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Savageduck insisted
On 2015-07-28 19:36:35 +0000, Savageduck said:
On 2015-07-28 18:29:55 +0000, Bill W said: On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 05:41:45 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-28 07:25:49 +0000, Bill W said: Okay, I was forced to post some air show photos: ;-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/489821...7654121813454/ Comments are welcome, but on the processing, of course. They're just planes in the sky, not much you can do with those as far as composition goes. Don't worry about that. It looks as though you were positioned near the end of the runway where all the planes were on final approach. You had some interesting captures. Yes, right outside the base. The shots of the "Buffs" B-52s reminded me of the days in the 60's and 70s, when at about 3 PM-4:30 PM everyday, there was an endless stream of B-52s overhead on the approach to Griffiss AFB returning from their SAC mission, Anyway, all work was done in LR, all photos were cropped, and all had at least some of the following adjustments: color temp, exposure, shadows, highlights, clarity, vibrance, saturation, and sharpening, and one photo used the haze removal slider (the one with the sun in the upper right corner). Those are the things I'm interested in comments on. I see after posting them that there is noise in the sky in some of them. I really need to look into that, but it might just be aggressive sharpening. I also failed to remove spots in a couple of the photos. I do need to learn to clean those lenses... There are some shots which have great potential; The F-16, The F-18, the F-86 (that has some highlight clipping which needs fixing), and The F-22. I am not clear on the ID of one of the older fighters, but I think it is either an F-80, or an F-94. Also the B-52 & B-1B are impressive, but need some dust spot clean up. I did overlook various spots in some photos. You say some shots have potential, but did any of them look okay as finished photos? My opinion was that a couple of them did, but others were just sloppy work. Certainly there were quite a few which were fine as presented. The deciding factor is your intent for presentation. Those would be fine for online viewing via Flickr, but might need a whole bunch of adjustment and cleaning up for print. Here I was thinking particularly of the F-86, the F-18, and F-22 shots. The P-51 shot was spoilt by the sun flare. That's the one I used the dehazing slider on. It actually worked wonders (it was a borderline delete photo), and I sort of like the effect. Have you tried it on any photos yet? I though it gave this photo a sort of artsy look. I ahve tried it on a few landscapes with atmospheric haze. However, I was not particularly happy with the results as the changes to contrast were not particularlylocalized, but total. That seems to deepen saturation and I don't like that after having made adjustments in the Basic panel. On to LR Post. Are these RAW or JPEG originals? Raw. I never touch the jpegs anymore. I'll probably just go to raw only in the camera settings. Great! Spots (dust spots anyway) are more likely to be on the sensor than the lens. It is worth learning how to clean the sensor if you are using a DSLR or a mirrorless system. There were spots on the lens, but I did notice that there might be other problems. Unfortunately, it looked more like pixel size, which worries me. Most lens dust is not going to show on the image unless it is plastered on. Sensor dust spots are quite typical and easily recognized once you are familiar with them. This might help. Select the Spot removal tool, then under the workspace you will see "Visualize Spots", check that box and you will see what those pesky spots really look like. Here is what that looks like in a 2005 shot with my D70 (AKA "The Dust Magnet") https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_235.jpg ...and the cleaned up version. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_236.jpg ...and the cropped & cleaned final result, that is the dust battle field where I learned my sensor cleaning https://db.tt/XKRfzt31 Most of those can be addressed in post. Where I bothered, they came out easily. Good. Since you are using LR for post remember that all adjustments are non-destructive and reversable and can always be revisited and tweaked. Obviously, you are using a workflow you are comfortable with but here is a little input from me . In LR my RAW workflow goes something like this: 1: Set "Camera Calibration". 2: Check "Lens Correction" which includes correcting CA, zoomed in to 1:1 on contrast edges/fringes. 