Crop vs Converter

On 8/13/14 PDT, 7:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-13 14:00:22 +0000, android said:

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
What's the best make do if you cant afford proper fullframe glass? A
crop camera or a 1.4 teleconverter. The crop camera gives more speed
but
a fullframe sensor should give you less noise to compensate for that.
I think that a lot people deep into telephoto are interested in that!

Use of a 1.4x TC does make a FF lens out of one with only cropped frame
coverage.

Unfortunately, while that is pretty reasonable for longer lenses, it
isn't nearly as viable for shorter focal lengths.

No, but alot crop people seem to crave that extra reach.

The crop folks already have that reach, by going DX they have an
effective x1.5. In this group it seems to be a few FF folks (one I can
think of) who want that extra reach by compromising with a TC.

Here's another way. FF camera takes FF 24-105. Crop camera takes 1.4x
converter and telephoto zoom.

On 2014-09-16 04:45:40 +0000, John McWilliams said:

On 8/13/14 PDT, 7:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-13 14:00:22 +0000, android said:

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
What's the best make do if you cant afford proper fullframe glass? A
crop camera or a 1.4 teleconverter. The crop camera gives more speed
but
a fullframe sensor should give you less noise to compensate for that.
I think that a lot people deep into telephoto are interested in that!

Use of a 1.4x TC does make a FF lens out of one with only cropped frame
coverage.

Unfortunately, while that is pretty reasonable for longer lenses, it
isn't nearly as viable for shorter focal lengths.

No, but alot crop people seem to crave that extra reach.

The crop folks already have that reach, by going DX they have an
effective x1.5. In this group it seems to be a few FF folks (one I can
think of) who want that extra reach by compromising with a TC.

Here's another way. FF camera takes FF 24-105. Crop camera takes 1.4x
converter and telephoto zoom.

Why would the DX user want to add a 1.4TC to a FF 24-105 which without
a convertor is already an effective 36-157 on that DX without any
intervening glass elements?

The typical lenses in my bag are a Tokina DX 11-16mm f/2.8, an 18-200mm
VRII, a 70-300mm VR, & a 35mm f/2.0. Mostly I will just go with the
18-200mm VRII and leave the others with the bag in the car.


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In article ,
John McWilliams wrote:

On 8/13/14 PDT, 7:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-13 14:00:22 +0000, android said:

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
What's the best make do if you cant afford proper fullframe glass? A
crop camera or a 1.4 teleconverter. The crop camera gives more speed
but
a fullframe sensor should give you less noise to compensate for that.
I think that a lot people deep into telephoto are interested in that!

Use of a 1.4x TC does make a FF lens out of one with only cropped frame
coverage.

Unfortunately, while that is pretty reasonable for longer lenses, it
isn't nearly as viable for shorter focal lengths.

No, but alot crop people seem to crave that extra reach.

The crop folks already have that reach, by going DX they have an
effective x1.5. In this group it seems to be a few FF folks (one I can
think of) who want that extra reach by compromising with a TC.

Here's another way. FF camera takes FF 24-105. Crop camera takes 1.4x
converter and telephoto zoom.

The idea was to smoooth the transition for diehard half frame fanatics
to full frame. ;-) Crop lenses with a TC behind on a full frame them
provides a near half frame experience.
And now that we know that D400 spells D750... ;-p
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On 2014-09-16 06:16:16 +0000, android said:

In article ,
John McWilliams wrote:

On 8/13/14 PDT, 7:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-13 14:00:22 +0000, android said:

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
What's the best make do if you cant afford proper fullframe glass? A
crop camera or a 1.4 teleconverter. The crop camera gives more speed
but
a fullframe sensor should give you less noise to compensate for that.
I think that a lot people deep into telephoto are interested in that!

Use of a 1.4x TC does make a FF lens out of one with only cropped frame
coverage.

Unfortunately, while that is pretty reasonable for longer lenses, it
isn't nearly as viable for shorter focal lengths.

No, but alot crop people seem to crave that extra reach.

The crop folks already have that reach, by going DX they have an
effective x1.5. In this group it seems to be a few FF folks (one I can
think of) who want that extra reach by compromising with a TC.

Here's another way. FF camera takes FF 24-105. Crop camera takes 1.4x
converter and telephoto zoom.

The idea was to smoooth the transition for diehard half frame fanatics
to full frame. ;-) Crop lenses with a TC behind on a full frame them
provides a near half frame experience.
And now that we know that D400 spells D750... ;-p

Sigh! This is getting old already.

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Regards,

Savageduck

John McWilliams wrote in
:

On 8/13/14 PDT, 7:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-13 14:00:22 +0000, android said:

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
What's the best make do if you cant afford proper fullframe
glass? A crop camera or a 1.4 teleconverter. The crop camera
gives more speed but
a fullframe sensor should give you less noise to compensate
for that. I think that a lot people deep into telephoto are
interested in that!

Use of a 1.4x TC does make a FF lens out of one with only
cropped frame coverage.

Unfortunately, while that is pretty reasonable for longer
lenses, it isn't nearly as viable for shorter focal lengths.

No, but alot crop people seem to crave that extra reach.

The crop folks already have that reach, by going DX they have an
effective x1.5. In this group it seems to be a few FF folks (one
I can think of) who want that extra reach by compromising with a
TC.

Here's another way. FF camera takes FF 24-105. Crop camera takes
1.4x converter and telephoto zoom.


If the crop camera used the same lens it wouldn't need the
converter.

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On 9/15/14 PDT, 10:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-09-16 04:45:40 +0000, John McWilliams said:

On 8/13/14 PDT, 7:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-13 14:00:22 +0000, android said:

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
What's the best make do if you cant afford proper fullframe glass? A
crop camera or a 1.4 teleconverter. The crop camera gives more speed
but
a fullframe sensor should give you less noise to compensate for that.
I think that a lot people deep into telephoto are interested in that!

Use of a 1.4x TC does make a FF lens out of one with only cropped
frame
coverage.

Unfortunately, while that is pretty reasonable for longer lenses, it
isn't nearly as viable for shorter focal lengths.

No, but alot crop people seem to crave that extra reach.

The crop folks already have that reach, by going DX they have an
effective x1.5. In this group it seems to be a few FF folks (one I can
think of) who want that extra reach by compromising with a TC.

Here's another way. FF camera takes FF 24-105. Crop camera takes 1.4x
converter and telephoto zoom.

Why would the DX user want to add a 1.4TC to a FF 24-105 which without a
convertor is already an effective 36-157 on that DX without any
intervening glass elements?

I have no idea.

The typical lenses in my bag are a Tokina DX 11-16mm f/2.8, an 18-200mm
VRII, a 70-300mm VR, & a 35mm f/2.0. Mostly I will just go with the
18-200mm VRII and leave the others with the bag in the car.


I was just stating what has worked well for me for the past five years.