horses for courses

android wrote:
In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

I'd toss the Windows and use Linux. That is twice as true if you
are comfortable writing shell scripts for things you do repeatedly.

If you are interested in Linux you can give it a try in Oracle Virtual
Box, before you dedicate a computer for it.

Better would be to simply boot any of the many live DVD
distribution disks.

That would give you a very limited Linux experience. To the point of
pointless, since you can't install the applications that you desire nor
tailor your work environment...

Actuall it isn't hard at all to install applications when using
a live DVD.

Yes you can use those DVDs to install Linux. Have the OP erase his
Windows system with all his personal files just run Gimp under Linux!
That dissertation won't rewrite itself... :-p

Don't be silly, it isn't amusing.

Giving Linux a try with a live DVD, and instally applications not on
the DVD, is not at all difficult. It isn't something that needs to
be explained in detail here though.

Regardless, the OP said he was quite familiar with Linux, so this
entire discussion is without value.

He has also chosen to stay on Windows...

Read what he said. The new machine is going to run Linux.
He is willing to keep Windows on it too, if necessary.

It isn't necessary.

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Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

He has also chosen to stay on Windows...

Read what he said. The new machine is going to run Linux.

Thats not what I read. Whatever, The OP should know...

The Gimp is BTW just an eight bit editor gear up for webdesign and it is
available for Windows.
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In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

He has also chosen to stay on Windows...

Read what he said. The new machine is going to run Linux.

Thats not what I read. Whatever, The OP should know...

The Gimp is BTW just an eight bit editor geared up for webdesign and it
is
available for Windows.
--
teleportation kills

android wrote:
In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

He has also chosen to stay on Windows...

Read what he said. The new machine is going to run Linux.

Thats not what I read. Whatever, The OP should know...

"I'm prepared to consider not deleting Windows 8 from
the new laptop when it arrives and I install Linux on
it." --

He is only considering keeping Windows, and will install
Linux. A very reasonable path to follow.

The Gimp is BTW just an eight bit editor gear up for webdesign and it is
available for Windows.

The functionality of ImageMagick tools, UFRAW, and GIMP
is significantly enhanced on a Linux platform (if things
like KDE are avoided and a reasonable window manager is
used).

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On 2015-05-15, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
android wrote:
In article , (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
In article , (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

I'd toss the Windows and use Linux. That is twice as true if you
are comfortable writing shell scripts for things you do
repeatedly.

If you are interested in Linux you can give it a try in Oracle
Virtual Box, before you dedicate a computer for it.

Better would be to simply boot any of the many live DVD distribution
disks.

That would give you a very limited Linux experience. To the point of
pointless, since you can't install the applications that you desire
nor tailor your work environment...

Actuall it isn't hard at all to install applications when using a live
DVD.

Regardless, the OP said he was quite familiar with Linux, so this
entire discussion is without value.

Just to be absolutely clear, I've been using Linux for 'everything' for
more than ten years. The last time I used Windows was just before
Microsoft ended 'support' for 98SE.

Cross-platform software is fine. Linux-only is no problem.
Windows-only might be tolerable if it's good enough to justify the
effort. Mac-only isn't practical for me (but I recommend Mac systems to
anyone who needs to ask for a recommendation).

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On 2015-05-15, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whiskers wrote:

"Lightroom" and "Darktable" look interesting. Has anyone here actually
used either of them?

lightroom is excellent asset manager, raw converter, image editor and
export tool. it's one of the most highly regarded photo apps.

darktable is not. it's not even close to what lightroom can do.

I hesitate to mention it, but GIMP has a plugin "ufraw". Has anyone
here used that successfully?

some have used it successfully but not with a non-destructive workflow.
it's also slow.

Thanks for your comments.

I've always practiced 'safe hex' - never edit the original!

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On 2015-05-15, PeterN wrote:
On 5/15/2015 5:07 AM, Whiskers wrote:

[...]

YOu have several low cost options for Windows.

Use a trial version of any of them, and see which one you are more
comfortable with. There are free tutorials to help you get started.

Photoshop Essentials

Corel Paint Shop Pro.

Both are fairly easy to learn, and both are quite suitable for beginners.

I have tried Gimp, but for me, the futz factor puts it out of the running.

