Image size , A technical puzzle.

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:19:35 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:13:02 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:


I thought I was addressing the original image requirements. I remember
in previous circumstances having people ask for 72ppi in the belief
that was essential to them being able to display them on their
monitor. I never could understand why.

I have never heard that 72 ppi is essential for monitor viewing, but
it's often said that any number larger than 72 ppi will not result in
any change in what is viewed.

Neither will any number less than 72: at least in any circumstances of
which I am familiar.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , PeterN
wrote:

I'm only talking about the image requirements for the competition I
entered. Try not to let the sideliner with a desperate need for
attention, divert your thoughts.

I thought I was addressing the original image requirements. I remember
in previous circumstances having people ask for 72ppi in the belief
that was essential to them being able to display them on their
monitor. I never could understand why.

In this case the images must be at least 100 ppi because some will be
printed in some type of publication.

once again, it doesn't matter what the tag is.

the ppi is determined by the number of pixels (in this case, a maximum
of 1024x768) and how big of a print someone decides to make.

suppose that 1024x768 image is printed at 1x1 inch. then the ppi will
be about 1000 ppi, or ten times as much as they request, regardless of
what the tag is.

if moments later, that very same image is printed at 100x100 inches,
then the ppi will be about 10 ppi, or about 1/10th what they request.

the tag in the image is the same in both cases. it does not affect
anything. what matters is the choice of print size at the time it's
printed.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

vendors don't give a **** nor is there any pimping of lighting or
background products.

This is yet another thing where you know what other people think? You
know for sure that the vendors don't give a **** that the exposure of
their product leads to sales?

They don't have to "pimp" a product. Just stand back and let the
attendee work with it and see it in use.

again, you're talking out your ass.

attendees do not get to work with the lighting setups or backdrops used
in the indoor model shoot setups and unless someone looks for
specifics, they might not even know who makes any of it. it's not like
there are big signs advertising the setup.

for outdoors, there's nothing to work with. the lighting is courtesy of
mother nature and the backdrops are the buildings and landscape of the
campus. occasionally a classic car might be used as a prop, but that's
about it. are you now going to claim that ford is sponsoring the show
because someone shows up with a 60's mustang?

You aer demonstrating your ignorance of outdoor shooting. Bunny you
don't mention use of reflectiors, difusers, green screens, and other
outdoor light control techniques.

you've seen all of that stuff in use at outdoor neccc model shoots?

Yes! But your question has nothing to do the absurdity of your above
stated comment.

when have you seen a green screen used at an outdoor model shoot at
neccc (or outdoors anywhere for that matter)?

you wouldn't be bull****ting about that, would you?

occasionally a reflector might be used, but that's not that common
since it gets in the way of the feeding frenzy and because the group
often moves from spot to spot. i have seen it on occasion, though.

or would you be bull****ting again?

Seems to me that the readers can judge for themselves/

be careful for what you wish for.

also, a green screen is rarely used outdoors since the light needs to
be controlled.

Rarely does not mean never. Obviously use of any equipment would be
dependant upon outdoor conditions.

it's not a question of conditions.

if someone is going to do a green screen, then they're going to do it
in a studio where the light can be controlled and because there's no
need to go outside when whatever 'outside' you want is going to be
composited in later. that's the whole point of green-screening.

the outdoor model shoots at neccc are to use the existing scenery,
usually the pond or next to some of the non-ugly buildings, not to
stand in front of a green screen so that someone can composite in a
totally different outdoor setting (or whatever else they want).

as for the weather, if it's raining, the outdoor shoots take place in
the covered area at the campus center unless the weather is ****ty
enough to where that is not a realistic option.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

And how he knows the morons are "well paid".

i didn't say the morons were well paid.

more of your lies and twists.

some people there are well paid. some are not. simple concept.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

I thought I was addressing the original image requirements. I remember
in previous circumstances having people ask for 72ppi in the belief
that was essential to them being able to display them on their
monitor. I never could understand why.

I have never heard that 72 ppi is essential for monitor viewing, but
it's often said that any number larger than 72 ppi will not result in
any change in what is viewed.

or smaller.

the tag is ignored.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

but not specifically for models. it's whatever the
person borrowing it wants to do with it.

