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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:04:51 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 5/22/2018 6:55 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2018 21:54:19 -0400, PeterN wrote: --- snip --- Yeahh well, we might inform DD that the alaies drove towards Arnhem New York style... :-)) Sadly, Monty wasn't the only General who sacrificed troops to satisfy his ego. In the past he had been rather careful and conservative. I have often wondered whether he had bad intelligence, or ignored the reports. There is clear evidence that he was told all about it at least two weeks before the landing. I can look up the references (real books - made of paper) if you like. So you are saying that he ignored the reports, or were the reports inaccurate? Montgomery received the latest updates from Ultra decodes includin the information that the point where the parachute brigade was intending to land was now occupied by a battle hardened SS Panzer Corps which had just returned from the eastern front. The Corps consisted of 9 and 10 Panzer Divisions and was no bunch of pussycats. Details of this are listed in 'Ultra Goes to War' by Ronald Lewin. This just happened be the first relevant book I laid my hands on but there are others which confirm the details. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) -- teleportation kills |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote:
On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said: The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On May 23, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ): On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, wrote: On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said: The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods? Like “Butch” the god of the gooey death. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On 2018-05-24 04:45:11 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote: On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said: The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods? ??? Dodo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo -- teleportation kills |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On Thu, 24 May 2018 02:45:24 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote: On Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:08:22 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2018 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:48:02 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote: On May 23, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote (in ): On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:53:59 UTC+1, android wrote: An act of God? I don't think soo... Try the devil! The devil can't exist without God. Neither exist without snake oil salesmen, and a receptive audience willing to be led blindly to paradise. The point was that the devil is the arch rival of God without a/the God they're can't be a devil as it was invented by christians Umm - no. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil In Christianity, the manifestation of the Devil is the Hebrew Satan; the primary opponent of God.[4][5] While in Christiany, the Devil was created by God, in Absolute dualism, the Devil is alternatively seen as an independent principle besides the good God. Proponents of such dualism can be found in Zoroastrism, Manichaeism, Albanenses and partly in Catharism. Some other religious and philosophical views, like Thomism,[6] Kabbalah,[7] Bahaism, Sufism and Ahmadiyya, hold that evil has no ontological existence and is regarded as something illusory. So who is the oppisute or buddha, who is opposite the prophet mohammad (peace be upon him). Sikhism ?, hindi ? I presume you are being difficult rather than obtuse. My "Umm - no" was directed at the last word of your text "... as it was invented by christians". My point was that it wasn't invented by Christians. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:49:31 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On May 23, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, wrote: On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said: The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods? Like “Butch” the god of the gooey death. Well, they had Pompieus Strabo 'the butcher'. But he was a general. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On Thu, 24 May 2018 06:55:37 +0200, android wrote:
On 2018-05-24 04:45:11 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote: On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said: The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods? ??? Dodo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo Of course I know what a Dodo is. I also know it has been extinct for a couple of centuries. I took it that you were making the (slightly dubious) point that the Romans are now extinct. This was in response to my comment about the nature of their gods. What were you driving at with your comment in response to me? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On 2018-05-24 09:59:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 06:55:37 +0200, android wrote: On 2018-05-24 04:45:11 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:32:43 +0200, android wrote: On 2018-05-24 01:03:00 +0000, Eric Stevens said: The Greek gods were more or less clearly defined people but the Roman versions were much more of numinous clouds. Roman prayers used to start with a preamble (more or less along the line of) "Oh XXXXX, or by what ever other name you presently choose to use, and whether male or female ... etc", so they didn't really try to define the nature of the entity to which they were praying. And Rom has gone to the place where the Dodos lives... :-)) Do you suggest they should have defined more specific gods? ??? Dodo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo Of course I know what a Dodo is. I also know it has been extinct for a couple of centuries. I took it that you were making the (slightly dubious) point that the Romans are now extinct. No, but Rom in it's historical sense is no more! :-)) This was in response to my comment about the nature of their gods. What were you driving at with your comment in response to me? That the Romans was heatens... Of a rather crude kind. -- teleportation kills |
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Rear back-up cameras mandated in new cars
On 5/23/2018 3:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 23, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 5/23/2018 9:47 AM, Savageduck wrote: On May 23, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote (in ): On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:53:59 UTC+1, android wrote: An act of God? I don't think soo... Try the devil! The devil can't exist without God. Neither exist without snake oil salesmen, and a receptive audience willing to be led blindly to paradise. ...and then there is politics which isn’t too different from religion. It is my personal belief that, at least in the Middle East, religion is primarily used, and has been used as an excuse for power. Religion has always been used to exercise power, and to control the masses from ancient times globally to the present here in the USA with the religious right, and the Middle East with Islam, Judeism, and Christianity. Consider that Romans reinvented the Greek gods as Roman versions, and added their particular twist with regard to interpretation. Then when faced with a massive political split, Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion to legitimize it. The Catholic Church has run with it ever since, controlling European monarchies through the dark ages. Then we got Luther, Calvin, and the protestant split. Today we have the ultimate religious political control in the USA with Trump giving the religious right all they want, as long as he gets their support. They turn a blind eye to his own moral decadance to achieve their gains. So much for separation of church and state. In support of your statement: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/05/05/franklin-graham-trumps-affair-with-stormy-daniels-is-nobodys-business/ You might also like: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/george-orwells-animal-farm-provides-perfect-guide-authoritarianism-trump-era/ WARNING! It's a scary read. I have lots of anecdotal documentation on that. I am not saying that the true religious believers lack good faith, just that any of them are being exploited. Blind faith is a dangerous thing regardless of the religion. The Cargo Cultists are still waiting for those flying gods to return. It is the hypocrisy that I attack. I am a spiritualist, who believes that there was a creator of the universe, and our highest obligation is to treat each other with dignity and respect. From what I understand you do not believe in a creator. I will go with Einstein, to paraphrase: the probability of our universe having been created is much higher than it occurring by chance. The basis for my statement is that he said that to me. (I met him when I was about ten years old. And too young to question him about details.) I would be happy to discuss our different beliefs off line. -- PeterN |
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