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Old April 1st 04, 09:25 PM
Martin Francis
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"Paul Schmidt" wrote in message
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Actually I think Ilford invented the black border


Wasn't it Al Gore?

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Old April 1st 04, 11:51 PM
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Rhetorical questions:

How many photographers need to use "clean white borders" before
critics can consider white borders to be a tired old cliche of
printing?

How many photographers need to use black frames before critics can
consider it to be yet another cliche?

If "everyone" cuts the overmat so that its window is just outside of
the print, is that also a cliche of printmaking?

Which is the cliche: either cropping a negative or printing full
frame?

Does any of it really matter, or perhaps the photographer should
experiment with several variations to determine which he/she feels is
appropriate for the particular picture?

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(Michael Scarpitti) wrote in message . com...
"k" wrote in message gers.com...
I was wondering what is the most common method if displaying gallery work
for
35mm full frame prints? I have seen some mat cuts where the window is just
outside
the 35mm print border? is this a common way of displaying 35mm full frame
prints when
you're doing mats? thanks.

k.


Print with clean white boders. Use a masking neg carrier. Forget this
crap. Don't take crap from photo instructors. Think for yourself.

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Old April 2nd 04, 01:28 AM
Alan Browne
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k wrote:

I was wondering what is the most common method if displaying gallery work
for
35mm full frame prints? I have seen some mat cuts where the window is just
outside
the 35mm print border? is this a common way of displaying 35mm full frame
prints when
you're doing mats? thanks.



The "Crop in the viewfinder" crowd like to show the raggedy edges of the
negative to prove their art is "pure". Just decide what you want for
YOU and get on with life.

For B&W, I sometimes like the 'ragged' edge bit; but for color I prefer
it to be hard edged. I have no hard preference, it is NOT important.

Some images beg to be cropped following exposure. It's that simple.
This cropping can be done by cutting the matte to effect the crop,
masking during printing, cutting, whatever.

Go to a few galleries and find the looks that appeal to you...

Cheers,
Alan.

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Old April 2nd 04, 01:29 AM
Alan Browne
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:


Yes: Pick up a book of photographs, open a magazine, go to a
gallery, a museum and count: with black border Vs without
black border.


The statistical approach to art.... ?

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Old April 2nd 04, 07:05 AM
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All Pyramid schemes eventually go belly up. Why should social security
be any different?

jjs wrote:

Maybe it is time we lowered our standards in order to make a few bucks as
social security goes bankrupt.

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from the subjects of the government. The history of government is a
history of resistance. The history of liberty is the history of the
limitation of government, not the increase of it." --Woodrow Wilson
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Old April 2nd 04, 03:18 PM
Nicholas O. Lindan
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"columbotrek" wrote
jjs wrote:
Maybe it is time we lowered our standards in order to make a few bucks as
social security goes bankrupt.

All Pyramid schemes eventually go belly up. Why should social security
be any different?


I thought Social Security was a 'Ponzi' scam:

http://www.mark-knutson.com/thescheme.html

But I guess a Ponzi scam is a variation on a pyramid scheme which is
a variation on a chain letter which is a variation on Herbalife. Or
is it the other way 'round?

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Old April 3rd 04, 03:07 AM
William Graham
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"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
nk.net...
"columbotrek" wrote
jjs wrote:
Maybe it is time we lowered our standards in order to make a few bucks

as
social security goes bankrupt.

All Pyramid schemes eventually go belly up. Why should social security
be any different?


I thought Social Security was a 'Ponzi' scam:

http://www.mark-knutson.com/thescheme.html

But I guess a Ponzi scam is a variation on a pyramid scheme which is
a variation on a chain letter which is a variation on Herbalife. Or
is it the other way 'round?

The only difference between SS and a pyramid scam, is that with a pyramid
scam, all you have to do is hit, "delete", and go on to the next
e-mail.....With SS, the government made a law that says you have to join
whether you're smart enough to see through the scam or not........


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Old April 3rd 04, 04:23 AM
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In article n%obc.168586$po.977961@attbi_s52, "William Graham"
wrote:

The only difference between SS and a pyramid scam, is that with a pyramid
scam, all you have to do is hit, "delete", and go on to the next
e-mail.....With SS, the government made a law that says you have to join
whether you're smart enough to see through the scam or not........


That's the truth. At one time a very smart man named Russell Jalbert, who
once worked for the Social Security Administration, said (paraphrase) "A
good report from the Social Security Administration should be interpreted
as 'the people have not risen up in a full revolution against it'. Yet!"
Yes, he was bitter.

The government is just waiting for the would-be beneficiaries to die off.
Rather like the way they handled the Vietnam Agent Orange crisis.
 




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