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  #31  
Old February 27th 18, 03:46 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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Mike S wrote:

Apologies, I didn't read that you'd gone through all of that. Good luck.


No problem. I appreciate the help, and the tribal record will show others
how to recover from a bricked MS Windows 10 Pro update.

Basically, you must first try all the viable options in the Windows
recovery console using the original HDD.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...tore_gui_1.jpg

Then you do all that again, using the absolute latest DVD ISO you can find,
and, if you can find the same DVD ISO as the OS that was bricked, you do it
a third time.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...dvd_repair.jpg

That's all that the Microsoft Technical Support people will do, so then you
bring it down to the local Microsoft Retail Store for them to try to fix.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_6.jpg

You leave it with them for a few days, where they will try to recover the
OS but if they can't they'll be glad to recover your data (which I didn't
have them do because I backed it up with Knoppix ahead of time).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_7.jpg

They will back up your data to their servers or to any drive you give them,
if you want them to, but I can't imagine that they could /find/ your data,
so I'm sure if you trust them, you'll lose a lot.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg

Anyway, they will fail but when I asked them what they did, they told me
they first ran diagnostics, then they tried the recovery console of the
boot drive, then the recovery console of the latest Windows Creator
edition, and then the recovery console of an older version of Windows 10
and then they ran bcdedit to try to fix the boot record.

It all failed but they said there's nothing wrong with the HDD or RAM or
motherboard so I picked up my desktop today and am using it now after
stopping off at Fryes to buy an SATA III cable and a molex-to-SATA adapter
for the power.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...a_cables_1.jpg

I had to simply move the SATA position 1 on the motherboard to the boot
drive, leaving SATA 2 on the motherboard connected to the DVD disc drive,
and then put the new SATAIII cable on SATA position 3 on the motherboard to
mount the old HDD, and everything booted up fine.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...e_system_2.jpg

I can "see" the old HDD, plus some debugging files the Microsoft store
geniuses left behind.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg

Where the issue is really closed except for me to try to write up the saga
so that the Windows tribal knowledge is updated with the lessons learned.

Basically, some of the lessons learned is:
1. Windows 10 Update bricks a lot of systems (at least one a day is handled
by the Microsoft retail store)
2. The solution first is to try every viable option in the recovery
console, and then try it with a new Windows 10 ISO and then with an old
Windows 10 ISO.
3. If that fails, then try to recover the boot records with bcdedit.

When/if that fails, you simply start over after backing up your data, where
you "should" be able to mount the HDD (I was able to) to save your data
with testdisk or knoppix or ddrescue or PhotoRec or Recuva, etc.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_1.jpg

In my case, it mounted just fine - although Knoppix gave some weird errors
but I'm not too worried because after buying SATA and power cables, I now
have two terabyte HDDs in my laptop.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg
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Old February 27th 18, 03:58 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the
operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different
Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they
get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day.


big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per
store is nothing.

Interestingly, the Microsoft retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley
is directly across the aisle from the Apple Sto


the microsoft stores are almost always near apple stores, except
they're a *lot* less crowded, often with the only people in them being
staff.

The Microsoft store is almost a direct copy of the Apple model,


yep. everyone copies apple.

as far as I
can tell, only about twice the size.


that depends on the store. some apple stores are *huge* and the older
smaller ones are being expanded or relocated.



PS: The Microsoft Store feeds you though, while the Apple store does not.


i've never seen food offered in any microsoft store.
  #33  
Old February 27th 18, 04:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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ultred ragnusen wrote:
Paul wrote:

I had another think about this, and the first question I've
got is

What utility is this ? "Finished" box.

http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...x_error_01.jpg


Oh. That. It's simply the dialog that Knoppix gives you when you select a
directory to right click and "copy" and then you select a location to right
click and "paste".

Anyway, I picked up the machine from the Microsoft Store today where they
found nothing wrong with the HDD or memory, but they couldn't recover the
operating system. I asked them what they ran and they spit off a bunch of
words (fixboot, scanos, chkdsk, diskpart) but mostly they said they used
"bcdedit" after running full diagnostics on the HDD and RAM and
motherboard.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_2.jpg

I see a dialog box with the word "Finished" but I can't tell what
utility put that dialog box there.


It's just the normal copy and paste of Knoppix.
But it's all over. The Microsoft Update bricked OS is a goner because I
tried both Microsoft telephone support and the retail store in the middle
of Silicon Valley (right across from the Apple store).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_3.jpg

The bricked MS Windows 10 update is just a disk drive now.
Windows seems to mount it just fine once I bought a SATA III cable and a
molex-to-SATA connector to hook it up as a second HDD.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...e_system_2.jpg
(BTW, I have no idea what that 100GB "system reserved" partition is as I
didn't make it to my knowledge.)