3: "Basic" panel: a: Set Black Point, with the cursor on the "Blacks" slider, hold down the alt/Option key, then adjust until you have one or two areas of black spots on the white background. b: Set White point, repeat the procedure above. c: Check highlights the same way sliding to the left until hot spots dissapear and clipping is dealt with. For the following the alt/Option key technique isn't used. d: Clarity, adjust for taste but don't over do. e: Shadows, sliding to right is going to open up some of the shadow detail without adjusting exposure. f: Exposure, tweak if needed. g: Contrast, Tweak if needed. h: WB (Temp, & Tint), Tweak if needed. 4: "Detail" a: Sharpening, again use the alt/Option key while moving the slider to the right to between 60-115. Then do the same with Radius, setting from 1.0-1.5. Finally with Masking hold down the alt/Option key and slide to the right, usually to 80-95 so that only the area needing sharpening is sharpened. b: Noise, pick an area of sky and zoom in to 1:1, hold down the alt/Option key and the image will apear grey. If you see any noise move the luminance slider to the right usually somewhere between 25-40. FINALLY crop to finish. I'll give all this a try - there's a few things in there that I wasn't even aware of - maybe doing some over again. I also think that some of them ended up looking a bit HDR-ish, and I think it's because I overdid the shadow adjustment. And why do you crop only at the end? Just habit. BTW: This is an extreme example of why AF-C and multi-AF point 3D tracking can work to save a capture. This was an 8 frame burst with a fast right to left pass which was completed in 2.25 seconds. I was doing my best to hold to center, but not everything goes to plan. This shows where the AF point was when lock was made. Without the 51 point AF matrix I would have been SOL. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_238.jpg ....and here is the cropped final result after LR processing. https://db.tt/tEtHO81e -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 7/28/15 PDT 5:41 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-07-28 07:25:49 +0000, Bill W said: Okay, I was forced to post some air show photos: ;-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/489821...7654121813454/ Comments are welcome, but on the processing, of course. They're just planes in the sky, not much you can do with those as far as composition goes. Don't worry about that. It looks as though you were positioned near the end of the runway where all the planes were on final approach. You had some interesting captures. The shots of the "Buffs" B-52s reminded me of the days in the 60's and 70s, when at about 3 PM-4:30 PM everyday, there was an endless stream of B-52s overhead on the approach to Griffiss AFB returning from their SAC mission, Anyway, all work was done in LR, all photos were cropped, and all had at least some of the following adjustments: color temp, exposure, shadows, highlights, clarity, vibrance, saturation, and sharpening, and one photo used the haze removal slider (the one with the sun in the upper right corner). Those are the things I'm interested in comments on. I see after posting them that there is noise in the sky in some of them. I really need to look into that, but it might just be aggressive sharpening. I also failed to remove spots in a couple of the photos. I do need to learn to clean those lenses... There are some shots which have great potential; The F-16, The F-18, the F-86 (that has some highlight clipping which needs fixing), and The F-22. I am not clear on the ID of one of the older fighters, but I think it is either an F-80, or an F-94. Also the B-52 & B-1B are impressive, but need some dust spot clean up. The P-51 shot was spoilt by the sun flare. On to LR Post. Are these RAW or JPEG originals? Spots (dust spots anyway) are more likely to be on the sensor than the lens. It is worth learning how to clean the sensor if you are using a DSLR or a mirrorless system. Most of those can be addressed in post. Since you are using LR for post remember that all adjustments are non-destructive and reversable and can always be revisited and tweaked. Obviously, you are using a workflow you are comfortable with but here is a little input from me . In LR my RAW workflow goes something like this: 1: Set "Camera Calibration". 2: Check "Lens Correction" which includes correcting CA, zoomed in to 1:1 on contrast edges/fringes. 3: "Basic" panel: a: Set Black Point, with the cursor on the "Blacks" slider, hold down the alt/Option key, then adjust until you have one or two areas of black spots on the white background. b: Set White point, repeat the procedure above. c: Check highlights the same way sliding to the left until hot spots dissapear and clipping is dealt with. For the following the alt/Option key technique isn't used. d: Clarity, adjust for taste but don't over do. e: Shadows, sliding to right is going to open up some of the shadow detail without adjusting exposure. f: Exposure, tweak if needed. g: Contrast, Tweak if needed. h: WB (Temp, & Tint), Tweak if needed. 4: "Detail" a: Sharpening, again use the alt/Option key while moving the slider to the right to between 60-115. Then do the same with Radius, setting from 1.0-1.5. Finally with Masking hold down the alt/Option key and slide to the right, usually to 80-95 so that only the area needing sharpening is sharpened. b: Noise, pick an area of sky and zoom in to 1:1, hold down the alt/Option key and the image will apear grey. If you see any noise move the luminance slider to the right usually somewhere between 25-40. FINALLY crop to finish. Nice and clear. What happens if you crop first? |
