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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On 01/05/2018 04:34 PM, RichA wrote:
Until Nikon and Canon match Olympus/Panasonic Dual stabilization, the chances of getting 45mp of resolution with anything but static subjects and very fast shutter speeds is about nil. Linearly, 45mp is about 50% more resolution than 20mp, which means you need to overcome that tighter demand for steadiness. Not easy. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60601583 Back in the film days, the general rule for hand-held was that the shutter speed should be greater than the focal length. That is: you should be able to hand hold a 50mm lens at 1/50 second, a 200mm lens at 1/200 second, etc. If you couldn't adequately hand hold that, you should consider going back to auto-body work. Now I will grant that there is no way I can hand hold my 1200mm lens at 1/1000 second (or any other speed, simply because of it's weight), but under the right circumstances, I can (and have) hand held my 500mm without any image stabilization. -- Ken Hart |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
The net result of all of this is that if the stabilization is only good enough
for an "8MP" film equivalent pixel, then the 45MP sensor will smear five to six pixel data points together to make a virtual 8MP data set. But only when the shake disallows the higher 45MP grain. -hh |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On Jan 6, 2018, hh wrote
(in ): The net result of all of this is that if the stabilization is only good enough for an "8MP" film equivalent pixel, then the 45MP sensor will smear five to six pixel data points together to make a virtual 8MP data set. But only when the shake disallows the higher 45MP grain. -hh I believe my photography will survive without IBIS, at 24 MP. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On 2018-01-07 03:00:52 +0000, -hh said:
The net result of all of this is that if the stabilization is only good enough for an "8MP" film equivalent pixel, then the 45MP sensor will smear five to six pixel data points together to make a virtual 8MP data set. But only when the shake disallows the higher 45MP grain. -hh In reality you would need some 40MP sensor to measure up to a film like Kodak T-Max 400 hundred but you could easily adapt the "x mm1/x s" rule to 1/2x or whatever you think is necessary for your skills. If you're going on a safari planing on sitting on the roof of a tourist buss in the Serengeti at noon then you could probably make do without IS or legs but waiting in a hide in Lappland at dusk ain't the same thing... -- teleportation kills |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
In article .com,
Savageduck says... I believe my photography will survive without IBIS, at 24 MP. Yes of course, but you can't do things which others can do with stabilisation. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com): In iganews.com, Savageduck says... I believe my photography will survive without IBIS, at 24 MP. Yes of course, but you can't do things which others can do with stabilisation. Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not having stabilization. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
In article .com,
Savageduck says... Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not having stabilization. Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation from the combination of IBIS and OIS. The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if you only have OIS. For sure Fuji cameras are good or even very good. It's just that in this specific area (stabilisation), they are falling behind the competition. And especially if you are using a 45MP camera you appreciate any additional stabilisation you can get. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com): In iganews.com, Savageduck says... Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not having stabilization. Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation from the combination of IBIS and OIS. The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if you only have OIS. Perhaps. However, never make assumptions when it comes to the skills an old fart photographer might have developed over some 55 years of shooting. For sure Fuji cameras are good or even very good. So you have noticed. They also have some pretty good lenses. It's just that in this specific area (stabilisation), they are falling behind the competition. Not necessarily. You need to keep up with developments in the Fujifilm World. And especially if you are using a 45MP camera you appreciate any additional stabilisation you can get. I am not using a 45MP camera. Are you? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On 01/07/2018 08:58 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote (in . com): In iganews.com, Savageduck says... Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not having stabilization. Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation from the combination of IBIS and OIS. The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if you only have OIS. Perhaps. However, never make assumptions when it comes to the skills an old fart photographer might have developed over some 55 years of shooting. And particularly in your case, where "shooting" did not always involve a camera! The techniques for shooting a camera are quite similar. Ken Hart |
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The cold, hard reality of 45mp and no in-body stabilization
On Jan 7, 2018, Ken Hart wrote
(in article ): On 01/07/2018 08:58 AM, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 7, 2018, Alfred Molon wrote (in . com): In iganews.com, Savageduck says... Perhaps. However, you are making the assumption that not having IBIS is not having stabilization. Well, it's the OIS you get from the Fuji lenses vs. the stabilisation from the combination of IBIS and OIS. The latter is far superior and allows you to do things you can't do if you only have OIS. Perhaps. However, never make assumptions when it comes to the skills an old fart photographer might have developed over some 55 years of shooting. And particularly in your case, where "shooting" did not always involve a camera! The techniques for shooting a camera are quite similar. They are quite similar indeed. One might say the art of the Zen Archer, applies to the photographer, and the target shooter. For me photography came first starting with my father’s C3 some 63 years ago, and my Brownie. A few years on my father and I got involved in target shooting, and both photography, and shooting have been part of my life ever since. https://www.dropbox.com/s/21w9l2lb766x55g/Target-Aw.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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