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  #11  
Old January 24th 07, 12:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
TSKO
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Default Epson P-2000

U can get a brand new one for $299? I have found refurb's for that much,
but not a new one.

I thank you for the offer, but I shall pass. No offense...but I would have
a hard time just sending someone a wad of cash...due to the fact I dont know
you. Again, no offense. I probably shouldnt have even asked "how much".

I want the Epson over the Archos though...too many positves over that one so
I am willing to pay the extra cash for it.


"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at
them. Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?

It is expensive, but it certainly isn't a "toy." -It's for a lot
more than simply "viewing pictures" though... It's a very useful
device in the field because it provides back-up of your image files,
which allows you to keep shooting on long trips where your memory
cards are insufficient, or where laptops are a problem to lug along.

I have both the P-2000 and the newer P-5000.

There is nothing more reassuring that knowing that while you keep
shooting, your other full card is being backed up onto your device...
Even more reassuring, you can view the shots on the amazing screen
to make sure everything is as it should be.

If you're interested, I'd consider selling my perfectly functioning
P-2000.
It's in perfect condition, and works extremely well.
The P-5000 is faster, but costs $700 smackers...



--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson



I am joking about the 'toy' part.

What are you willing to sell it for?


I don't know... Make me an offer I can't refuse... (minus the horse's
head, please...)
I wasn't planning to...but I realize that I don't use it any more, now
that I have the P-5000.

I don't know, though... I just checked, and you can still buy the P-2000
new for $299.


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson




  #12  
Old January 24th 07, 03:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
MarkČ
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Default Epson P-2000

TSKO wrote:
U can get a brand new one for $299? I have found refurb's for that
much, but not a new one.

I thank you for the offer, but I shall pass. No offense...but I
would have a hard time just sending someone a wad of cash...due to
the fact I dont know you. Again, no offense. I probably shouldnt
have even asked "how much".
I want the Epson over the Archos though...too many positves over that
one so I am willing to pay the extra cash for it.


The reason I mentioned that you can get a new one for $299 is because if I
were you, I'd probably just buy a new one...



"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at
them. Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?

It is expensive, but it certainly isn't a "toy." -It's for a lot
more than simply "viewing pictures" though... It's a very useful
device in the field because it provides back-up of your image
files, which allows you to keep shooting on long trips where your
memory cards are insufficient, or where laptops are a problem to
lug along. I have both the P-2000 and the newer P-5000.

There is nothing more reassuring that knowing that while you keep
shooting, your other full card is being backed up onto your
device... Even more reassuring, you can view the shots on the
amazing screen to make sure everything is as it should be.

If you're interested, I'd consider selling my perfectly functioning
P-2000.
It's in perfect condition, and works extremely well.
The P-5000 is faster, but costs $700 smackers...



--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson



I am joking about the 'toy' part.

What are you willing to sell it for?


I don't know... Make me an offer I can't refuse... (minus the
horse's head, please...)
I wasn't planning to...but I realize that I don't use it any more,
now that I have the P-5000.

I don't know, though... I just checked, and you can still buy the
P-2000 new for $299.


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


  #13  
Old January 24th 07, 03:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
ray
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Default Epson P-2000

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:54:12 -0800, MarkÂČ wrote:

ray wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:35:35 -0500, TSKO wrote:

Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at them.
Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?


It might be better to invest in one of the less expensive laptops
which are now available.


It's not a laptop replacement.
When you're out in the field with your gear and shooting extensively, it's
nice to be able to perform safe and complete back-ups without lugging a
laptop with you, or having to find a place to boot it up. I merely stick
the card into the unit, start the backup (takes about 5 or 6 seconds) and
keep shooting with another card. -When the back-up finishes, the unit shuts
off, and I can retrieve the card when I back up the next one. All this is
done with no break in shooting. I have a very lightweight laptop which
weighs only about 3.5 lbs, and yet its my Epson that comes with me into the
field. If the laptop comes on the trip, it stays in my hotel (or tent)
while I'm out shooting, and is used for more serious review of the days
shots.

Not everyone needs portable storage, but for those of us that do, these
small and reliable units are of real benefit...especially when they fit
right into existing camera bags.


There are also less expensive backup units. A 40gb Photobank unit with
memory card slots is on sale at OfficeMax this week for $90.

  #14  
Old January 24th 07, 04:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
TSKO
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Posts: 48
Default Epson P-2000

Where can you get a new one for that amount? I would appreciate the info.


"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
U can get a brand new one for $299? I have found refurb's for that
much, but not a new one.

