The sea

In article 2014090519342518425-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-09-06 01:19:19 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

rOn Fri, 5 Sep 2014 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:
On Friday, 5 September 2014 11:17:45 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 02:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:
On Friday, 5 September 2014 09:05:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:

Columbus encountered and survived these shores, off the coast of
Spain/Portugal, in these conditions, when he returned from his first
voyage of discovery. Irrespective of whatever else he was, he was a
master sailor.

I always thought he got lost and 'found' the americas by accident.
But then again they didn;t have GPS in those days.

He had already been there by the Norse route (up north).

He found america but thought it was the 'the Indies' (asia) and that's
why he called the natives indians.

There good grounds for suspecting that he knew that what he had found
was not the Indies but that he had fudged the arithmetic so as to
retain the goodwill (and the money) of the King and Queen.

There also are grounds for suspecting that even on that southern route
the Portuguese had been there before him.

The myth of Columbus was that he discovered "America". He did no such
thing. In each of the Columbus voyages of discovery he never stepped
foot on the North American mainland. He did make it to Central America
& the South American coast, but never North America.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Viajes_de_colon_en.svg

If anything the 15th Century credit for discovery & exploration of
North America (earlier exploration and settlement by Ericksen & various
Viking settlements not withstanding) should go to that other Italian
working for a royal financier, John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto). Cabot was
commissioned by Henry VII of England.

It seems the mercenary explorers of the 15th Century were principally
Italian, mainly Genovese & Venetian.

And Cabot wuoldn't have thought about crossing the Atlaantic if Columbus
had not shown that there was something there to explore. Columbus
didn't discover "America", Columbus discovered "The New World", which,
at the time, meant something akin to what discovering the means of
travel to new habitable planet with a civilization would mean to us.

On 2014-09-06 06:31:56 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 2014090519342518425-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-09-06 01:19:19 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

rOn Fri, 5 Sep 2014 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:
On Friday, 5 September 2014 11:17:45 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 02:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:
On Friday, 5 September 2014 09:05:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:

Columbus encountered and survived these shores, off the coast of
Spain/Portugal, in these conditions, when he returned from his first
voyage of discovery. Irrespective of whatever else he was, he was a
master sailor.

I always thought he got lost and 'found' the americas by accident.
But then again they didn;t have GPS in those days.

He had already been there by the Norse route (up north).

He found america but thought it was the 'the Indies' (asia) and that's
why he called the natives indians.

There good grounds for suspecting that he knew that what he had found
was not the Indies but that he had fudged the arithmetic so as to
retain the goodwill (and the money) of the King and Queen.

There also are grounds for suspecting that even on that southern route
the Portuguese had been there before him.

The myth of Columbus was that he discovered "America". He did no such
thing. In each of the Columbus voyages of discovery he never stepped
foot on the North American mainland. He did make it to Central America
& the South American coast, but never North America.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Viajes_de_colon_en.svg

If anything the 15th Century credit for discovery & exploration of
North America (earlier exploration and settlement by Ericksen & various
Viking settlements not withstanding) should go to that other Italian
working for a royal financier, John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto). Cabot was
commissioned by Henry VII of England.

It seems the mercenary explorers of the 15th Century were principally
Italian, mainly Genovese & Venetian.

And Cabot wuoldn't have thought about crossing the Atlaantic if Columbus
had not shown that there was something there to explore. Columbus
didn't discover "America", Columbus discovered "The New World", which,
at the time, meant something akin to what discovering the means of
travel to new habitable planet with a civilization would mean to us.

Agreed. Unfortunately, there are simplifications and massive gaps in
history education, many of which lead to misconceptions and
misstatements who have those gaps in their education.

As an American, there are times I am astonished at the ignorance many
of my fellow citizens exhibit when it comes to some of the important
events in our history, including, but not limited to the Revolutionary
& Civil Wars. The road from exploration, discovery, to nationhood has
been oversimplified.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 9/6/2014 7:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-09-06 06:31:56 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 2014090519342518425-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-09-06 01:19:19 +0000, Eric Stevens
said:

rOn Fri, 5 Sep 2014 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:
On Friday, 5 September 2014 11:17:45 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 02:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:
On Friday, 5 September 2014 09:05:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:

Columbus encountered and survived these shores, off the coast of
Spain/Portugal, in these conditions, when he returned from his
first
voyage of discovery. Irrespective of whatever else he was, he was a
master sailor.

I always thought he got lost and 'found' the americas by accident.
But then again they didn;t have GPS in those days.

He had already been there by the Norse route (up north).

He found america but thought it was the 'the Indies' (asia) and that's
why he called the natives indians.

There good grounds for suspecting that he knew that what he had found
was not the Indies but that he had fudged the arithmetic so as to
retain the goodwill (and the money) of the King and Queen.

There also are grounds for suspecting that even on that southern route
the Portuguese had been there before him.

The myth of Columbus was that he discovered "America". He did no such
thing. In each of the Columbus voyages of discovery he never stepped
foot on the North American mainland. He did make it to Central America
& the South American coast, but never North America.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Viajes_de_colon_en.svg


If anything the 15th Century credit for discovery & exploration of
North America (earlier exploration and settlement by Ericksen & various
Viking settlements not withstanding) should go to that other Italian
working for a royal financier, John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto). Cabot was
commissioned by Henry VII of England.

It seems the mercenary explorers of the 15th Century were principally
Italian, mainly Genovese & Venetian.

And Cabot wuoldn't have thought about crossing the Atlaantic if Columbus
had not shown that there was something there to explore. Columbus
didn't discover "America", Columbus discovered "The New World", which,
at the time, meant something akin to what discovering the means of
travel to new habitable planet with a civilization would mean to us.

Agreed. Unfortunately, there are simplifications and massive gaps in
history education, many of which lead to misconceptions and
misstatements who have those gaps in their education.

As an American, there are times I am astonished at the ignorance many of
my fellow citizens exhibit when it comes to some of the important events
in our history, including, but not limited to the Revolutionary & Civil
Wars. The road from exploration, discovery, to nationhood has been
oversimplified.


Could it be that the truth doesn't always fit those with agendas.
Oversimplification is an easy way out.


--
PeterN

On 5/09/2014 2:14 AM, PeterN wrote:
The photos here reflect the power of the sea.
Wish I had tekn them, but I'ms not sure I would stand and take those
photos if I was there.

http://thenextweb.com/creativity/2014/09/01/wild-waves-14-photos-ocean-overtaking-earth/


Aaaaw, ya pussies!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/_O082485.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/_O082565.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/_O082569.jpg
Yes, I took them and I was that close to them!
(with a FD200/2.8 on a m4/3 sensor!)