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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
On 2020-09-06 09:17, Neil wrote:
On 9/5/2020 10:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote: On 2020-09-05 08:55, Neil wrote: I think some definitions have changed from the days of film. The digital idea of "full frame" makes no sense in the physical size of film frames. So, I take it to mean that it retains the full _perspective_ of a lens rather than the cropped view that an APS-C sensor would normally yield. Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames. If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an ASP-C sensor. Full frame is 36x24mm. FF digital sensors are typically within less than a mm of that size. The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm. Digital cameras can employ any size of course and APS-C is a very good compromise in getting lens sizes down while rendering high quality results (though that's not why it was introduced). |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
In article , Alan Browne
wrote: Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames. If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an ASP-C sensor. Full frame is 36x24mm. FF digital sensors are typically within less than a mm of that size. The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm. film is slightly less than 36x24mm due to slide mounts and negative carriers. being within a fraction of a millimeter is insignificant. |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
On 2020-09-06 12:51, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames. If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an ASP-C sensor. Full frame is 36x24mm. FF digital sensors are typically within less than a mm of that size. The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm. film is slightly less than 36x24mm due to slide mounts and negative carriers. I have film here that is exposed to 36x24mm pretty much exactly, perhaps even slightly over that. Carriers are irrelevant to that in most senses - esp. in my scanners which scan to greater than that. being within a fraction of a millimeter is insignificant. No ****. The point was to illustrate to Neil that today's FF sensors are nominally equal to a 35mm film frame. -- "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages." -Samuel Clemens |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
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says... Probably he damaged the skis beyond repair or even needed multiple pairs of skis to finish the video. Ever hear of omelets? You mean this? https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=omelets What does that have to do with skis? -- Alfred Molon Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at https://groups.io/g/myolympus https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
On 9/6/2020 9:47 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2020-09-06 09:17, Neil wrote: On 9/5/2020 10:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote: On 2020-09-05 08:55, Neil wrote: I think some definitions have changed from the days of film. The digital idea of "full frame" makes no sense in the physical size of film frames. So, I take it to mean that it retains the full _perspective_ of a lens rather than the cropped view that an APS-C sensor would normally yield. Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames. If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an ASP-C sensor. Full frame is 36x24mm.Â* FF digital sensors are typically within less than a mm of that size.Â* The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm. Digital cameras can employ any size of course and APS-C is a very good compromise in getting lens sizes down while rendering high quality results (though that's not why it was introduced). You have, again, misunderstood my comment. An APS-C sensor (and many other digital sensors) is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the "35mm full-frame" size. There is NO correlation between them. Ergo, the "full frame" reference is to something other than sensor size. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg/1200px-Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg.png -- best regards, Neil |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
On Sep 6, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com): In , says... Probably he damaged the skis beyond repair or even needed multiple pairs of skis to finish the video. Ever hear of omelets? You mean this? https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=omelets What does that have to do with skis? Sometimes a metaphor, hinted at, can be lost in translation. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_can%27t_make_an_omelette_without_breaking_eggs -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
In article , Neil
wrote: I think some definitions have changed from the days of film. The digital idea of "full frame" makes no sense in the physical size of film frames. So, I take it to mean that it retains the full _perspective_ of a lens rather than the cropped view that an APS-C sensor would normally yield. Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames. If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an ASP-C sensor. Full frame is 36x24mm.* FF digital sensors are typically within less than a mm of that size.* The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm. Digital cameras can employ any size of course and APS-C is a very good compromise in getting lens sizes down while rendering high quality results (though that's not why it was introduced). You have, again, misunderstood my comment. An APS-C sensor (and many other digital sensors) is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the "35mm full-frame" size. not true. aps-c is approximately half the area of full frame, equating to a one stop difference. nikon dx: 24x16mm nikon fx: 24x36mm smartphone cameras are what's 'not even close'. There is NO correlation between them. Ergo, the "full frame" reference is to something other than sensor size. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg/1200px-Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg.png if it's something other than sensor size, why show a link that only shows sensor size? the term full frame dates back to the 1950s, long before digital, which used half frame to double the number of exposures on a roll of film. https://www.olympus-global.com/techn...roducts/pen/pe n/ The Pen is a half-frame film camera that uses 35mm film. The first-generation Olympus Pen camera appeared in 1959. |
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Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF
On 9/6/2020 2:08 PM, nospam wrote:
not true. aps-c is approximately half the area of full frame, equating to a one stop difference. I don't knwo what you are referring to, but I have never seen the image frame size change with a change of f-stop. your other question about reference to "other than size", I answered it in my original response, so there is no need to repeat it. -- best regards, Neil |
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