I thank you for the offer, but I shall pass. No offense...but I
would have a hard time just sending someone a wad of cash...due to
the fact I dont know you. Again, no offense. I probably shouldnt
have even asked "how much".
I want the Epson over the Archos though...too many positves over that
one so I am willing to pay the extra cash for it.


The reason I mentioned that you can get a new one for $299 is because if I
were you, I'd probably just buy a new one...



"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at
them. Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?

It is expensive, but it certainly isn't a "toy." -It's for a lot
more than simply "viewing pictures" though... It's a very useful
device in the field because it provides back-up of your image
files, which allows you to keep shooting on long trips where your
memory cards are insufficient, or where laptops are a problem to
lug along. I have both the P-2000 and the newer P-5000.

There is nothing more reassuring that knowing that while you keep
shooting, your other full card is being backed up onto your
device... Even more reassuring, you can view the shots on the
amazing screen to make sure everything is as it should be.

If you're interested, I'd consider selling my perfectly functioning
P-2000.
It's in perfect condition, and works extremely well.
The P-5000 is faster, but costs $700 smackers...



--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson



I am joking about the 'toy' part.

What are you willing to sell it for?

I don't know... Make me an offer I can't refuse... (minus the
horse's head, please...)
I wasn't planning to...but I realize that I don't use it any more,
now that I have the P-5000.

I don't know, though... I just checked, and you can still buy the
P-2000 new for $299.


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson




  #15  
Old January 24th 07, 06:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
George Kerby
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Default Epson P-2000

Yeah. For that price, I might pick up a second unit.


On 1/24/07 10:21 AM, in article
, "TSKO"
wrote:

Where can you get a new one for that amount? I would appreciate the info.


"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
U can get a brand new one for $299? I have found refurb's for that
much, but not a new one.

I thank you for the offer, but I shall pass. No offense...but I
would have a hard time just sending someone a wad of cash...due to
the fact I dont know you. Again, no offense. I probably shouldnt
have even asked "how much".
I want the Epson over the Archos though...too many positves over that
one so I am willing to pay the extra cash for it.


The reason I mentioned that you can get a new one for $299 is because if I
were you, I'd probably just buy a new one...



"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at
them. Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?

It is expensive, but it certainly isn't a "toy." -It's for a lot
more than simply "viewing pictures" though... It's a very useful
device in the field because it provides back-up of your image
files, which allows you to keep shooting on long trips where your
memory cards are insufficient, or where laptops are a problem to
lug along. I have both the P-2000 and the newer P-5000.

There is nothing more reassuring that knowing that while you keep
shooting, your other full card is being backed up onto your
device... Even more reassuring, you can view the shots on the
amazing screen to make sure everything is as it should be.

If you're interested, I'd consider selling my perfectly functioning
P-2000.
It's in perfect condition, and works extremely well.
The P-5000 is faster, but costs $700 smackers...



--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson



I am joking about the 'toy' part.

What are you willing to sell it for?

I don't know... Make me an offer I can't refuse... (minus the
horse's head, please...)
I wasn't planning to...but I realize that I don't use it any more,
now that I have the P-5000.

I don't know, though... I just checked, and you can still buy the
P-2000 new for $299.


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


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  #16  
Old January 24th 07, 06:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Epson P-2000

I agree that we are using the unit for different reason. Before I
bought my Archos, I did consider the Epson because of its name.
However, it is much thicker than the Archos unit. I don't think P-2000
can play MP3 either (which you may not need). I don't remember if it
can play video too.
I also considered about a cheap lap top, as for the same price you now
can get a whole computer.
Anyway, I am happy with the one I get. I splitted my photos into 2 main
folders... storage folder and viewing folder. The storage folder
contains the original photo files (large size). The viewing folder
contain reduced size photos (1024x800 or so), so that it can load the
photos fast for viewing and have good enough details for the LCD
screen. With a 120GB space, there is ample storage for both folders +
plus some MP3 files + video files. With an accessories DVR station, I
can even get some of my favourite TV program for viewing with my
Archos.
I even considered to get a Sony PSP, or a cheaper Radio Shack photo
viewer ( this one you have to put the photos in a CD) and play the
CD... or even a cheap DVD player. But again, my archos is compact and
can do all of those.
I believe Archos has a Texas Instrument processor engine and a Hitachi
hard drive in it. I know that I was worried about Archos name.Epson has
better reputation. But, so far is so good for me, and I am happy. I am
now busy scanning all my old and lifetime photos and dump them all in
my Archos. Of course, I also back them up in DVD and hard drive media.