Thank you for your comments.

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On 2015-05-15, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-05-15 09:07:42 +0000, Whiskers said:

OK, clearly a mistake to expect anything useful to come from a mention
of a certain web forum sigh.

What forum would that be?

"The Register". Mention of that name seems to trigger responses which
aren't useful.

I'm an amateur. I have one digital camera that can record RAW files (a
Fujifilm XF1) and I'd like to learn. I do not want to pay a lot for
software that may be far more than I need, and I definitely don't want
to get stuck into a monthly fee payment for something I might not use as
often as that.

The camera came with a CD containing proprietary software provided by
the maker and presumably more or less well matched to the features of
the camera. I haven't used that yet, as for at least a few more days I
won't have a computer with a compatible operating system (and the
existing hardware is ten years old too).

If anyone has anything useful to say about the Fuji software, it would
be appreciated if they could say it here. Even if it contains no
invective.

Basic, awkward, & lacking.

I rather thought that might be so.

"Lightroom" and "Darktable" look interesting. Has anyone here actually
used either of them?

I have recently bought a Fujifilm X-E2, and Fuji is currently
collaborating with Adobe. The current edition of Lightroom, LR6 does
not require a subscription, and provides all the features you need for
processing RAF files and more.
Here is an example shot with the X-E2 and processed with Lightroom:
http://adobe.ly/1L6pqlX

The only problem I can see for you regarding this solution, is
Lightroom is not supported by Linux, only Win & OSX. So unless you
intend switching operating systems it is not going to be any help to
you. I am not going to argue the merits of any OS. I was just answering
your question with rgard to Lightroom. All the choices and options are
yours to make.

Looks like a short-list candidate )

I hesitate to mention it, but GIMP has a plugin "ufraw". Has anyone
here used that successfully?

Floyd should be able to provide all the information you need with
regard to GIMP & ufraw.

Hitherto I have used GIMP for some basic image manipulations. I've also
toyed with "ImageMagick"

Any other suggestions?

I'm comfortable using Linux, command line and GUI; I'm prepared to
consider not deleting Windows 8 from the new laptop when it arrives and
I install Linux on it.




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On 2015-05-15, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
android wrote:
In article ,
(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:

He has also chosen to stay on Windows...

Read what he said. The new machine is going to run Linux.

Thats not what I read. Whatever, The OP should know...

"I'm prepared to consider not deleting Windows 8 from
the new laptop when it arrives and I install Linux on
it." --

He is only considering keeping Windows, and will install
Linux. A very reasonable path to follow.

The Gimp is BTW just an eight bit editor gear up for webdesign and it is
available for Windows.

The functionality of ImageMagick tools, UFRAW, and GIMP
is significantly enhanced on a Linux platform (if things
like KDE are avoided and a reasonable window manager is
used).

Thanks )

I've been using Xfce since version 3.

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-- Whiskers
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Whiskers wrote:
On 2015-05-15, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
android wrote:
In article , (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

android wrote:
In article , (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

I'd toss the Windows and use Linux. That is twice as true if you
are comfortable writing shell scripts for things you do
repeatedly.

If you are interested in Linux you can give it a try in Oracle
Virtual Box, before you dedicate a computer for it.

Better would be to simply boot any of the many live DVD distribution
disks.

That would give you a very limited Linux experience. To the point of
pointless, since you can't install the applications that you desire
nor tailor your work environment...

Actuall it isn't hard at all to install applications when using a live
DVD.

Regardless, the OP said he was quite familiar with Linux, so this
entire discussion is without value.

Just to be absolutely clear, I've been using Linux for 'everything' for
more than ten years. The last time I used Windows was just before
Microsoft ended 'support' for 98SE.

Cross-platform software is fine. Linux-only is no problem.
Windows-only might be tolerable if it's good enough to justify the
effort. Mac-only isn't practical for me (but I recommend Mac systems to
anyone who needs to ask for a recommendation).

Exactly!

Which window manager do you use? I've been using FVWM2
since it came out (FVWM before that). I use 15 virtual
terminals, several of which are devoted to web browsers.
All but a couple of them run an XTERM with a command
line. Several are devoted to image processing.

But I don't do that on a laptop either... Not enough
umph and not enough disk for the work that I do.

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Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)