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On 2015-07-29 02:05:05 +0000, John McWilliams said:
On 7/28/15 PDT 5:41 AM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-28 07:25:49 +0000, Bill W said: Okay, I was forced to post some air show photos: ;-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/489821...7654121813454/ Comments are welcome, but on the processing, of course. They're just planes in the sky, not much you can do with those as far as composition goes. Don't worry about that. It looks as though you were positioned near the end of the runway where all the planes were on final approach. You had some interesting captures. The shots of the "Buffs" B-52s reminded me of the days in the 60's and 70s, when at about 3 PM-4:30 PM everyday, there was an endless stream of B-52s overhead on the approach to Griffiss AFB returning from their SAC mission, Anyway, all work was done in LR, all photos were cropped, and all had at least some of the following adjustments: color temp, exposure, shadows, highlights, clarity, vibrance, saturation, and sharpening, and one photo used the haze removal slider (the one with the sun in the upper right corner). Those are the things I'm interested in comments on. I see after posting them that there is noise in the sky in some of them. I really need to look into that, but it might just be aggressive sharpening. I also failed to remove spots in a couple of the photos. I do need to learn to clean those lenses... There are some shots which have great potential; The F-16, The F-18, the F-86 (that has some highlight clipping which needs fixing), and The F-22. I am not clear on the ID of one of the older fighters, but I think it is either an F-80, or an F-94. Also the B-52 & B-1B are impressive, but need some dust spot clean up. The P-51 shot was spoilt by the sun flare. On to LR Post. Are these RAW or JPEG originals? Spots (dust spots anyway) are more likely to be on the sensor than the lens. It is worth learning how to clean the sensor if you are using a DSLR or a mirrorless system. Most of those can be addressed in post. Since you are using LR for post remember that all adjustments are non-destructive and reversable and can always be revisited and tweaked. Obviously, you are using a workflow you are comfortable with but here is a little input from me . In LR my RAW workflow goes something like this: 1: Set "Camera Calibration". 2: Check "Lens Correction" which includes correcting CA, zoomed in to 1:1 on contrast edges/fringes. 3: "Basic" panel: a: Set Black Point, with the cursor on the "Blacks" slider, hold down the alt/Option key, then adjust until you have one or two areas of black spots on the white background. b: Set White point, repeat the procedure above. c: Check highlights the same way sliding to the left until hot spots dissapear and clipping is dealt with. For the following the alt/Option key technique isn't used. d: Clarity, adjust for taste but don't over do. e: Shadows, sliding to right is going to open up some of the shadow detail without adjusting exposure. f: Exposure, tweak if needed. g: Contrast, Tweak if needed. h: WB (Temp, & Tint), Tweak if needed. 4: "Detail" a: Sharpening, again use the alt/Option key while moving the slider to the right to between 60-115. Then do the same with Radius, setting from 1.0-1.5. Finally with Masking hold down the alt/Option key and slide to the right, usually to 80-95 so that only the area needing sharpening is sharpened. b: Noise, pick an area of sky and zoom in to 1:1, hold down the alt/Option key and the image will apear grey. If you see any noise move the luminance slider to the right usually somewhere between 25-40. FINALLY crop to finish. Nice and clear. What happens if you crop first? Nothing. It is just my peculiar habit to crop to finish. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:29:35 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 7/28/2015 3:25 AM, Bill W wrote: Okay, I was forced to post some air show photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/489821...7654121813454/ Comments are welcome, but on the processing, of course. They're just planes in the sky, not much you can do with those as far as composition goes. Anyway, all work was done in LR, all photos were cropped, and all had at least some of the following adjustments: color temp, exposure, shadows, highlights, clarity, vibrance, saturation, and sharpening, and one photo used the haze removal slider (the one with the sun in the upper right corner). Those are the things I'm interested in comments on. I see after posting them that there is noise in the sky in some of them. I really need to look into that, but it might just be aggressive sharpening. I also failed to remove spots in a couple of the photos. I do need to learn to clean those lenses... What look are you trying to achieve. Try playing with levels /curves on a separate layer. Judicious use will cause your image to really pop. http://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/when-to-use-levels-or-curves-in-photoshop/ There are also some neat free tutorials on youtube. I wasn't trying to achieve any look, just hoping to get proper looking photos. They're just a bunch of planes flying around, but I was hoping that a couple of those images did pop, and thought at least a couple of them did. Many of them clearly didn't, but I at least wanted to get the WB, saturation, & exposure looking right. I do have PS, but I'm not using it much anymore, unless I need to do things that LR cannot do at all. I finally understand why people use LR. I used to just do what I needed to the raw file, and then save it as a tiff. Then one day I saw how large those tiff files really are - almost 10x the size of the original raw in some cases, and the light bulb went on. No more, unless absolutely necessary. |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:25:30 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: BTW: This is an extreme example of why AF-C and multi-AF point 3D tracking can work to save a capture. This was an 8 frame burst with a fast right to left pass which was completed in 2.25 seconds. I was doing my best to hold to center, but not everything goes to plan. This shows where the AF point was when lock was made. Without the 51 point AF matrix I would have been SOL. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_238.jpg ...and here is the cropped final result after LR processing. https://db.tt/tEtHO81e What is 3D tracking? My problem at this air show location with all those focus points is that it will start focusing on the power lines, trees, mountains, clouds, etc. Does it mean that it tries to track objects that are at a consistent distance? My Pentax does not have that option, so it might be moot anyway. |
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In article , Bill W
wrote: What is 3D tracking? My problem at this air show location with all those focus points is that it will start focusing on the power lines, trees, mountains, clouds, etc. Does it mean that it tries to track objects that are at a consistent distance? My Pentax does not have that option, so it might be moot anyway. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And...i4lx/3d-focus- tracking.html An invaluable feature for sports, action and wildlife photography, 3D focus tracking, available in select Nikon D-SLRs, automatically shifts the focus point to follow the movement of the subject. With the shutter release pressed halfway, you'll see in the viewfinder the lens continuously maintain focus as the subject moves. However, maintaining focus doesn't guarantee a sharp image, as there is a short time lag between the release of the shutter and the capture of the picture. To solve this problem, the focus tracking system is a predictive system that uses special algorithms to forecast the position of the subject at the moment the image is captured. The prediction is based on a measurement of the subject's movement and speed. |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:05:08 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: What is 3D tracking? My problem at this air show location with all those focus points is that it will start focusing on the power lines, trees, mountains, clouds, etc. Does it mean that it tries to track objects that are at a consistent distance? My Pentax does not have that option, so it might be moot anyway. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And...i4lx/3d-focus- tracking.html An invaluable feature for sports, action and wildlife photography, 3D focus tracking, available in select Nikon D-SLRs, automatically shifts the focus point to follow the movement of the subject. With the shutter release pressed halfway, you'll see in the viewfinder the lens continuously maintain focus as the subject moves. However, maintaining focus doesn't guarantee a sharp image, as there is a short time lag between the release of the shutter and the capture of the picture. To solve this problem, the focus tracking system is a predictive system that uses special algorithms to forecast the position of the subject at the moment the image is captured. The prediction is based on a measurement of the subject's movement and speed. Okay, not exactly what I was thinking. If I use too many focus points, I too often end up focused on the wrong subject, but with too few, I lose the subject too easily after I lock onto it. It's just a matter of practice, I suppose. |
