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On 7/16/2014 12:56 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed to mean,
your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old phone - was not
actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize the automatic and free
of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or the automatic free of charge
backup mechanism in iTunes if you distrust the cloud).

a backup certainly makes things easier, but the data in his old phone
was still there.

he's wrong.

Sorry, I forgot you were aware of what the Apple Store people told me.

i didn't say anything about what they said or didn't say.

stop making **** up.

If you knew how to read, you would have seen that all technical
information was from the people at the Apple Store.

--
PeterN

On 7/16/2014 12:56 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal switch. The
phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed. According t
the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code was a bad
internal
switch, or something like that. It cold not be repaired. Perhaps I
should have sent nospam to argue with them.

the phone may not have been usable as a phone, but the *data* on it was
not lost. it's still there.

The data may have been there, but it could not be accessed. It would not
sync with any computer. It could not be read by any computer.
Not even at the Apple store.

your story keeps changing.

it won't sync with anything other than the computer to which it was
first synced. once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

however, the data was there.

not only that, but a 'broken internal switch' isn't going to cause a
sync failure.

the switches do *not* matter.

the apple store staff wanted to fix the phone so you could use it as a
phone. that's to be expected.

The folks in th Apple store disagree with you.

no. their job is to fix stuff, not recover them.

if you want data recovery, try http://www.drivesavers.com/.

Once more yu have no idea WTF you are talking about.

i know *far* more about ios devices that you ever will.

And you selectively take comments out of context. But it doesn't matter.
We all know what you are, and act accordingly.

nothing was removed.
you are wrong again.

And just where did I used the word "removed." Do learn to read.

you said "selectively take comments out of context".

the entire post was quoted (again) and nothing was removed at all,
therefore nothing could be taken out of context.

do learn to read.


Do look up what the phrase: "taken out of context,: means. You will
quickly see that it does not mean anything was removed.

--
PeterN

In article , PeterN
wrote:

So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed to mean,
your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old phone - was not
actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize the automatic and free
of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or the automatic free of charge
backup mechanism in iTunes if you distrust the cloud).

a backup certainly makes things easier, but the data in his old phone
was still there.

he's wrong.

Sorry, I forgot you were aware of what the Apple Store people told me.

i didn't say anything about what they said or didn't say.

stop making **** up.

If you knew how to read, you would have seen that all technical
information was from the people at the Apple Store.

if you had any resemblance of a clue, you'd realize that the apple
store staff is not the sole source of technical information and
actually they don't know as much as you think they do.

there's far more information than you could possibly comprehend at
apple's web site. start he https://developer.apple.com/.

again, the apple store employee's job is to repair the phone, not
recover data. apple even says they're not responsible for data. it's
not what they do.

you're *well* out of your league.

stick to lying. it's what you do well. leave the complicated stuff to
others.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal switch.
The phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed.
According to the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code
was a bad internal switch, or something like that. It cold not be
repaired. Perhaps I should have sent nospam to argue with them.

the phone may not have been usable as a phone, but the *data* on it
was not lost. it's still there.

The data may have been there, but it could not be accessed. It would
not sync with any computer. It could not be read by any computer.
Not even at the Apple store.

your story keeps changing.

it won't sync with anything other than the computer to which it was
first synced. once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

however, the data was there.

not only that, but a 'broken internal switch' isn't going to cause a
sync failure.

the switches do *not* matter.

the apple store staff wanted to fix the phone so you could use it as a
phone. that's to be expected.

The folks in th Apple store disagree with you.

no. their job is to fix stuff, not recover them.

if you want data recovery, try http://www.drivesavers.com/.

Once more yu have no idea WTF you are talking about.

i know *far* more about ios devices that you ever will.

And you selectively take comments out of context. But it doesn't matter.
We all know what you are, and act accordingly.

nothing was removed.
you are wrong again.

And just where did I used the word "removed." Do learn to read.

you said "selectively take comments out of context".

the entire post was quoted (again) and nothing was removed at all,
therefore nothing could be taken out of context.

do learn to read.

Do look up what the phrase: "taken out of context,: means. You will
quickly see that it does not mean anything was removed.

nothing was taken out of context. once again, you're wrong and won't
admit it.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:39:12 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

there is no need to specify the default case since it's the default
case.

Who says? Where did they say it.

what do you think default *means*?

The important question is what do you think that default means?

Also why are we restricting the discussion to the default case when
there are alternative choices which should be taken into
consideration? Who made the decision to do so and when did they tell
us?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:56:53 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal switch. The
phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed. According t
the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code was a bad
internal
switch, or something like that. It cold not be repaired. Perhaps I
should have sent nospam to argue with them.

the phone may not have been usable as a phone, but the *data* on it was
not lost. it's still there.

The data may have been there, but it could not be accessed. It would not
sync with any computer. It could not be read by any computer.
Not even at the Apple store.

your story keeps changing.

it won't sync with anything other than the computer to which it was
first synced. once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

however, the data was there.

not only that, but a 'broken internal switch' isn't going to cause a
sync failure.

the switches do *not* matter.

the apple store staff wanted to fix the phone so you could use it as a
phone. that's to be expected.

The folks in th Apple store disagree with you.

no. their job is to fix stuff, not recover them.

if you want data recovery, try http://www.drivesavers.com/.

Once more yu have no idea WTF you are talking about.

i know *far* more about ios devices that you ever will.

And you selectively take comments out of context. But it doesn't matter.
We all know what you are, and act accordingly.

nothing was removed.
you are wrong again.

And just where did I used the word "removed." Do learn to read.

you said "selectively take comments out of context".

the entire post was quoted (again) and nothing was removed at all,
therefore nothing could be taken out of context.

Why couldn't it?

do learn to read.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:39:11 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Sandman
wrote:

Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal switch.