System Reserved can be several different sizes.

If it's small like your 100MB example, you may find \BOOT
in there as well as \BOOT\BCD. If that was the case, the "Active"
or 0x80 Boot flag would also be set on that partition. The
MBR code would be looking to that partition, for the boot
manager. The BCD is the binary file with boot settings
in it.

You can look in there with your TestDisk.

Linux can be a nuisance at times, and deny access, so
sometimes it takes more work than you might have expected.
I might have had trouble with a 0x17 partition type (Hidden
NTFS) and needed to change it to 0x07 (using sudo fdisk)
and then needed to reboot. It helps to have your LiveCD
on a USB stick, for days like that :-)

If you do find your /BOOT in there, it's possible
to move it to the main C: partition. It's kept separate
like that for BitLocker users. The idea being, you can
encrypt the entire C: drive, and leave System Reserved
visible. And that's how the OS can boot. If you insist
on moving the contents of System Reserved onto C: ,
then your config is no longer "BitLocker Ready".

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=409

I think the BitLocker on Windows 7 uses the Elephant
Diffuser and it was removed from Windows 10. If encryption
had "belt and suspenders" the Windows 10 version is just
"belt". They removed the suspenders.

Paul
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Old February 27th 18, 04:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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Paul wrote:

Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure out something.


Hi Paul,

I picked up the desktop today from the Microsoft Retail Store.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg

On my way home, I stopped off at Fryes, to pick up the two cables needed to
attach the second HDD, which was a red SATA III cable and a molex to SATA
flat cable.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...a_cables_1.jpg

Putting the new HDD in the SATA1 slot of the motherboard, I can boot off of
the new drive which has the latest Windows 10 Pro ISO installed.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg

Now that it's confirmed by the Microsoft Retail Store that the operating
system the Windows 10 update bricked is a goner, there's really nothing
left to do but back up the data and then format the disk as a new disk.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg

I don't need two terabytes, where I never even needed one terabyte, so, I
guess I'm going to learn how to RAID these things.
  #35  
Old February 27th 18, 06:15 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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nospam wrote:

then don't use a system that uses bios, a system that doesn't have such
a ridiculous limitation.


Just for the record, when the Microsoft Retail Store gave me back
my PC today...
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg

I asked what they used, and the genius guy kept talking about bcdedit
(and they left a bcdedit backup binary file on the bricked HDD).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg

Here's the command options for bcdedit...

bcdedit /?

BCDEDIT - Boot Configuration Data Store Editor

The Bcdedit.exe command-line tool modifies the boot configuration data store.
The boot configuration data store contains boot configuration parameters and
controls how the operating system is booted. These parameters were previously
in the Boot.ini file (in BIOS-based operating systems) or in the nonvolatile
RAM entries (in Extensible Firmware Interface-based operating systems). You can
use Bcdedit.exe to add, delete, edit, and append entries in the boot
configuration data store.

For detailed command and option information, type bcdedit.exe /? command. For
example, to display detailed information about the /createstore command, type:

bcdedit.exe /? /createstore

For an alphabetical list of topics in this help file, run "bcdedit /? TOPICS".

Commands that operate on a store
================================
/store Used to specify a BCD store other than the current system default.
/createstore Creates a new and empty boot configuration data store.
/export Exports the contents of the system store to a file. This file
can be used later to restore the state of the system store.
/import Restores the state of the system store using a backup file
created with the /export command.
/sysstore Sets the system store device (only affects EFI systems, does
not persist across reboots, and is only used in cases where
the system store device is ambiguous).

Commands that operate on entries in a store
===========================================
/copy Makes copies of entries in the store.
/create Creates new entries in the store.
/delete Deletes entries from the store.
/mirror Creates mirror of entries in the store.

Run bcdedit /? ID for information about identifiers used by these commands.

Commands that operate on entry options
======================================
/deletevalue Deletes entry options from the store.
/set Sets entry option values in the store.

Run bcdedit /? TYPES for a list of datatypes used by these commands.
Run bcdedit /? FORMATS for a list of valid data formats.

Commands that control output
============================
/enum Lists entries in the store.
/v Command-line option that displays entry identifiers in full,
rather than using names for well-known identifiers.
Use /v by itself as a command to display entry identifiers
in full for the ACTIVE type.

