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Old September 6th 20, 02:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

On 2020-09-06 09:17, Neil wrote:
On 9/5/2020 10:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2020-09-05 08:55, Neil wrote:


I think some definitions have changed from the days of film. The
digital idea of "full frame" makes no sense in the physical size of
film frames. So, I take it to mean that it retains the full
_perspective_ of a lens rather than the cropped view that an APS-C
sensor would normally yield.


Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames.

If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an
ASP-C sensor.


Full frame is 36x24mm. FF digital sensors are typically within less
than a mm of that size. The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm.

Digital cameras can employ any size of course and APS-C is a very good
compromise in getting lens sizes down while rendering high quality
results (though that's not why it was introduced).
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Old September 6th 20, 03:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

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Another, really well done video (not Neistat): Also 1080p ish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYQUB-RLLc

Probably he damaged the skis beyond repair or even needed
multiple pairs of skis to finish the video.
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Old September 6th 20, 04:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

On 2020-09-06 10:45, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article ,
says...
Another, really well done video (not Neistat): Also 1080p ish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYQUB-RLLc

Probably he damaged the skis beyond repair or even needed
multiple pairs of skis to finish the video.


Ever hear of omelets?

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Old September 6th 20, 05:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames.

If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an
ASP-C sensor.


Full frame is 36x24mm. FF digital sensors are typically within less
than a mm of that size. The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm.


film is slightly less than 36x24mm due to slide mounts and negative
carriers.

being within a fraction of a millimeter is insignificant.
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Old September 6th 20, 06:09 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2020-09-06 12:51, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames.

If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an
ASP-C sensor.


Full frame is 36x24mm. FF digital sensors are typically within less
than a mm of that size. The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm.


film is slightly less than 36x24mm due to slide mounts and negative
carriers.


I have film here that is exposed to 36x24mm pretty much exactly, perhaps
even slightly over that. Carriers are irrelevant to that in most senses
- esp. in my scanners which scan to greater than that.


being within a fraction of a millimeter is insignificant.


No ****. The point was to illustrate to Neil that today's FF sensors
are nominally equal to a 35mm film frame.


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Old September 6th 20, 06:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

In article ,
says...

Probably he damaged the skis beyond repair or even needed
multiple pairs of skis to finish the video.


Ever hear of omelets?


You mean this?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=omelets

What does that have to do with skis?
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Old September 6th 20, 06:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

On 9/6/2020 9:47 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2020-09-06 09:17, Neil wrote:
On 9/5/2020 10:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2020-09-05 08:55, Neil wrote:


I think some definitions have changed from the days of film. The
digital idea of "full frame" makes no sense in the physical size of
film frames. So, I take it to mean that it retains the full
_perspective_ of a lens rather than the cropped view that an APS-C
sensor would normally yield.

Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames.

If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an
ASP-C sensor.


Full frame is 36x24mm.Â* FF digital sensors are typically within less
than a mm of that size.Â* The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm.

Digital cameras can employ any size of course and APS-C is a very good
compromise in getting lens sizes down while rendering high quality
results (though that's not why it was introduced).

You have, again, misunderstood my comment. An APS-C sensor (and many
other digital sensors) is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the "35mm full-frame" size.
There is NO correlation between them. Ergo, the "full frame" reference
is to something other than sensor size.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg/1200px-Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg.png

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Old September 6th 20, 06:58 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

On Sep 6, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in . com):

In ,
says...

Probably he damaged the skis beyond repair or even needed
multiple pairs of skis to finish the video.


Ever hear of omelets?


You mean this?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=omelets

What does that have to do with skis?


Sometimes a metaphor, hinted at, can be lost in translation.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_can%27t_make_an_omelette_without_breaking_eggs

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Old September 6th 20, 07:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

In article , Neil
wrote:

I think some definitions have changed from the days of film. The
digital idea of "full frame" makes no sense in the physical size of
film frames. So, I take it to mean that it retains the full
_perspective_ of a lens rather than the cropped view that an APS-C
sensor would normally yield.

Fullframe still means 35mm film sized frames.

If so, what is the "frame" in a digital camera? It certainly is not an
ASP-C sensor.


Full frame is 36x24mm.* FF digital sensors are typically within less
than a mm of that size.* The Sony a7 III for example is 35.6 x 23.8mm.

Digital cameras can employ any size of course and APS-C is a very good
compromise in getting lens sizes down while rendering high quality
results (though that's not why it was introduced).

You have, again, misunderstood my comment. An APS-C sensor (and many
other digital sensors) is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the "35mm full-frame" size.


not true. aps-c is approximately half the area of full frame, equating
to a one stop difference.

nikon dx: 24x16mm
nikon fx: 24x36mm

smartphone cameras are what's 'not even close'.

There is NO correlation between them. Ergo, the "full frame" reference
is to something other than sensor size.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg/1200px-Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg.png


if it's something other than sensor size, why show a link that only
shows sensor size?

the term full frame dates back to the 1950s, long before digital, which
used half frame to double the number of exposures on a roll of film.

https://www.olympus-global.com/techn...roducts/pen/pe
n/
The Pen is a half-frame film camera that uses 35mm film. The
first-generation Olympus Pen camera appeared in 1959.
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Old September 6th 20, 08:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony to put more pressure on its APS line with APS-sized FF

On 9/6/2020 2:08 PM, nospam wrote:

not true. aps-c is approximately half the area of full frame, equating
to a one stop difference.

I don't knwo what you are referring to, but I have never seen the image
frame size change with a change of f-stop.

your other question about reference to "other than size", I answered
it in my original response, so there is no need to repeat it.

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