What "switch" was this? You say it's an internal component, and the topic
was "moving parts" so you seem to imply that inside your iPhone there was a
mechanical physically moving "switch" that was broken. Having seen the
insides of many iPhones (I have a friend that repair them), I can assure
you that no such switch exists.

he's talking out is ass. there is no 'internal switch'.

Switches need not be mechanical devices with moving parts. e.g. a
transistor is a switch. There are many other similar devices such as
Hall Effect switches. Please don't try to interpret this example as me
claiming there are Hall Effect devices in iPhones.

the *only* buttons and switches are on the outside (not inside), where
a user can access them. an internal switch makes no sense whatsoever.

the status of any of those buttons/switches or whether any of them are
even functional do not affect data retention or being able to access
the data at all.

there are even ways to continue to use an iphone/ipad with broken
buttons/switches although obviously less convenient than getting it
repaired, which for an out of warranty device may not be worth it.

and for those who don't want to disassemble their iphone to check
what's really in there, just check out any of the teardowns online.

The phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed.
According t the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic code
was a bad internal switch, or something like that. It cold not be
repaired. Perhaps I should have sent nospam to argue with them.

Since the topic was data loss, are you here claiming that this internal
"switch" failing also made your phone backup fail? Or are you saying that
in spite of your iPhone explictly asking you to, and Apple providing it for
free, you declined automatic backup of your phone?

Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your replacement
iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and then just restore
your new phone with all the data from your old phone.

So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed to mean,
your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old phone - was not
actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize the automatic and free
of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or the automatic free of charge
backup mechanism in iTunes if you distrust the cloud).

a backup certainly makes things easier, but the data in his old phone
was still there.

he's wrong.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , PeterN wrote:

PeterN:
Funny. The problem with my old iPhone was a broken internal
switch.

Sandman:
What "switch" was this? You say it's an internal component, and
the topic was "moving parts" so you seem to imply that inside your
iPhone there was a mechanical physically moving "switch" that was
broken. Having seen the insides of many iPhones (I have a friend
that repair them), I can assure you that no such switch exists.

No reply to this? So I assume then that it wasn't a "broken internal
switch" at all.

PeterN:
The phone would turn on and off, but nothing could be accessed.
According t the good folks at the Apple store the diagnostic
code was a bad internal switch, or something like that. It cold
not be repaired. Perhaps I should have sent nospam to argue with
them.

Sandman:
Since the topic was data loss, are you here claiming that this
internal "switch" failing also made your phone backup fail? Or are
you saying that in spite of your iPhone explictly asking you to,
and Apple providing it for free, you declined automatic backup of
your phone?

Nobody, except you, said my phone was not backed up.

Only, I didn't say that, Peter. I asked above whether it was backed up or
not. How could you miss this?

Typically, you make assumptions with no factual basis.

Hence the question, as shown with a question mark above.

I take it your phone *was* backed up then, and that in failing, no data was
lost to you. Congratulations!

Sandman:
Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your
replacement iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and
then just restore your new phone with all the data from your old
phone.

Decline what??

The automatic backup feature of the iPhone. The declination I asked about
in the preceeding paragraph, to which you responded above.

The discussion was about the data on my hone, not on my backup, or
restoration to a new phone.

The discussion wasn't about the data on your phone. It was about data loss,
and how smart phones are less likely to suffer from data loss due to no
moving parts. You then came along and said something about some supposed
"internal switch" as if that was an actual moving part and how your phone
could not be repaired, but in the end, no data was lost. Not even the data
on your phone which could have been retrieved with the proper tools. But
since you had a backup, that wasn't worth the money it would have cost you.

Sandman:
So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed
to mean, your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old
phone - was not actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize
the automatic and free of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or
the automatic free of charge backup mechanism in iTunes if you
distrust the cloud).

I never said otherwise.

No, you didn't, so I asked you. You didn't reply this time either,
actually.

So, in the end, your phone was damaged in some way, and you had a backup
and your next phone was restored from that backup and all your data is
intact. Not sure why you brought it up.


--
Sandman[.net]

In article , PeterN wrote:

Sandman:
Since the topic was data loss, are you here claiming that this
internal "switch" failing also made your phone backup fail? Or are
you saying that in spite of your iPhone explictly asking you to,
and Apple providing it for free, you declined automatic backup of
your phone?

Because if you didn't decline, and you had backup, then your
replacement iPhone would just ask for your iCloud credentials and
then just restore your new phone with all the data from your old
phone.

So regardless of this "internal switch" whatever that is supposed
to mean, your phone data - while unrecoverable inside your old
phone - was not actually lost since you're smart enough to utilize
the automatic and free of charge backup mechanism in iCloud (or
the automatic free of charge backup mechanism in iTunes if you
distrust the cloud).

I apologize to you for my snippy answers. I thought I was responding
to nosense, and sent before review.

Apology accepted. Good form. Others should take note.

--
Sandman[.net]

In article , PeterN wrote:

PeterN:
And just where did I used the word "removed." Do learn to read.

nospam:
you said "selectively take comments out of context".

the entire post was quoted (again) and nothing was removed at all,
therefore nothing could be taken out of context.

do learn to read.

Do look up what the phrase: "taken out of context,: means. You will
quickly see that it does not mean anything was removed.

Ehm, if something is taken *out* of context, then the context need to be
missing, right? Looking it up, as per your request, I find this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

Which, in short says it means:

"The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as
"contextomy", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in
which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as
to distort its intended meaning"

So, according to this explanation, it surely means you have to remove
something in order to take something out of context. Which incidentally is
exactly how I have used the phrase all these years. And by logic, it's the
only thing it *can* mean, seeing how it couldn't be taken out of context if
the context is still right there.



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Sandman[.net]