Running "bcdedit" by itself is equivalent to running "bcdedit /enum ACTIVE".

Commands that control the boot manager
======================================
/bootsequence Sets the one-time boot sequence for the boot manager.
/default Sets the default entry that the boot manager will use.
/displayorder Sets the order in which the boot manager displays the
multiboot menu.
/timeout Sets the boot manager time-out value.
/toolsdisplayorder Sets the order in which the boot manager displays
the tools menu.

Commands that control Emergency Management Services for a boot application
================================================== ========================
/bootems Enables or disables Emergency Management Services
for a boot application.
/ems Enables or disables Emergency Management Services for an
operating system entry.
/emssettings Sets the global Emergency Management Services parameters.

Command that control debugging
==============================
/bootdebug Enables or disables boot debugging for a boot application.
/dbgsettings Sets the global debugger parameters.
/debug Enables or disables kernel debugging for an operating system
entry.
/hypervisorsettings Sets the hypervisor parameters.

Command that control remote event logging
=========================================
/eventsettings Sets the global remote event logging parameters.
/event Enables or disables remote event logging for an operating
system entry.
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Old February 27th 18, 06:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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nospam wrote:

The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the
operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different
Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they
get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day.


big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per
store is nothing.


You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they
figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with.

It's a big deal when a mandatory Microsoft Windows 10 Pro update bricks the
system. It's due to poor coding. Very poor coding. Lousy testing too.

Interestingly, the Microsoft retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley
is directly across the aisle from the Apple Sto


the microsoft stores are almost always near apple stores, except
they're a *lot* less crowded, often with the only people in them being
staff.


Interestingly, when I dropped off my computer at the Microsoft Store
earlier this week for them to fail at unbricking the operating system, I
snapped a few pictures within seconds of each other of the two stores,
which are directly across the hall from each other in Santa Clara
California.

Microsoft:
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...l_store_10.jpg
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_8.jpg
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_6.jpg

Apple:
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_2.jpg
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_3.jpg


The Microsoft store is almost a direct copy of the Apple model,


yep. everyone copies apple.


The Santa Clara California Microsoft Store was a lot bigger than the Apple
store though, and there was a LOT of gaming going on, with kids everywhere
playing the Xbox for free and a special glass room just for seminars.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_5.jpg

But it did seem like a bigger copy of Apple, so I agree that they
capitalized on what Apple came up with (even though they told me they've
been there for many years).


as far as I
can tell, only about twice the size.


that depends on the store. some apple stores are *huge* and the older
smaller ones are being expanded or relocated.


This is the one in Santa Clara California, where the Microsoft Store is
clearly huge compared to the Apple Store.

PS: The Microsoft Store feeds you though, while the Apple store does not.


i've never seen food offered in any microsoft store.


They offered me a the coke you see in this picture...
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_2.jpg
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Old February 27th 18, 07:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:


The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the
operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different
Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they
get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day.


big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per
store is nothing.


You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they
figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with.


all software has bugs.

the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case,
it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's
error.

It's a big deal when a mandatory Microsoft Windows 10 Pro update bricks the
system. It's due to poor coding. Very poor coding. Lousy testing too.


you have no idea what the cause is, nor do the 'geniuses' at the
microsoft store.

but to re-use your usual (ignorant) line, microsoft obviously doesn't
test their software in the real world.


Interestingly, the Microsoft retail store in the middle of Silicon Valley
is directly across the aisle from the Apple Sto


the microsoft stores are almost always near apple stores, except
they're a *lot* less crowded, often with the only people in them being
staff.


Interestingly, when I dropped off my computer at the Microsoft Store
earlier this week for them to fail at unbricking the operating system, I
snapped a few pictures within seconds of each other of the two stores,
which are directly across the hall from each other in Santa Clara
California.


your pictures prove my point.



as far as I
can tell, only about twice the size.


that depends on the store. some apple stores are *huge* and the older
smaller ones are being expanded or relocated.


This is the one in Santa Clara California, where the Microsoft Store is
clearly huge compared to the Apple Store.


invalid sample size.

the union square san francisco apple store was *huge*, much bigger than
any mall store. i haven't been to the new one yet, but it's reportedly
bigger.

there are even bigger apple stores than those.
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Old February 27th 18, 08:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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nospam wrote:
In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:

The whole saga is over and done with since Microsoft can't recover the
operating system they, themselves, bricked, and where two different
Microsoft Retail store employees told me this is very common, where they
get a system bricked by the Windows 10 update at least once a day.
big deal. there more than half a billion win10 users. once a day per
store is nothing.