Just a curiosity... if you just want to get storage more space while
shooting in the field... for $700, you can probably get 20 x 1 GB
camera storage cards! Are'nt they more convenient then bringing your
P-2000/5000 ? At the end of the day, you can downloaded all into your
lap top.

In Jan 24, 1:54 am, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
ray wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:35:35 -0500, TSKO wrote:


Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at them.
Mini laptop I guess.


Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?


It might be better to invest in one of the less expensive laptops
which are now available.It's not a laptop replacement.

When you're out in the field with your gear and shooting extensively, it's
nice to be able to perform safe and complete back-ups without lugging a
laptop with you, or having to find a place to boot it up. I merely stick
the card into the unit, start the backup (takes about 5 or 6 seconds) and
keep shooting with another card. -When the back-up finishes, the unit shuts
off, and I can retrieve the card when I back up the next one. All this is
done with no break in shooting. I have a very lightweight laptop which
weighs only about 3.5 lbs, and yet its my Epson that comes with me into the
field. If the laptop comes on the trip, it stays in my hotel (or tent)
while I'm out shooting, and is used for more serious review of the days
shots.

Not everyone needs portable storage, but for those of us that do, these
small and reliable units are of real benefit...especially when they fit
right into existing camera bags.

--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


  #17  
Old January 24th 07, 08:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
TSKO
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Posts: 48
Default Epson P-2000


wrote in message
oups.com...
I agree that we are using the unit for different reason. Before I
bought my Archos, I did consider the Epson because of its name.
However, it is much thicker than the Archos unit. I don't think P-2000
can play MP3 either (which you may not need). I don't remember if it
can play video too.
I also considered about a cheap lap top, as for the same price you now
can get a whole computer.
Anyway, I am happy with the one I get. I splitted my photos into 2 main
folders... storage folder and viewing folder. The storage folder
contains the original photo files (large size). The viewing folder
contain reduced size photos (1024x800 or so), so that it can load the
photos fast for viewing and have good enough details for the LCD
screen. With a 120GB space, there is ample storage for both folders +
plus some MP3 files + video files. With an accessories DVR station, I
can even get some of my favourite TV program for viewing with my
Archos.
I even considered to get a Sony PSP, or a cheaper Radio Shack photo
viewer ( this one you have to put the photos in a CD) and play the
CD... or even a cheap DVD player. But again, my archos is compact and
can do all of those.
I believe Archos has a Texas Instrument processor engine and a Hitachi
hard drive in it. I know that I was worried about Archos name.Epson has
better reputation. But, so far is so good for me, and I am happy. I am
now busy scanning all my old and lifetime photos and dump them all in
my Archos. Of course, I also back them up in DVD and hard drive media.

Just a curiosity... if you just want to get storage more space while
shooting in the field... for $700, you can probably get 20 x 1 GB
camera storage cards! Are'nt they more convenient then bringing your
P-2000/5000 ? At the end of the day, you can downloaded all into your
lap top.

In Jan 24, 1:54 am, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
ray wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:35:35 -0500, TSKO wrote:


Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at them.
Mini laptop I guess.


Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?


It might be better to invest in one of the less expensive laptops
which are now available.It's not a laptop replacement.

When you're out in the field with your gear and shooting extensively, it's
nice to be able to perform safe and complete back-ups without lugging a
laptop with you, or having to find a place to boot it up. I merely stick
the card into the unit, start the backup (takes about 5 or 6 seconds) and
keep shooting with another card. -When the back-up finishes, the unit
shuts
off, and I can retrieve the card when I back up the next one. All this is
done with no break in shooting. I have a very lightweight laptop which
weighs only about 3.5 lbs, and yet its my Epson that comes with me into
the
field. If the laptop comes on the trip, it stays in my hotel (or tent)
while I'm out shooting, and is used for more serious review of the days
shots.

Not everyone needs portable storage, but for those of us that do, these
small and reliable units are of real benefit...especially when they fit
right into existing camera bags.

--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


Personally, the big reason for me wanting one is to be able to view the
photos while in the field. The screen on the back of the camera just doesnt
cut it. I could buy tons of cards and just put them to computer at the end
of the day, but I want to see what I am shooting.


  #18  
Old January 24th 07, 08:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David J Taylor
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Default Epson P-2000

We have an Epson P-2000 and have been delighted with it. Much more
convenient than a laptop, and ideal for sharing pictures with a few
friends. Plus the backup of your cards, of course.

David


  #19  
Old January 25th 07, 02:13 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
MarkČ
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Posts: 3,185
Default Epson P-2000

TSKO wrote:
Where can you get a new one for that amount? I would appreciate the
info.


