D80 - high ISO noise

ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html

Totally invalid, meaningless test.

"frederick" wrote in message
news:1155181010.174568@ftpsrv1...
ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html

frederick wrote:
ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html

Amazing! Images taken with a camera that has not even been released
yet! (And it is not scheduled for release for another month.)

Maybe you would like to see the terrible color balance, noise, and
purple fringing in my test shots with the Canon 1DS Mark III? Or the
Hasselblad 1D-82? Or any other non-existent camera.

frederick wrote:
ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html

The pixels are 1/3 smaller than the D50. No surprise if there is more
noticeable noise
at 1600 ISO.

frederick wrote:
ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html


I thought the D80 shot is brighter and indeed, it's shot at 1/20sec and
the A100 shot is 1/40sec. The test is invalid and as they have the same
sensor, the result should not be that drastically different.

Bill wrote:
cjcampbell wrote:

frederick wrote:
ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html

Amazing! Images taken with a camera that has not even been released
yet! (And it is not scheduled for release for another month.)

Pre-production samples have been in the hands of select people for a
while. Where do you think sample photos for Nikon brochures, and online
tests get their info?

And you honestly think that these photographs were produced by some of
these "select people?"

If these photographs were taken with a D80, lets see some proof.

According to Alan Browne :
frederick wrote:
ISO 1600 sample image he
http://www.photo-cafe.jp/scoop/archi...0/d80_1600.JPG
d80 / a100 samples at various ISO he
http://photo-cafe.jp/scoop/index.html

No EXIF? No real idea where this is from

Download the image and check it out.

From the one whose URL was given first:


================================================== ====================
ExifTool Version Number : 5.05
File Name : d80_1600.JPG
File Size : 4763KB
File Type : JPEG
Make : NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model Name : NIKON D80
Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
Software : Ver.1.00
Date/Time Of Last Modification : 2006:08:01 15:19:16
Shutter Speed : 1/20
Aperture : 3.5
Exposure Program : Program AE
ISO Speed : 1600
Exif Version : 0221
Shooting Date/Time : 2006:08:01 15:19:16
Date/Time Of Digitization : 2006:08:01 15:19:16
Components Configuration : YCbCr
Compressed Bits Per Pixel : 4
Exposure Compensation : 0
Max Aperture Value : 3.5
Metering Mode : Multi-segment
Flash : No Flash
Focal Length : 18.0mm
File System Version : 2.10
Color Mode : Color
Quality : Fine
White Balance : Auto
Focus Mode : AF-S
Flash Setting : Normal
Flash Type :
White Balance Fine Tune : 0
Color Balance 1 : 1.21484 2.24219 1 1
Compression : JPEG (old-style)
X Resolution : 300
Y Resolution : 300
Resolution Unit : inches
Preview Image Start : 3720
Preview Image Length : 25188
Y Cb Cr Positioning : Co-sited
Flash Exposure Compensation : 0.0
ISO Setting : 1600
Image Boundary : 0 0 3872 2592
Flash Exposure Bracket Value : 0.0
Exposure Bracket Value : 0
Tone Comp : Auto
Lens Type : G
Lens : 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6
Flash Mode : Did Not Fire
AF Point : Single Area, Center
Shooting Mode : Single-Frame
Lens F Stops : 5.33
Color Hue : Mode1a
Light Source : Natural
Hue Adjustment : 0
Noise Reduction : Off
Color Balance Unknown : 0208[...]
Shutter Count : 502
Image Optimization : Normal
Vari Program :
User Comment :
Sub Sec Time : 90
Sub Sec Time Original : 90
Sub Sec Time Digitized : 90
Flashpix Version : 0100
Color Space : sRGB
Exif Image Width : 3872
Exif Image Length : 2592
Interoperability Index : R98
Interoperability Version : 0100
Sensing Method : One-chip color area
File Source : Digital Camera
Scene Type : Directly photographed
CFA Pattern : [Green,Blue][Red,Green]
Custom Rendered : Normal
Exposure Mode : Auto
Digital Zoom Ratio : 1
Focal Length In 35mm Format : 27
Scene Capture Type : Standard
Gain Control : High gain up
Contrast : Normal
Saturation : Normal
Sharpness : Normal
Subject Distance Range : Unknown (0)
Thumbnail Offset : 29048
Thumbnail Length : 8658
Image Width : 3872
Image Height : 2592
Aperture : 3.5
Image Size : 3872x2592
Lens : 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 G
Preview Image : (Binary data 25188 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Scale Factor To 35mm Equivalent : 1.5
Shutter Speed : 1/20
Shooting Date/Time : 2006:08:01 15:19:16.90
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 8658 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Focal Length : 18.0mm (35mm equivalent: 27.0mm)
================================================== ====================

And from one of the others (daylight cityscape which wanted to download as just
"nikon.jpg"):