If you knew anything about the NECCC conference, you would realize that
there is a reality that few of the loaners are used for shooting models.

tell that to tony, who claims that the only reason that the vendors are
there are because of the model shoots.

unless you audit everyone who borrows equipment as well as those who
are at the model shoots, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether
they own the equipment they're using or what people do with what they
borrow.

I do KNOW that little, if any of the borrowed lenses can be used for the
outdoor model shoots.

what you meant to say is that you know little.

you are wrong.

borrowed equipment can be used indoors, outdoors or even off campus,
for anything the borrower wants to do with it, whether it's a model
shoot or something else, as long as it's returned on time and in the
same condition.

surprise! For the six times I have attended, the
lenses had to be returned by aobut 4:00PM. The outdoor model shoots have
started about that tinme on Fridays and Saturdays. IIRC there were no
loaners available on Sunday.

surprise! you're wrong.

model shoots are all day saturday and in the morning on sunday.

there are no model shoots at all on friday nor are there model shoots
in the evenings.

there's plenty of time to borrow a lens, use it at a model shoot or
whatever else and return it.

unlike you or tony, i don't claim to know what people do with borrowed
equipment, nor do i care.

I am showing that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are
just bull****ting.

you're not doing a very good job of that since you continue to get key
details wrong.

you wouldn't be bull****ting about having gone, now would you?

On 7/13/2015 1:29 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

but not specifically for models. it's whatever the
person borrowing it wants to do with it.

If you knew anything about the NECCC conference, you would realize that
there is a reality that few of the loaners are used for shooting models.

tell that to tony, who claims that the only reason that the vendors are
there are because of the model shoots.

unless you audit everyone who borrows equipment as well as those who
are at the model shoots, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether
they own the equipment they're using or what people do with what they
borrow.

I do KNOW that little, if any of the borrowed lenses can be used for the
outdoor model shoots.

what you meant to say is that you know little.

you are wrong.

borrowed equipment can be used indoors, outdoors or even off campus,
for anything the borrower wants to do with it, whether it's a model
shoot or something else, as long as it's returned on time and in the
same condition.

surprise! For the six times I have attended, the
lenses had to be returned by aobut 4:00PM. The outdoor model shoots have
started about that tinme on Fridays and Saturdays. IIRC there were no
loaners available on Sunday.

surprise! you're wrong.

model shoots are all day saturday and in the morning on sunday.


I will only go to the model shoots when the lectures are over.


there are no model shoots at all on friday nor are there model shoots
in the evenings.

there's plenty of time to borrow a lens, use it at a model shoot or
whatever else and return it.

unlike you or tony, i don't claim to know what people do with borrowed
equipment, nor do i care.

I am showing that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are
just bull****ting.

you're not doing a very good job of that since you continue to get key
details wrong.

you wouldn't be bull****ting about having gone, now would you?


Lists of prior attendees are available.
Your failure to answer my prior questions speaks volumes.
Typically you have made no statements that can be verified. Your
credibility has not suffered. Moreover, anything you have stated can be
found on their website. There are no secrets.


--
PeterN

On 7/13/2015 1:29 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

vendors don't give a **** nor is there any pimping of lighting or
background products.

This is yet another thing where you know what other people think? You
know for sure that the vendors don't give a **** that the exposure of
their product leads to sales?

They don't have to "pimp" a product. Just stand back and let the
attendee work with it and see it in use.

again, you're talking out your ass.

attendees do not get to work with the lighting setups or backdrops used
in the indoor model shoot setups and unless someone looks for
specifics, they might not even know who makes any of it. it's not like
there are big signs advertising the setup.

for outdoors, there's nothing to work with. the lighting is courtesy of
mother nature and the backdrops are the buildings and landscape of the
campus. occasionally a classic car might be used as a prop, but that's
about it. are you now going to claim that ford is sponsoring the show
because someone shows up with a 60's mustang?

You aer demonstrating your ignorance of outdoor shooting. Bunny you
don't mention use of reflectiors, difusers, green screens, and other
outdoor light control techniques.

you've seen all of that stuff in use at outdoor neccc model shoots?

