases, and an "internal switch" made the phone "kaput", then the data would not be considered lost, and would be retrieved by a number of different data retrieval processes. As it is, your data wasn't valuable enough for you to retrieve the data, since you had a backup and your data wasn't actually lost. -- Sandman[.net] |
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On 2014-07-17 14:24:38 +0000, PeterN said:
On 7/16/2014 12:56 PM, nospam wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: The phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed. According t the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code was a bad internal switch, or something like that. It cold not be repaired. Perhaps I should have sent nospam to argue with them. Since the topic was data loss, are you here claiming that this internal "switch" failing also made your phone backup fail? Or are you saying that in spite of your iPhone explictly asking you to, and Apple providing it for free, you declined automatic backup of your phone? Nobody, except you, said my phone was not backed up. Typically, you make assumptions with no factual basis. if it was backed up then it doesn't matter what failed or if you even had the original phone at all. bottom line: nothing lost, exactly as i said. Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your replacement iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and then just restore your new phone with all the data from your old phone. Decline what?? The discussion was about the data on my hone, not on my backup, or restoration to a new phone. no, the discussion is data loss. since you admit to having a backup, there can't be data loss. The phone data is no longer available on the phone. The phone is kaput. The data on the phone is lost This sub-thread is beginning to resemble the Monty Python Parrot sketch, mated to the 5 minute argument sketch. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 7/17/2014 3:22 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: PeterN: And just where did I used the word "removed." Do learn to read. nospam: you said "selectively take comments out of context". the entire post was quoted (again) and nothing was removed at all, therefore nothing could be taken out of context. do learn to read. Do look up what the phrase: "taken out of context,: means. You will quickly see that it does not mean anything was removed. Ehm, if something is taken *out* of context, then the context need to be missing, right? Looking it up, as per your request, I find this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context Which, in short says it means: "The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning" So, according to this explanation, it surely means you have to remove something in order to take something out of context. Which incidentally is exactly how I have used the phrase all these years. And by logic, it's the only thing it *can* mean, seeing how it couldn't be taken out of context if the context is still right there. Then you have been using the expression incorrectly. In American usage the term also means ignoring ignoring the words that explain what is intended. While Wikipedia can be helpful, it is not peer reviewed and therefore is not considered authoritative. See Tony Cooper's explanation. -- PeterN |
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