================================================== ====================
ExifTool Version Number : 5.05
File Name : nikon-999.JPG
File Size : 3679KB
File Type : JPEG
Make : NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model Name : NIKON D80
Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
Software : Ver.1.00
Date/Time Of Last Modification : 2006:07:30 15:23:15
Shutter Speed : 1/320
Aperture : 9.0
Exposure Program : Program AE
ISO Speed : 100
Exif Version : 0221
Shooting Date/Time : 2006:07:30 15:23:15
Date/Time Of Digitization : 2006:07:30 15:23:15
Components Configuration : YCbCr
Compressed Bits Per Pixel : 4
Exposure Compensation : 0
Max Aperture Value : 3.9
Metering Mode : Multi-segment
Flash : No Flash
Focal Length : 24.0mm
File System Version : 2.10
Color Mode : Color
Quality : Fine
White Balance : Auto
Focus Mode : AF-S
Flash Setting : Normal
Flash Type :
White Balance Fine Tune : 0
Color Balance 1 : 1.875 1.3125 1 1
Compression : JPEG (old-style)
X Resolution : 300
Y Resolution : 300
Resolution Unit : inches
Preview Image Start : 3720
Preview Image Length : 25042
Y Cb Cr Positioning : Co-sited
Flash Exposure Compensation : 0.0
ISO Setting : 100
Image Boundary : 0 0 3872 2592
Flash Exposure Bracket Value : 0.0
Exposure Bracket Value : 0
Tone Comp : Auto
Lens Type : G
Lens : 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6
Flash Mode : Did Not Fire
AF Point : Single Area, Center
Shooting Mode : Single-Frame
Lens F Stops : 5.33
Color Hue : Mode1a
Light Source : Natural
Hue Adjustment : 0
Noise Reduction : Off
Color Balance Unknown : 8080.@84( 80. .[...]
Shutter Count : 366
Image Optimization : Normal
Vari Program :
User Comment :
Sub Sec Time : 50
Sub Sec Time Original : 50
Sub Sec Time Digitized : 50
Flashpix Version : 0100
Color Space : sRGB
Exif Image Width : 3872
Exif Image Length : 2592
Interoperability Index : R98
Interoperability Version : 0100
Sensing Method : One-chip color area
File Source : Digital Camera
Scene Type : Directly photographed
CFA Pattern : [Green,Blue][Red,Green]
Custom Rendered : Normal
Exposure Mode : Auto
Digital Zoom Ratio : 1
Focal Length In 35mm Format : 36
Scene Capture Type : Standard
Gain Control : None
Contrast : +2
Saturation : Normal
Sharpness : Normal
Subject Distance Range : Unknown (0)
Thumbnail Offset : 28900
Thumbnail Length : 8899
Image Width : 3872
Image Height : 2592
Aperture : 9.0
Image Size : 3872x2592
Lens : 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 G
Preview Image : (Binary data 25042 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Scale Factor To 35mm Equivalent : 1.5
Shutter Speed : 1/320
Shooting Date/Time : 2006:07:30 15:23:15.50
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 8899 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Focal Length : 24.0mm (35mm equivalent: 36.0mm)
================================================== ====================

How much more do you need?

And yes -- they *are* JPGs, not BMPs as was suggested earlier.

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Alan Browne wrote:
No EXIF? No real idea where this is from


I don't know why you can't read exif - seems to be intact. Of course
there is no "proof" it isn't forged.
The D80 / a100 comparisons aren't particularly interesting due to the
large difference in exposure, and unless you can read japanese on the
other link, no idea what NR settings were used in camera etc.


Filename : d80_16001.JPG
JFIF_APP1 : Exif
Main Information
Make : NIKON CORPORATION
Model : NIKON D80
Orientation : left-hand side
XResolution : 300/1
YResolution : 300/1
ResolutionUnit : Inch
Software : Ver.1.00
DateTime : 2006:08:01 15:19:16
YCbCrPositioning : co-sited
ExifInfoOffset : 216
Sub Information
ExposureTime : 1/20Sec
FNumber : F3.5
ExposureProgram : Program Normal
ISOSpeedRatings : 1600
ExifVersion : 0221
DateTimeOriginal : 2006:08:01 15:19:16
DateTimeDigitized : 2006:08:01 15:19:16
ComponentConfiguration : YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel : 4/1 (bit/pixel)
ExposureBiasValue : EV0.0
MaxApertureValue : F3.5
MeteringMode : Division
LightSource : Unidentified
Flash : Not fired
FocalLength : 18.00(mm)
MakerNote : Nikon COOLPIX Format : 28044Bytes (Offset:860)
UserComment :
SubSecTime : 90
SubSecTimeOriginal : 90
SubSecTimeDigitized : 90
FlashPixVersion : 0100
ColorSpace : sRGB
ExifImageWidth : 3872
ExifImageHeight : 2592
ExifInteroperabilityOffset : 28896
SensingMethod : OneChipColorArea sensor
FileSource : DSC
SceneType : A directly photographed image
CFAPattern : 8 Bytes
CustomRendered : Normal process
ExposureMode : Auto
WhiteBalance : Auto
DigitalZoomRatio : 1/1
FocalLength(35mm) : 27(mm)
SceneCaptureType : Standard
GainControl : High gain up
Contrast : Normal
Saturation : Normal
Sharpness : Normal
SubjectDistanceRange : Unknown
ExifR98
ExifR : R98
Version : 0100
Thumbnail Information
Compression : OLDJPEG
XResolution : 300/1
YResolution : 300/1
ResolutionUnit : Inch
JPEGInterchangeFormat : 29036
JPEGInterchangeFormatLength : 8658
YCbCrPositioning : co-sited

frederick wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
No EXIF? No real idea where this is from


I don't know why you can't read exif - seems to be intact. Of course
there is no "proof" it isn't forged.

Exactly. Anyone can change EXIF data.

1) There are no D80s in the hands of the general public.

2) None of the credible reviewers seem to have a D80 yet.

3) Anyone publishing pictures like that could pretty well be guaranteed
to never be allowed near a preview copy of a new Nikon again.

4) The pictures have been processed, as noted by others, so even if
they were taken with a D80 we have no idea what was done to them in the
interim or what the settings were.

Without further evidence that these photographs are genuine and
untampered with they should be simply dismissed out of hand.

frederick wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

No EXIF? No real idea where this is from


I don't know why you can't read exif - seems to be intact.

I DL'd the photo as shown and loaded into PS Elements. All EXIF fields
were blank. That may be a shortcoming of PS Elements, OTOH, I DL files
from elsewhere and the EXIF are intact. That was not the case with this
image at the link provided.

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