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  #61  
Old February 28th 18, 06:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
ultred ragnusen
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Default A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either

PeterN wrote:

In my case, it mounted just fine - although Knoppix gave some weird errors
but I'm not too worried because after buying SATA and power cables, I now
have two terabyte HDDs in my laptop.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg


Your information is good. Years ago I learned the hard way to keep all
my data on a portable HDD, and back up regularly.


Do you own a car? Do you use battery-based wall-outlet-charged jumper
devices? What happens to those battery-based jumper devices in cold weather
or after 10 years? They suffer from the /same/ faults (even more of them)
than the car battery does, right?

Same thing here with external HDDs.

I have a dozen ten year old Zip drives and HDDs which suffer mainly from
worse faults than do my internal HDDs. For one, the ZIP drive data is lost
forever, because I don't even know how to get it back. For another, some of
the older HDDs suffer from proprietary power supplies, where if I lose the
cable or if the power supply goes bad, I'm hosed. For another, a HDD can
EASILY get corrupted. If I haven't mentioned that yet, just unplug it after
backing up hundreds of megabytes, and then cry (as I did) when you can't
fnid the data except by Recuva, where all the files are flat and the names
are all missing their first character (don't ask me why - just ask me why I
cried).

So I gave uip on external USB-connected HDDs as a backup because they're
even /less/ reliable than the internal HDDs are.

So what's left?
DVD is left.

I guess, when SSD gets to the price of DVD, it will win since you only
write once to SSD, but SSD will fail if it uses a proprietary power supply.

To change the topic slightly: It seems to me that the quality of service
at the Windows store is a few notches below what it was abut a year ago.


I thought the QOS was about the same as at the Apple store when I brought
iPads to them which didn't get anywhere near the range of WiFi that my
Android phones got - and they were worthless.

All the Apple store could do was run bull**** diagnostics which simply
teste that iOS was working - which wasn't the problem (because lack of
radio reception is a hardware problem).

They had absolutely zero real diagnostics that you can't run yourself -
where it seems that the Microsoft Retail Store was similar.
  #62  
Old February 28th 18, 07:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:41:16 -0500, PeterN
wrote:


Your information is good. Years ago I learned the hard way to keep all
my data on a portable HDD, and back up regularly.




Why do you want it on a portable HD? I don't agree with that. All it
does is slow down access to it.



... and back up regularly.



But I strongly agree with that.
  #63  
Old February 28th 18, 07:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
PeterN[_7_]
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Default A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windowswithout installing anything on either

On 2/28/2018 12:45 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
PeterN wrote:

In my case, it mounted just fine - although Knoppix gave some weird errors
but I'm not too worried because after buying SATA and power cables, I now
have two terabyte HDDs in my laptop.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg


Your information is good. Years ago I learned the hard way to keep all
my data on a portable HDD, and back up regularly.


Do you own a car? Do you use battery-based wall-outlet-charged jumper
devices? What happens to those battery-based jumper devices in cold weather
or after 10 years? They suffer from the /same/ faults (even more of them)
than the car battery does, right?

Same thing here with external HDDs.

I have a dozen ten year old Zip drives and HDDs which suffer mainly from
worse faults than do my internal HDDs. For one, the ZIP drive data is lost
forever, because I don't even know how to get it back. For another, some of
the older HDDs suffer from proprietary power supplies, where if I lose the
cable or if the power supply goes bad, I'm hosed. For another, a HDD can
EASILY get corrupted. If I haven't mentioned that yet, just unplug it after
backing up hundreds of megabytes, and then cry (as I did) when you can't
fnid the data except by Recuva, where all the files are flat and the names
are all missing their first character (don't ask me why - just ask me why I
cried).

So I gave uip on external USB-connected HDDs as a backup because they're
even /less/ reliable than the internal HDDs are.

So what's left?
DVD is left.

I guess, when SSD gets to the price of DVD, it will win since you only
write once to SSD, but SSD will fail if it uses a proprietary power supply.

To change the topic slightly: It seems to me that the quality of service
at the Windows store is a few notches below what it was abut a year ago.


I thought the QOS was about the same as at the Apple store when I brought
iPads to them which didn't get anywhere near the range of WiFi that my
Android phones got - and they were worthless.

All the Apple store could do was run bull**** diagnostics which simply
teste that iOS was working - which wasn't the problem (because lack of
radio reception is a hardware problem).

They had absolutely zero real diagnostics that you can't run yourself -
where it seems that the Microsoft Retail Store was similar.


We all have different needs. DVD would not work very well for me. The
largest DVD is about 8.5G. My data is mostly photos. The RAW file, out
of the camera is either 20MB, or 33MB, depending on which camera I am
using. Once I start processing, I have to struggle to keep some of the
files under 2G. A portable HDD runs off the laptops power. They are all
industrious standard USB3. If that becomes obsolete, and I lose the
connection cords, the data loss is my fault. But, with proper backups,
and attention to what is going on, technology wise, my system will work
just fine for me.

YMMV

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  #64  
Old February 28th 18, 07:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_2_]
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 09:37:26 -0800, ultred ragnusen
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

May I presume to ask if "any" RAID method is useful in the home
environment, where all you really care about is safety of your data?



