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Old March 1st 07, 07:18 PM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
Julien BH
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- A list of material I'll need
- Some general advices on development if you can
- The price of the needed equipment (an approx. will do)

Thanks so much
Julien

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Old March 1st 07, 07:58 PM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
David Nebenzahl
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

Julien BH spake thus:

I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- A list of material I'll need
- Some general advices on development if you can
- The price of the needed equipment (an approx. will do)


I hope you realize you've opened a potential can of worms here.

This is like asking "what should I look for when buying a car?", or
something equally broad. So you're gonna get a lot of answers, some
conflicting.

What I'm gonna do is lay out the *minimal* stuff you need to develop photos.

First of all, some assumptions and explanations:

1. We're talking black & white here, not color.
2. "Developing photos" actually is 2 separate processes: developing film
(producing a negative), and making a print from the negative.
3. For the sake of discussion, let's assume 35mm film here, which is the
most likely format. (Let us know if you're planning on using something
different.)

1. Developing film:

You need:

o A tank and reel: comes as a set. Holds the film in the dark in the
appropriate chemical bath.
o A dark place to load the tank. This could be a closet or any dark room
(but it's got to be *totally* dark, not just kinda dark). Once the tank
is loaded, you can do processing "in daylight".
o A can opener to open the film cassette.
o A good thermometer. Best is a glass photo thermometer. Next best would
be a dial photo thermometer. You need to know the temperature of the
developer.
o Chemicals:

- Film developer: D-76 (in the US) or ID-11 (in the UK) is an excellent
starting point and will work with any B&W film. There are lots of other
developers here, but as I said, I'm trying to keep this simple.
- Film fixer: the appropriate Kodak or Ilford product, available at any
good photo supply store.
- Stop bath is OPTIONAL. You can buy photo stop bath, or you can use
dilute white vinegar (1:4), but it's not necessary.
- Some way to hang the film up to dry. 2 clothespins work fine, one at
the bottom to weight the roll of film.


2. Making prints:
This is more complicated. You need:

o A darkroom. Just a dark room with enough space for all the stuff below.
o An enlarger. Lots available on the used market now that everyone's
going digital. Good makes are Omega, Durst, Beseler. The main thing that
makes the difference in quality is the lens.
o Photographic paper.
o An "easel", something to hold the paper. If you don't have one, you
can tape the paper to the baseboard or use some other arrangement.
o An electric/electronic timer. If you don't have one, you can use a
stopwatch, but you won't get very repeatable results.
o Developing trays, at least as large as the largest print you want to
make. 8x10" is a good starting point.
o A safelight, a reddish/orangish light that you can use in the dark to
see what you're doing.
o Print tongs, so you don't have to put your bare hands in the trays.
o Chemicals:

- print developer: Kodak Dektol is by far the most common choice here.
- print fixer: Kodak or Ilford
- stop bath (OPTIONAL as above). This mainly protects the fixer from
being polluted by developer, and doesn't affect print quality.

o A tray to wash prints in.
o Some way to hang prints to dry. If you use RC (resin coated) instead
of FB (fiber-based) paper, you can just hang them to dry on a line with
clothespins.


COST:
Rather than give you an exhaustive cost estimate, let me just say that
you can get everything except the paper and chemicals CHEAP, since "wet"
photography is being abandoned on a large scale. Check local papers,
your local Craigslist if you have one, garage sales, school bulletin
boards, or eBay.

The other stuff (paper & chemicals) isn't terribly expensive. Expect to
pay about $20-30 for a box (100 sheets) of 8x10 paper.

DISCLAIMER
Remember, this is the *minimal* list of stuff you need. It won't
necessarily produce gallery-quality prints, but it will enable you to
have a lot of fun. Others will probably chime in with a lot of stuff
about "wash aids" (hypo clearing agent), filters for variable-contrast
printing, etc., etc. The sky's the limit when spending money on this
activity. But it can be done successfully on the cheap, too.


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Old March 1st 07, 08:11 PM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
David Nebenzahl
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

Julien BH spake thus:

I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- Some general advices on development if you can


Regarding this, there's a very useful resource on the Web, the Massive
Dev (development) Chart: http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html

It gives times for (alomst) any film/developer combination.

DISCLAIMER: The times given there are *starting points* and may need to
be adjusted for your particular circumstance. But if you follow them,
your photos will definitely "come out" (you'll get a usable negative to
print from).

I also left out something you'll need for film development, whic is a
timer. You need a minute timer of some kind. An egg timer or other type
of kitchen timer will work, or you can use a watch with a sweep second hand.


