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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones)what would you choose?
On 07/24/2015 07:42 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , charles wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Of course. Because it still works. But I'd leave off the match needle metering; just takes up real estate in the viewfinder. -- Still shooting the Canon FX... and proud of it! Ken Hart |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones)what would you choose?
On 07/24/2015 09:00 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , charles wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Something my way-more-than-50-year-old brain can handle. I don't use my newer cameras often enough to remember all the new bells and whistles. so turn them off. you do realize that modern cameras can be used in manual mode, but with the advances of the past 50 years, right? or put it in full auto and give your brain a rest. let the camera do the grunt work like metering and focusing so you can concentrate on the actual photo. The "grunt work" (metering and focusing) is a part of the actual photo. -- Ken Hart |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
In article , Ken Hart
wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Of course. what on earth for? do you choose manual typewriters over computers? Because it still works. so do modern cameras. there is *nothing* that a 50 year old relic can do that a modern camera cannot do better, more accurately and more reliably and with *much* better results. not only that, but this thread is about having any kind of camera, one which would obviously work. why would someone's dream camera be a camera that is broken? But I'd leave off the match needle metering; just takes up real estate in the viewfinder. not really. |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
In article , Ken Hart
wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Something my way-more-than-50-year-old brain can handle. I don't use my newer cameras often enough to remember all the new bells and whistles. so turn them off. you do realize that modern cameras can be used in manual mode, but with the advances of the past 50 years, right? or put it in full auto and give your brain a rest. let the camera do the grunt work like metering and focusing so you can concentrate on the actual photo. The "grunt work" (metering and focusing) is a part of the actual photo. composition is part of the photo. metering and focusing is not, and is something that a camera can do better in nearly all situations. |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
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wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Of course. what on earth for? do you choose manual typewriters over computers? Because it still works. so do modern cameras. there is *nothing* that a 50 year old relic can do that a modern camera cannot do better, more accurately and more reliably and with *much* better results. not only that, but this thread is about having any kind of camera, one which would obviously work. why would someone's dream camera be a camera that is broken? You have never understood that other people have interests different from your own, and that their interests may be more important to them than yours. nobody said otherwise. While the photograph is the end result, and modern cameras can make that end result better, more simple to achieve, and less time consuming to finalize, the "hunt" is more satisfying to some than the head mounted on the wall. It was more of a challenge to get the right results with the cameras we used to use. Meeting that challenge can be the objective of the photographer. There was a satisfaction to doing everything right when using the older cameras that is not really present with today's cameras. The camera is doing so much of the work that the photographer can only claim to have seen what to point it at and when to push the button That's not enough for everyone. modern cameras can be operated in fully manual mode just as if it was 1965, but still benefiting from all of the advancements that have taken place in the past 50 years, such as more accurate shutter mechanisms and aperture mechanisms, far better ergonomics, digital imaging, focus confirmation, etc. While you deprecate the Luddites who like to try their skill the old way, your obsessive worship of the modern "let the camera do the work" is distasteful to some. what's distasteful is your incessant need to bash. |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones)what would you choose?
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:59:36 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Ken Hart wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Something my way-more-than-50-year-old brain can handle. I don't use my newer cameras often enough to remember all the new bells and whistles. so turn them off. you do realize that modern cameras can be used in manual mode, but with the advances of the past 50 years, right? or put it in full auto and give your brain a rest. let the camera do the grunt work like metering and focusing so you can concentrate on the actual photo. The "grunt work" (metering and focusing) is a part of the actual photo. composition is part of the photo. metering and focusing is not, and is something that a camera can do better in nearly all situations. Metering and focusing are all part of the art of composing a photograph. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:59:36 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Ken Hart wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Of course. what on earth for? do you choose manual typewriters over computers? Because it still works. so do modern cameras. there is *nothing* that a 50 year old relic can do that a modern camera cannot do better, more accurately and more reliably and with *much* better results. I know what Ken Hart means. For some purposes the all singing-dancing modern camera can get between the photographer and the taking of the picture. not only that, but this thread is about having any kind of camera, one which would obviously work. why would someone's dream camera be a camera that is broken? But I'd leave off the match needle metering; just takes up real estate in the viewfinder. not really. http://scruss.com/enterprise.net/weston/weston06a.jpg -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 12:52:48 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:59:36 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , Ken Hart wrote: SLR with mechanical shutter speed and aperature controls, along with ASA setting (ISO I believe is a newer term.) Match needle metering with option to switch from full screen or spot. you could have any camera at all and you'd choose one with 50 year old technology??? Of course. what on earth for? do you choose manual typewriters over computers? Because it still works. so do modern cameras. there is *nothing* that a 50 year old relic can do that a modern camera cannot do better, more accurately and more reliably and with *much* better results. not only that, but this thread is about having any kind of camera, one which would obviously work. why would someone's dream camera be a camera that is broken? You have never understood that other people have interests different from your own, and that their interests may be more important to them than yours. While the photograph is the end result, and modern cameras can make that end result better, more simple to achieve, and less time consuming to finalize, the "hunt" is more satisfying to some than the head mounted on the wall. It was more of a challenge to get the right results with the cameras we used to use. Meeting that challenge can be the objective of the photographer. There was a satisfaction to doing everything right when using the older cameras that is not really present with today's cameras. The camera is doing so much of the work that the photographer can only claim to have seen what to point it at and when to push the button That's not enough for everyone. While you deprecate the Luddites who like to try their skill the old way, your obsessive worship of the modern "let the camera do the work" is distasteful to some. I've still got something similar to this tucked away http://collectiblend.com/Cameras/ima...eld-Camera.jpg -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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If you could have any kind of camera (even non-existant ones) what would you choose?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: The "grunt work" (metering and focusing) is a part of the actual photo. composition is part of the photo. metering and focusing is not, and is something that a camera can do better in nearly all situations. Metering and focusing are all part of the art of composing a photograph. no they aren't. composition is choosing a vantage point, choosing and/or posing the subject, properly lighting it, clicking the shutter at the optimal time, etc. a camera can't do any of that. all a camera can do is determine the focus and exposure. there's always the possibility that the photographer may want to override the focus or exposure (which they obviously can), but that's the exception. they can also bias the automatic modes for specific situations, such as shutter priority with a fast shutter speed for stopping motion or choosing a specific autofocus mode for subject tracking. good luck trying to maintain focus on a moving object without autofocus. |
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