You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they
figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with.


all software has bugs.

the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case,
it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's
error.


One of the recent issues (in 2018), was the refusal
to boot of older AMD processor based systems. This isn't
true bricking (ruining of file system), but it did prevent
people from using their computers. The user "Cameo" in the
group had an AMD system suffer that fate, and Cameo
figured out the necessary DISM command to reverse it
and got the system running again.

It's unclear exactly what kind of blooper hit Ultred's
machine, as the symptoms don't seem to match anything
I could find. A little offline DISM or SFC should have
repaired the OS base, assuming that the file system
really wasn't trashed.

My Windows 10 Insider about a week ago (I have two OSes
running Insider), both of them suffered Voumme Bitmap
trouble, as well as a series of Extended Attributes issues.
And Microsoft has been screwing around with Extended Attributes,
so it's not exactly a random occurrence. I was able to fix that,
and I was initially concerned I'd have to reinstall. But CHKDSK
came through.

The Win10 16299 is also making "bad" NTFS partitions now.
The $MFTMIRR is wrong. If you're making NTFS partitions while
running the latest version of Windows 10, I recommend going back
to Windows 7 and doing your partitioning there instead. I've had
to repair a number of $MFTMIRR entries on NTFS volumes.

It's funny that the level of "innocent" "tee hee hee" errors
is going up, at a time when we're so far along in Windows 10
development. I just can't figure out what these people
are smoking. It's worse than the webcam fiasco (where they
added a busted implementation of FrameServe to webcams,
and my webcam wouldn't work for three months). Even a chimpanzee
with one hand tied behind his back, could have backed out those
changes, apologized and fixed my webcam in a week or two, tops.
Instead, it was full speed ahead and "screw you" if you need
that webcam. "Software as a service". Um, OK. Gotcha.

Paul
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Old February 27th 18, 08:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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nospam wrote:

You talk like the developers I used to work with long ago, where they
figured bugs were just something that you have to learn to live with.


all software has bugs.


True dat.

the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case,
it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's
error.


What you say is probably true since I customized the hell out of that
Windows 10 Pro system such that I was able to do the impossible, which is
to stave off Windows updates for /years/, until the Spectre updates on
January 25th, 26th, and 27th, finally made it on to my system, and bricked
it when it rebooted on the 27th.
01 http://i.cubeupload.com/My174i.jpg
02 http://i.cubeupload.com/0lxuPw.jpg
03 http://i.cubeupload.com/Z2ZaDz.jpg
04 http://i.cubeupload.com/gQGe5w.jpg
05 http://i.cubeupload.com/Y34trY.jpg
06 http://i.cubeupload.com/FHzWVs.jpg
07 http://i.cubeupload.com/IF2Vlc.jpg
08 http://i.cubeupload.com/8v82ir.jpg
09 http://i.cubeupload.com/HfYA6Z.jpg
10 http://i.cubeupload.com/SBiaqx.jpg
11 http://i.cubeupload.com/FwZLFW.jpg
12 http://i.cubeupload.com/Mu43Tx.jpg
13 http://i.cubeupload.com/3L67JF.jpg
14 http://i.cubeupload.com/tV9jYD.jpg

It's a big deal when a mandatory Microsoft Windows 10 Pro update bricks the
system. It's due to poor coding. Very poor coding. Lousy testing too.


you have no idea what the cause is, nor do the 'geniuses' at the
microsoft store.


I'm pretty sure it's poor coding on the part of Microsoft which couldn't
handle my customizations, which is why I'm trying to limit the necessary
customizations in this new install of Windows 10.

Remember, I was able to do the impossible, which was to stave off any
Windows updates, without having to use the metering trick on WiFi and
without having to pull the Internet connection in "off" hours.

It was a lot of settings that I changed though, perhaps fifty to a hundred,
so I'm not sure which particular ones are the ones Microsoft hated but I
kept the same Windows 10 Pro for a couple of years, as I recall (at least a
year).
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Old February 27th 18, 10:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , ultred
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the reality is that win10 bricking is extremely rare and in your case,
it's almost certainly due to something you did rather than microsoft's
error.


What you say is probably true since I customized the hell out of that
Windows 10 Pro system such that I was able to do the impossible, which is
to stave off Windows updates for /years/, until the Spectre updates on
January 25th, 26th, and 27th, finally made it on to my system, and bricked
it when it rebooted on the 27th.


a foolish goal and more than likely, it was a significant factor that
caused your bricking.
 




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