$1800 full frame dSLR within 18 months?

wrote:

edited, for brevity

Pentax made the ultimate in compact SLR cameras (the Auto110 and Super
Auto110), that should have been the model to emulate, (at least
size-wise) for a smaller sensor camera.
Even the Olympus Pen-F (half-frame 35mm SLR) is much smaller than an
Evolt.
Here is a side-by-side picture showing their relative sizes:
http://members.iinet.com.au/~therealm/dj_nme/compared_2.jpg
Don't forget that the two outer cameras have a sensor (film or CCD)
that is pretty much the same size.


Hello,

A relative gave me a Pentax Auto110, a few months ago. I haven't used
it, yet, but it's a very cute camera; a digital version of it would be
rather intriguing, in my opinion.


Cordially,
John Turco

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:54:20 -0400, John Turco wrote:

wrote:

edited, for brevity

Pentax made the ultimate in compact SLR cameras (the Auto110 and Super
Auto110), that should have been the model to emulate, (at least
size-wise) for a smaller sensor camera.
Even the Olympus Pen-F (half-frame 35mm SLR) is much smaller than an
Evolt.
Here is a side-by-side picture showing their relative sizes:
http://members.iinet.com.au/~therealm/dj_nme/compared_2.jpg
Don't forget that the two outer cameras have a sensor (film or CCD)
that is pretty much the same size.


Hello,

A relative gave me a Pentax Auto110, a few months ago. I haven't used
it, yet, but it's a very cute camera; a digital version of it would be
rather intriguing, in my opinion.


Cordially,
John Turco
The film is none too easy to get now.
--
Neil
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"just bob" kilbyfan@aoldotcom writes:

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If this was a math question on the SATs, most students would notice the
pattern, and probably write "$1800" in that blank space beside 2008!

Probably 100% correct, but and I can't see them allowing a FF to fall below
$1800 for a further five years because any lower and people would not buy
those EF-S lenses.

Read the Canon full frame paper, the answer is burried in there. A big
drop in FF prices wont be on until the chip industry moves to bigger
stepper reticle size from the current 25x35 or so. Watch your semitech
news bullitins for the next step.

This is no unlikley BTW, yeild managment is getting very good, and
being able to stich a load of cache and several cores on one chip is a
big plus.

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Neil Ellwood wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:54:20 -0400, John Turco wrote:

wrote:

edited, for brevity

Pentax made the ultimate in compact SLR cameras (the Auto110 and Super
Auto110), that should have been the model to emulate, (at least
size-wise) for a smaller sensor camera.
Even the Olympus Pen-F (half-frame 35mm SLR) is much smaller than an
Evolt.
Here is a side-by-side picture showing their relative sizes:
http://members.iinet.com.au/~therealm/dj_nme/compared_2.jpg
Don't forget that the two outer cameras have a sensor (film or CCD)
that is pretty much the same size.


Hello,

A relative gave me a Pentax Auto110, a few months ago. I haven't used
it, yet, but it's a very cute camera; a digital version of it would be
rather intriguing, in my opinion.


Cordially,
John Turco
The film is none too easy to get now.
--
Neil
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Hello, Neil:

True, but, 110 film is still being made and sold, at least. The same
can't be said, for 126 and several other formats.


Cordially,
John Turco

In article . com,
wrote:

Prices of dSLR cameras have been going down precipitously. Just to put
things in perspective, consider how fast things changed in a few short
years:

(APS-C cropped dSLR):

1998 $15,000 (Kodak DCS520)
1999 $5,500 (Nikon D1)
2000 $3,000 (Canon D30)
2002 $2,000 (Canon D60)
2003 $900 (Canon 300D)


Now look at how the prices for a full frame dSLRs:

2002 $8,000 (Canon 1Ds)
2005 $3,300 (Canon 5D)
2006 $2,650 (Canon 5D today)
2007 ???
2008 ??

If this was a math question on the SATs, most students would notice the
pattern, and probably write "$1800" in that blank space beside 2008!

My first monaural VCR cost me $500 back in 1986. Hold off for long
enough and everything will come down in price. But in the meantime, what
do you do? Should I have not bought a 3mpxl Sony back in 2001 for $900?

In article ,
John Turco wrote:

wrote:

edited, for brevity

Pentax made the ultimate in compact SLR cameras (the Auto110 and Super
Auto110), that should have been the model to emulate, (at least
size-wise) for a smaller sensor camera.
Even the Olympus Pen-F (half-frame 35mm SLR) is much smaller than an
Evolt.
Here is a side-by-side picture showing their relative sizes:
http://members.iinet.com.au/~therealm/dj_nme/compared_2.jpg
Don't forget that the two outer cameras have a sensor (film or CCD)
that is pretty much the same size.


Hello,

A relative gave me a Pentax Auto110, a few months ago. I haven't used
it, yet, but it's a very cute camera; a digital version of it would be
rather intriguing, in my opinion.

You haven't used it yet?

Obviously you're spend way too much time in front of the pooter and not
enough time behind the lens...

Stewy wrote:
You haven't used it yet?

Obviously you're spend way too much time in front of the pooter and not
enough time behind the lens...
Why on earth would anyone want to use a 110 camera?

Scott

In article .com,
"Scott W" wrote:

Stewy wrote:
You haven't used it yet?

Obviously you're spend way too much time in front of the pooter and not
enough time behind the lens...
Why on earth would anyone want to use a 110 camera?

Why indeed, but as he said - ...yet, so I was asking.

Scott W wrote:

Stewy wrote:
You haven't used it yet?

Obviously you're spend way too much time in front of the pooter and not
enough time behind the lens...
Why on earth would anyone want to use a 110 camera?

Scott


Hello, Scott:

Indeed, except that the Pentax Auto110 is one of the world's few SLR
cameras of the 110 format, and the only one featuring interchangeable
lenses, which I also happen to own.

As to Stewy's question: Last March, I bought my first 35mm SLR -- a
brand-new, clearance-priced ($69.99USD), Pentax ZX-60 kit; it came
bundled with a 28mm F3.5-80mm F5.6 lens and a carrying case.

I haven't even tried out the ZX-60, either! It's not a matter of my
spending "way too much time in front of the pooter," yet has more to do
with the hassles (and expenses) relating to film photography. Digital is
infinitely more convenient and affordable, and my Kodak digicams have
combined to shoot well over 2,000 pictures, this year, alone.

Those Pentax SLR's may continue going unused, but they were simply too
cheap, to resist. g


Cordially,
John Turco

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:20:43 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote
(in article ):

With an APS-C sensor you get a lot more reach with your telephotos, and if
they can lower noise levels I could see sticking with a smaller sensor and
carrying around less glass.

No, you do not get a lot more reach. You just get cropping for free.

Not with an EF-S lens - which is what I meant about carrying around less
glass.

Let's face it - reduced DOF isn't always your friend, and both sensor sizes
have both their advantages and disadvantages.

As for cropping: if you're using an EF lens and your APS-C sensor has 62.5%
the pixels of your FF, yeah you've been cropped. If the pixel count is the
same, you really haven't been - you've just been using the optically sweetest
part of the image :-).