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In article , Bill W
wrote: What is 3D tracking? My problem at this air show location with all those focus points is that it will start focusing on the power lines, trees, mountains, clouds, etc. Does it mean that it tries to track objects that are at a consistent distance? My Pentax does not have that option, so it might be moot anyway. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And...i4lx/3d-focus- tracking.html An invaluable feature for sports, action and wildlife photography, 3D focus tracking, available in select Nikon D-SLRs, automatically shifts the focus point to follow the movement of the subject. With the shutter release pressed halfway, you'll see in the viewfinder the lens continuously maintain focus as the subject moves. However, maintaining focus doesn't guarantee a sharp image, as there is a short time lag between the release of the shutter and the capture of the picture. To solve this problem, the focus tracking system is a predictive system that uses special algorithms to forecast the position of the subject at the moment the image is captured. The prediction is based on a measurement of the subject's movement and speed. Okay, not exactly what I was thinking. If I use too many focus points, I too often end up focused on the wrong subject, but with too few, I lose the subject too easily after I lock onto it. It's just a matter of practice, I suppose. it depends on the focusing mode and given situation. no one mode is best in all cases, which is why there is more than one mode. here's a description of the various mode: https://photographylife.com/dslr-autofocus-modes-explained |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:42:06 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2015-07-28 23:29:35 +0000, PeterN said: On 7/28/2015 3:25 AM, Bill W wrote: Okay, I was forced to post some air show photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/489821...7654121813454/ Comments are welcome, but on the processing, of course. They're just planes in the sky, not much you can do with those as far as composition goes. Anyway, all work was done in LR, all photos were cropped, and all had at least some of the following adjustments: color temp, exposure, shadows, highlights, clarity, vibrance, saturation, and sharpening, and one photo used the haze removal slider (the one with the sun in the upper right corner). Those are the things I'm interested in comments on. I see after posting them that there is noise in the sky in some of them. I really need to look into that, but it might just be aggressive sharpening. I also failed to remove spots in a couple of the photos. I do need to learn to clean those lenses... What look are you trying to achieve. Try playing with levels /curves on a separate layer. Judicious use will cause your image to really pop. http://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/when-to-use-levels-or-curves-in-photoshop/ There are also some neat free tutorials on youtube. You might have noticed that Bill is doing all his post in Lightroom. While you have a tone curve adjustment panel in LR it does not provide the same level of flexibility as curves and levels in PS. In may cases, you can achieve much the same results by playing around with 'whites' and 'blacks' to adjust the end points (as in levels) and 'highlights' and 'shadows' (as in manipulating the image as with a 'S' curve). However you can't do any of the really peculiar things you can do when manipulating a curve in a really complex way. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Savageduck insisted
On 2015-07-29 02:58:50 +0000, Bill W said:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:25:30 -0700, Savageduck wrote: BTW: This is an extreme example of why AF-C and multi-AF point 3D tracking can work to save a capture. This was an 8 frame burst with a fast right to left pass which was completed in 2.25 seconds. I was doing my best to hold to center, but not everything goes to plan. This shows where the AF point was when lock was made. Without the 51 point AF matrix I would have been SOL. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_238.jpg ...and here is the cropped final result after LR processing. https://db.tt/tEtHO81e What is 3D tracking? My problem at this air show location with all those focus points is that it will start focusing on the power lines, trees, mountains, clouds, etc. Does it mean that it tries to track objects that are at a consistent distance? My Pentax does not have that option, so it might be moot anyway. That is a Nikon DSLR feature. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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