--
Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating
like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a
variorum text that would be put up on that site.

It is a WASTE OF TIME.

- Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan_Ellison)
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Old March 1st 07, 08:41 PM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
Geoffrey S. Mendelson
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

David Nebenzahl wrote:


Excelent answer. I'd like to make one comment:


- Film developer: D-76 (in the US) or ID-11 (in the UK) is an excellent


Both developers (actually the equivalent formula from two manufacturers)
are powders that need to be mixed in advance. Starting out you probably
want to buy a liquid developer. It will have to be diluted before use,
but that's just careful measuring and mixing.


Ilford used to have a pdf file describing the whole process for someone
who is starting from zero, look around, I think it's still there.

Geoff.

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Old March 2nd 07, 12:35 AM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
Gregory Blank
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

In article .com,
"Julien BH" wrote:

I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- A list of material I'll need
- Some general advices on development if you can
- The price of the needed equipment (an approx. will do)

Thanks so much
Julien


For B&W

Chemicals;

Film developer (of choice)
Stop bath ( dilute acetic acid)
Fixer,...rapid fixer

Developing tank for roll films
Or a cut sheet film tank if you lack a darkroom.
You can use tray for sheet film in a darkroom.

Changing bag to load film into tank if you lack a darkroom,

Accurate thermometer for determining the chemistry temperatures.

A stop watch or or egg timer for timing the process steps.

Lastly the Film Developing Cookbook By my friend Steve Anchell
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Old March 2nd 07, 02:43 AM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
Ken Hart
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Default What do I need to develop photos?


"Julien BH" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- A list of material I'll need
- Some general advices on development if you can
- The price of the needed equipment (an approx. will do)

Thanks so much
Julien

You might want to get some catologs-- one that comes to mind is Porters
Camera Store-- many offer begining darkroom kits. I probably wouldn't buy
the kit (or maybe yes), but they usually list what comes in the kit.


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Old March 2nd 07, 03:10 AM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
G- Blank
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

In article , "Ken Hart" wrote:

"Julien BH" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- A list of material I'll need
- Some general advices on development if you can
- The price of the needed equipment (an approx. will do)

Thanks so much
Julien

You might want to get some catologs-- one that comes to mind is Porters
Camera Store-- many offer begining darkroom kits. I probably wouldn't buy
the kit (or maybe yes), but they usually list what comes in the kit.


If your not going to buy it why would you care if they list what's in
it? g


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Old March 2nd 07, 06:06 AM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
Ken Hart
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Default What do I need to develop photos?


"G- Blank" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Hart" wrote:

"Julien BH" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm a newbie at photo development, so I'm looking for some advices on
what I'd need to buy to do that.

- A list of material I'll need
- Some general advices on development if you can
- The price of the needed equipment (an approx. will do)

Thanks so much
Julien

You might want to get some catologs-- one that comes to mind is Porters
Camera Store-- many offer begining darkroom kits. I probably wouldn't buy
the kit (or maybe yes), but they usually list what comes in the kit.


If your not going to buy it why would you care if they list what's in
it? g



For example, the kits usually include graduated cylinders, which it a fancy,
more expensive name for the measuring cups in the housewares department in
WalMart.
The enlarger they may include is the one that sells the worst, so they have
to find a way to unload a couple. And even if you do buy that enlarder, the
first thing you might do is remove the lens, use it for a hockey puck, and
get a good one on eBay! (After all, an enlarger is just a machine for
projecting a negative; it just has to be sturdy and have a good lens)
They will usually also include a contact printing frame, which is also know
as a piece of glass...
The kits are usually a good starting point, but if a newie is on a budget,
he can kludge together half the stuff in the kit. (Is "kludge" a verb...
wait, let me check Wikipedia!)


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Old March 2nd 07, 06:53 AM posted to rec.photo.darkroom
David Nebenzahl
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Default What do I need to develop photos?

Ken Hart spake thus:

The kits are usually a good starting point, but if a newie is on a budget,
he can kludge together half the stuff in the kit. (Is "kludge" a verb...
wait, let me check Wikipedia!)


Please; it's "kluge", not "kludge". "Kludge" rhymes with "fudge".
"Kluge" rhymes with "centrifuge".

(Another argument I'm on the losing end of. BUT I'M RIGHT!)


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Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating
like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a
variorum text that would be put up on that site.

It is a WASTE OF TIME.

- Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan_Ellison)
 




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