Yes! But your question has nothing to do the absurdity of your above
stated comment.

when have you seen a green screen used at an outdoor model shoot at
neccc (or outdoors anywhere for that matter)?

you wouldn't be bull****ting about that, would you?

occasionally a reflector might be used, but that's not that common
since it gets in the way of the feeding frenzy and because the group
often moves from spot to spot. i have seen it on occasion, though.

YUou are outdoing yourself. First you imply I have never seen a green
screen used outdoors. Then in the third following paragraph you state
that you have.



or would you be bull****ting again?

Seems to me that the readers can judge for themselves/

be careful for what you wish for.

also, a green screen is rarely used outdoors since the light needs to
be controlled.

Rarely does not mean never. Obviously use of any equipment would be
dependant upon outdoor conditions.

it's not a question of conditions.

if someone is going to do a green screen, then they're going to do it
in a studio where the light can be controlled and because there's no
need to go outside when whatever 'outside' you want is going to be
composited in later. that's the whole point of green-screening.

the outdoor model shoots at neccc are to use the existing scenery,
usually the pond or next to some of the non-ugly buildings, not to
stand in front of a green screen so that someone can composite in a
totally different outdoor setting (or whatever else they want).

as for the weather, if it's raining, the outdoor shoots take place in
the covered area at the campus center unless the weather is ****ty
enough to where that is not a realistic option.


And with proper attitude, it is not difficult to talk a model into
posing in the rain.

Either answer my prior questions, or STFU.


--
PeterN

In article , PeterN
wrote:

You aer demonstrating your ignorance of outdoor shooting. Bunny you
don't mention use of reflectiors, difusers, green screens, and other
outdoor light control techniques.

you've seen all of that stuff in use at outdoor neccc model shoots?

Yes! But your question has nothing to do the absurdity of your above
stated comment.

when have you seen a green screen used at an outdoor model shoot at
neccc (or outdoors anywhere for that matter)?

you wouldn't be bull****ting about that, would you?

occasionally a reflector might be used, but that's not that common
since it gets in the way of the feeding frenzy and because the group
often moves from spot to spot. i have seen it on occasion, though.

YUou are outdoing yourself. First you imply I have never seen a green
screen used outdoors. Then in the third following paragraph you state
that you have.

read it again. nowhere did i say i've seen a green screen used outdoors
and you're avoiding admitting that you haven't either.

what i said was that on occasion, i've seen a reflector used at outdoor
model shoots at neccc. it's rare, and if you have ever gone to one (and
it's clear that you have not), you'd understand why that is.

as for the weather, if it's raining, the outdoor shoots take place in
the covered area at the campus center unless the weather is ****ty
enough to where that is not a realistic option.

And with proper attitude, it is not difficult to talk a model into
posing in the rain.

a proper attitude would be *not* bull****ting.

not a single thing you've said indicates you've gone to a model shoot
at neccc, which means you're making a complete fool of yourself trying
to argue about what goes on there.

neccc model shoots are not private one-on-one shoots where you can talk
someone into posing in the rain or whatever else.

you'd need to convince not only the model, but also convince her
chaperone and the rest of the photographers. don't be surprised if
everyone laughs at the request.

Either answer my prior questions, or STFU.

your questions have been answered, so stfu yourself.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

surprise! For the six times I have attended, the
lenses had to be returned by aobut 4:00PM. The outdoor model shoots have
started about that tinme on Fridays and Saturdays. IIRC there were no
loaners available on Sunday.

surprise! you're wrong.

model shoots are all day saturday and in the morning on sunday.

I will only go to the model shoots when the lectures are over.

in other words, you aren't very familiar with the model shoots or with
borrowing equipment.

put another way, you're full of ****.

I am showing that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are
just bull****ting.

you're not doing a very good job of that since you continue to get key
details wrong.

you wouldn't be bull****ting about having gone, now would you?

Lists of prior attendees are available.
Your failure to answer my prior questions speaks volumes.
Typically you have made no statements that can be verified. Your
credibility has not suffered. Moreover, anything you have stated can be
found on their website. There are no secrets.

your questions were answered in far more detail than is on any website
(not just neccc's) and i could go into *much* more detail if you want.

anyone who has attended neccc knows that what i've said is correct and
you're making a huge fool out of yourself by bull****ting.

what's really funny is what's on their website contradicts what you've
said. maybe you should have checked there first before spewing.