Not as far as I'm concerned. You get safety through backup.\


I see that now, thanks.



You're welcome. Glad to help.



The biggest problem with backup is that I have been burned by backing up to
HDD, which are sort of like having a battery backup to a battery, where
both suffer the same failings under the same conditions.



Were you burned by having backed up to an *internal* HD? As far as I'm
concerned, that's better than no backup at all, but just barely. Both
the original and the backup are vulnerable to simultaneous loss by
user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, even theft of the
computer.


So I like to backup to DVD, which has the main problem of data being larger
than 4.7 GB in toto.




DVDs are external media, so they are better than an internal hard
drive, but they are very vulnerable to failure. As far as I'm
concerned, much better is one or more external hard drives;
alternating between two is great.
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Old February 28th 18, 07:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
PeterN[_7_]
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On 2/28/2018 1:00 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:41:16 -0500, PeterN
wrote:


Your information is good. Years ago I learned the hard way to keep all
my data on a portable HDD, and back up regularly.




Why do you want it on a portable HD? I don't agree with that. All it
does is slow down access to it.


When I'm traveling with my laptop, my choices are portable HDD, or a
bunch of easily lost memory cards. Yes, it is not ideal, but it works
for me.




... and back up regularly.



But I strongly agree with that.



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  #66  
Old February 28th 18, 07:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , ultred ragnusen
wrote:

The biggest problem with backup is that I have been burned by backing up to
HDD, which are sort of like having a battery backup to a battery, where
both suffer the same failings under the same conditions.


nonsense, and you're assuming only one single backup.

a good backup strategy includes multiple backups, with at least one off
site, so *not* the same conditions at all.

So I like to backup to DVD, which has the main problem of data being larger
than 4.7 GB in toto.


dvds are less reliable than hds and a major pain in the ass to use.

So the way I'll get around that will be to create a bunch of 4,482,269
kilobyte size-limited NTFS folders (using Veracrypt). Once any of those
folders gets filled with data, I'll burn it and move on to the next folder
(which keeps the data from growing too large for backup).


good luck when files can't be split up and even more good luck trying
to update it all any time anything changes.
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Old February 28th 18, 07:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , ultred ragnusen
wrote:


I have a dozen ten year old Zip drives and HDDs which suffer mainly from
worse faults than do my internal HDDs. For one, the ZIP drive data is lost
forever, because I don't even know how to get it back.


zip never was reliable.

For another, some of
the older HDDs suffer from proprietary power supplies, where if I lose the
cable or if the power supply goes bad, I'm hosed


open the enclosure and pull the mechanism.

. For another, a HDD can
EASILY get corrupted. If I haven't mentioned that yet, just unplug it after
backing up hundreds of megabytes,


no it doesn't.

and then cry (as I did) when you can't
fnid the data except by Recuva, where all the files are flat and the names
are all missing their first character (don't ask me why - just ask me why I
cried).


if that's the case, then recuva is garbage.
  #68  
Old February 28th 18, 07:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

Your information is good. Years ago I learned the hard way to keep all
my data on a portable HDD, and back up regularly.


Why do you want it on a portable HD? I don't agree with that. All it
does is slow down access to it.


nonsense.

many portable hds are *faster* than desktop hds.
  #69  
Old February 28th 18, 10:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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Default A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either

Ken Blake wrote:

The biggest problem with backup is that I have been burned by backing up to
HDD, which are sort of like having a battery backup to a battery, where
both suffer the same failings under the same conditions.



Were you burned by having backed up to an *internal* HD? As far as I'm
concerned, that's better than no backup at all, but just barely.


I have never backed up to an /internal/ HDD, where I've been burned aplenty
by backing up to strange media (e.g., ZIP drives of the past) and to
removable media (e.g., USB sticks and USB drives) which tend to corrupt
themselves on Windows if you simply look at them askance.

Both
the original and the backup are vulnerable to simultaneous loss by
user error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, even theft of the
computer.


Theft and lightning aren't a problem here in the hills above the Silicon
Valley, but a virus could easily be a problem with an internal HDD.

So I like to backup to DVD, which has the main problem of data being larger
than 4.7 GB in toto.


DVDs are external media, so they are better than an internal hard
drive, but they are very vulnerable to failure. As far as I'm
concerned, much better is one or more external hard drives;
alternating between two is great.


What I like about DVD is that it doesn't require power to work, where the
power connectors of some of my HDDs (the older ones) is a PITA to
reproduce. Sure, I could disassemble the case and see what's inside and
then use the SATA/PATA/IDE to USB, but that still doesn't negate the fact
that Windows eats up the file system when/if you unplug it in a way that
Windows doesn't like (ask me how I know this).

If SSD gets to the price of DVD, that would be the next option, I would
think. One problem with bulk DVDs is that Costco doesn't sell the stack of
100 anymore... Sigh.
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Old February 28th 18, 10:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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PeterN wrote:

They are all industrious standard USB3.


I've had really back luck with corruption if I pull the cord out while
Windows thinks it should be connected, where the /entire/ HDD is corrupted.

The data was still there - but it had to be recovered - the last time using
Recuva - but it has happened multiple times.

So I _hate_ those removable media HDDs.

But, as you said, we each have our own needs...
 




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