Here ya go (at B&H...my favorite store on Earth):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

They're probably selling the last of their stock of them, as it's been
replaced...so if you want one, I wouldn't wait around too long.


(By the way... Can you tell I'm not a salesman?? -Talking you into buying
from THEM...rather than mine...)

I just figure if you can buy one there NEW...then I'd have to sell mine at
such a low price that I'd rather just keep it.

Take care,
MarkČ



"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
U can get a brand new one for $299? I have found refurb's for that
much, but not a new one.

I thank you for the offer, but I shall pass. No offense...but I
would have a hard time just sending someone a wad of cash...due to
the fact I dont know you. Again, no offense. I probably shouldnt
have even asked "how much".
I want the Epson over the Archos though...too many positves over
that one so I am willing to pay the extra cash for it.


The reason I mentioned that you can get a new one for $299 is
because if I were you, I'd probably just buy a new one...



"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their pictures
from their digital camera onto this device in order to look at
them. Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?

It is expensive, but it certainly isn't a "toy." -It's for a lot
more than simply "viewing pictures" though... It's a very useful
device in the field because it provides back-up of your image
files, which allows you to keep shooting on long trips where your
memory cards are insufficient, or where laptops are a problem to
lug along. I have both the P-2000 and the newer P-5000.

There is nothing more reassuring that knowing that while you keep
shooting, your other full card is being backed up onto your
device... Even more reassuring, you can view the shots on the
amazing screen to make sure everything is as it should be.

If you're interested, I'd consider selling my perfectly
functioning P-2000.
It's in perfect condition, and works extremely well.
The P-5000 is faster, but costs $700 smackers...



--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson



I am joking about the 'toy' part.

What are you willing to sell it for?

I don't know... Make me an offer I can't refuse... (minus the
horse's head, please...)
I wasn't planning to...but I realize that I don't use it any more,
now that I have the P-5000.

I don't know, though... I just checked, and you can still buy the
P-2000 new for $299.


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


  #20  
Old January 25th 07, 02:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
MarkČ
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Default Epson P-2000

George Kerby wrote:
Yeah. For that price, I might pick up a second unit.


Here's my post to TSKO, in case you miss it for some reason:
--
Here ya go (at B&H...my favorite store on Earth, BTW):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

They're probably selling the last of their stock of them, as it's been
replaced...so if you want one, I wouldn't wait around too long.


(By the way... Can you tell I'm not a salesman?? -Talking you into buying
from THEM...rather than mine...)

I just figure if you can buy one there NEW...then I'd have to sell mine at
such a low price that I'd rather just keep it.

Take care,
MarkČ




On 1/24/07 10:21 AM, in article
, "TSKO"
wrote:

Where can you get a new one for that amount? I would appreciate the
info.


"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
TSKO wrote:
U can get a brand new one for $299? I have found refurb's for that
much, but not a new one.

I thank you for the offer, but I shall pass. No offense...but I
would have a hard time just sending someone a wad of cash...due to
the fact I dont know you. Again, no offense. I probably shouldnt
have even asked "how much".
I want the Epson over the Archos though...too many positves over
that one so I am willing to pay the extra cash for it.

The reason I mentioned that you can get a new one for $299 is
because if I were you, I'd probably just buy a new one...



"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
"MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
message ...
TSKO wrote:
Does anyone have one of these? Something to take their
pictures from their digital camera onto this device in order
to look at them. Mini laptop I guess.

Anyways...thoughts on this little 'expensive' toy?

It is expensive, but it certainly isn't a "toy." -It's for a
lot more than simply "viewing pictures" though... It's a very
useful device in the field because it provides back-up of your
image files, which allows you to keep shooting on long trips
where your memory cards are insufficient, or where laptops are
a problem to lug along. I have both the P-2000 and the newer
P-5000.

There is nothing more reassuring that knowing that while you
keep shooting, your other full card is being backed up onto your
device... Even more reassuring, you can view the shots on the
amazing screen to make sure everything is as it should be.

If you're interested, I'd consider selling my perfectly
functioning P-2000.
It's in perfect condition, and works extremely well.
The P-5000 is faster, but costs $700 smackers...



--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson



I am joking about the 'toy' part.

What are you willing to sell it for?

I don't know... Make me an offer I can't refuse... (minus the
horse's head, please...)
I wasn't planning to...but I realize that I don't use it any more,
now that I have the P-5000.

I don't know, though... I just checked, and you can still buy the
P-2000 new for $299.


--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson

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