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Old May 24th 18, 02:17 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:04:51 -0400, PeterN
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On 5/22/2018 6:55 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2018 21:54:19 -0400, PeterN
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Yeahh well, we might inform DD that the alaies drove towards Arnhem New
York style... :-))

Sadly, Monty wasn't the only General who sacrificed troops to satisfy
his ego. In the past he had been rather careful and conservative. I have
often wondered whether he had bad intelligence, or ignored the reports.


There is clear evidence that he was told all about it at least two
weeks before the landing. I can look up the references (real books -
made of paper) if you like.


So you are saying that he ignored the reports, or were the reports
inaccurate?


Montgomery received the latest updates from Ultra decodes includin the
information that the point where the parachute brigade was intending
to land was now occupied by a battle hardened SS Panzer Corps which
had just returned from the eastern front. The Corps consisted of 9 and
10 Panzer Divisions and was no bunch of pussycats. Details of this are
listed in 'Ultra Goes to War' by Ronald Lewin. This just happened be
the first relevant book I laid my hands on but there are others which
confirm the details.
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Old May 24th 18, 04:32 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.


And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))
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Old May 24th 18, 05:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.


And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))


Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods?
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Old May 24th 18, 05:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On May 23, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, wrote:

On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.


And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))


Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods?


Like “Butch” the god of the gooey death.

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Old May 24th 18, 05:55 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-05-24 04:45:11 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.


And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))


Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods?


???

Dodo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo
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Old May 24th 18, 10:54 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 24 May 2018 02:45:24 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:08:22 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:48:02 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On May 23, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:53:59 UTC+1, android wrote:

An act of God? I don't think soo... Try the devil!

The devil can't exist without God.

Neither exist without snake oil salesmen, and a receptive audience willing to
be led blindly to paradise.

The point was that the devil is the arch rival of God without a/the God they're can't be a devil as it was invented by christians


Umm - no. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil

In Christianity, the manifestation of the Devil is the Hebrew Satan; the primary opponent of God.[4][5] While in Christiany, the Devil was created by God,


in Absolute dualism, the Devil is alternatively seen as an independent principle besides the good God. Proponents of such dualism can be found in Zoroastrism, Manichaeism, Albanenses and partly in Catharism. Some other religious and philosophical views, like Thomism,[6] Kabbalah,[7] Bahaism, Sufism and Ahmadiyya, hold that evil has no ontological existence and is regarded as something illusory.


So who is the oppisute or buddha, who is opposite the prophet mohammad (peace be upon him). Sikhism ?, hindi ?


I presume you are being difficult rather than obtuse. My "Umm - no"
was directed at the last word of your text "... as it was invented by
christians". My point was that it wasn't invented by Christians.
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Old May 24th 18, 10:55 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:49:31 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On May 23, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, wrote:

On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.

And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))


Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods?


Like “Butch” the god of the gooey death.


Well, they had Pompieus Strabo 'the butcher'. But he was a general.
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Old May 24th 18, 10:59 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 24 May 2018 06:55:37 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-24 04:45:11 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.

And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))


Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods?


???

Dodo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo


Of course I know what a Dodo is. I also know it has been extinct for a
couple of centuries. I took it that you were making the (slightly
dubious) point that the Romans are now extinct. This was in response
to my comment about the nature of their gods. What were you driving at
with your comment in response to me?
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Eric Stevens
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Old May 24th 18, 01:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-05-24 09:59:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 24 May 2018 06:55:37 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-24 04:45:11 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman
versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to
start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or
by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male
or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of
the entity to which they were praying.

And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-))

Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods?


???

Dodo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo


Of course I know what a Dodo is. I also know it has been extinct for a
couple of centuries. I took it that you were making the (slightly
dubious) point that the Romans are now extinct.


No, but Rom in it's historical sense is no more! :-))

This was in response
to my comment about the nature of their gods. What were you driving at
with your comment in response to me?


That the Romans was heatens... Of a rather crude kind.
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Old May 24th 18, 06:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/23/2018 3:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 23, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 5/23/2018 9:47 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 23, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:53:59 UTC+1, android wrote:

An act of God? I don't think soo... Try the devil!

The devil can't exist without God.

Neither exist without snake oil salesmen, and a receptive audience willing
to
be led blindly to paradise.

...and then there is politics which isn’t too different from religion.


It is my personal belief that, at least in the Middle East, religion is
primarily used, and has been used as an excuse for power.


Religion has always been used to exercise power, and to control the masses
from ancient times globally to the present here in the USA with the religious
right, and the Middle East with Islam, Judeism, and Christianity.

Consider that Romans reinvented the Greek gods as Roman versions, and added
their particular twist with regard to interpretation. Then when faced with a
massive political split, Constantine adopted Christianity as the state
religion to legitimize it. The Catholic Church has run with it ever since,
controlling European monarchies through the dark ages. Then we got Luther,
Calvin, and the protestant split.

Today we have the ultimate religious political control in the USA with Trump
giving the religious right all they want, as long as he gets their support.
They turn a blind eye to his own moral decadance to achieve their gains. So
much for separation of church and state.


In support of your statement:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/05/05/franklin-graham-trumps-affair-with-stormy-daniels-is-nobodys-business/


You might also like:
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/george-orwells-animal-farm-provides-perfect-guide-authoritarianism-trump-era/

WARNING! It's a scary read.


I have lots of anecdotal documentation on that. I am not saying that the true religious
believers lack good faith, just that any of them are being exploited.


Blind faith is a dangerous thing regardless of the religion. The Cargo
Cultists are still waiting for those flying gods to return.

It is the hypocrisy that I attack. I am a spiritualist, who believes
that there was a creator of the universe, and our highest obligation is
to treat each other with dignity and respect. From what I understand you
do not believe in a creator. I will go with Einstein, to paraphrase: the
probability of our universe having been created is much higher than it
occurring by chance. The basis for my statement is that he said that to
me. (I met him when I was about ten years old. And too young to question
him about details.)

I would be happy to discuss our different beliefs off line.


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