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Old November 5th 06, 05:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ol' Bab
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John McWilliams wrote:
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote:

Just curious if anybody knows techniques to substantially enhance
images taken under bad lighting or weather conditions.



Seriously, Alfred, there are dozens of ways with Photoshop to move
toward what I think you are getting at. Start with copying the bg layer,
and run a few layer mask adjustments onto the copy and see what you come
up with. Play with different opacity levels for those adjustments. Just
for starters.


Geez guys, don't make it so hard. I -almost routinely- jazz up dull-day
images. When you visit Old Aunt Em in Ohio, perhaps for the last time, and
the sun never shines all weekend, you do what pleases your audience.

Stretch the bright up till the highlights almost blow out, drag the low end
down to black, then play with the mid tones till it looks best. Perhaps
add a little saturation to the color. Warm up the white balance. Presto!
cloudy bright, altogether more cheerful.

Result is not art, but a throw-away snapshot is quite possibly transformed
into a treasured keepsake. What is the OP looking for? Maybe, just
exactly this.....

Ol' Bab
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Old November 6th 06, 06:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)
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Ol' Bab wrote:
John McWilliams wrote:

Alfred Molon wrote:

Just curious if anybody knows techniques to substantially enhance
images taken under bad lighting or weather conditions.


Seriously, Alfred, there are dozens of ways with Photoshop to move
toward what I think you are getting at. Start with copying the bg
layer, and run a few layer mask adjustments onto the copy and see what
you come up with. Play with different opacity levels for those
adjustments. Just for starters.


Geez guys, don't make it so hard. I -almost routinely- jazz up dull-day
images. When you visit Old Aunt Em in Ohio, perhaps for the last time,
and the sun never shines all weekend, you do what pleases your audience.

Stretch the bright up till the highlights almost blow out, drag the low
end down to black, then play with the mid tones till it looks best.
Perhaps add a little saturation to the color. Warm up the white
balance. Presto! cloudy bright, altogether more cheerful.

Result is not art, but a throw-away snapshot is quite possibly
transformed into a treasured keepsake. What is the OP looking for?
Maybe, just exactly this.....

Ol' Bab


The OP included changing skies from cloudy to blue, implying
extreme changes to an image. Changing from really bad light
to something great is possible but could take literally
dozens if not hundreds of hours (at least it would me).
Making lighting changes is very difficult and it is easy to
spot fakes. In my opinion, it is better to spend one's
time taking more pictures than faking the lighting on a bad
shot. Changing contrast, color balance and impact of a scene
is simple in comparison to what the OP asked for. That's why
I suggested the CSI plugin with a wink ;-).

Roger
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Old November 7th 06, 12:23 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:

Making lighting changes is very difficult and it is easy to
spot fakes.


Indeed. If you're going to replace a burnt out sky for example, it's far
more believable to use a correctly exposed sky from another shot taken at
the same time (and a similar angle) rather than one from a different day.

In my opinion, it is better to spend one's
time taking more pictures than faking the lighting on a bad
shot.


Absolutely. Or better still, spend more time over each photo to make sure
you get it right in the first place.

Sometimes I've been guilty of sloppy shooting, thinking that I could easily
fix it later, but it didn't take me long to realise that spending a few
extra minutes in the field can save a lot of time later. Post processing is
far more time intensive than simply getting it right when you take the shot,
and it's actually much easier, not to mention that you get a better quality
result.

Of course, if time is critical or you're shooting action, you may not have
that luxury, in which case post processing can be a life saver. In such
cases I generally cover my options by blasting off a number of different
exposures to be on the safe side, figuring that I can sort out the mess
later. At least digital shots cost nothing.

But if time's not an issue, I think it's better to take fewer shots and
spend more time over each one. Quality rather than quantity. But it doesn't
hurt to take a few extra extra exposures if there's any doubt.

Paul
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Old November 7th 06, 04:28 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)
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Paul Saunders wrote:

But if time's not an issue, I think it's better to take fewer shots and
spend more time over each one. Quality rather than quantity. But it doesn't
hurt to take a few extra extra exposures if there's any doubt.

Paul
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk


Paul,
I agree. Spectacular photos on your site. It really opened my
eyes to some amazing places to visit next time I get to the UK.

Roger
http://www.clarkvision.com
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Old November 7th 06, 07:58 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Roger N. Clark (change username
to rnclark) says...

spot fakes. In my opinion, it is better to spend one's
time taking more pictures than faking the lighting on a bad
shot.


Sure, but what do you do when the weather conditions are bad? Chongqing
is permanently covered by a thick layer of smog.
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Old November 7th 06, 08:05 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Alfred Molon" wrote:
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) says...

spot fakes. In my opinion, it is better to spend one's
time taking more pictures than faking the lighting on a bad
shot.


Sure, but what do you do when the weather conditions are bad? Chongqing
is permanently covered by a thick layer of smog.


Look for images in which the smog is a feature, not a problem. Look for
images that show man destroying his environment, or socialist realist stuff
in which the factories belching their smoke sing of a workers' paradise. If
you like Chongqing, show us why. As it is, warts and smog and all.

David J. Littleboy

Tokyo, Japan


  #47  
Old November 7th 06, 02:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Randall Ainsworth
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

Sure, but what do you do when the weather conditions are bad? Chongqing
is permanently covered by a thick layer of smog.


In this part of the country (Pacific NW), heavy overcast is often the
only choice of the day.
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Old November 7th 06, 03:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)
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Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Roger N. Clark (change username
to rnclark) says...

spot fakes. In my opinion, it is better to spend one's
time taking more pictures than faking the lighting on a bad
shot.


Sure, but what do you do when the weather conditions are bad? Chongqing
is permanently covered by a thick layer of smog.


Like David said, adapt to the conditions. If smog/haze is a problem, don't
do scenics. Get closer in where the distances from camera to subject
is small enough that haze is not a factor. That may mean street level
shots, or close-ups. In a park take pictures of a walkway, or
a macro of a flower. There are many possibilities beyond a grand
scenic. It's all about lighting. A hazy/overcast day can be great
for flowers. A very foggy/rainy day can be great for a local scenic (e.g.
a bridge, or a tree), but probably not a grand scenic of a whole city.

In cities like Los Angeles, the grand scenic post card shots are done
only on very rare clear days. Such days may occur only a couple of times
a year.

Roger
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Old November 7th 06, 06:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Paul Saunders
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Alfred Molon wrote:

Sure, but what do you do when the weather conditions are bad?
Chongqing is permanently covered by a thick layer of smog.


Isn't it less smoggy early in the morning?

What about sunset? Smog and haze increase the redness of the sun at sunset.
Why not try some dramatic silhouttes with the red sun behind?

Paul
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