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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:46:21 -0600, Savageduck wrote: Mayayana wrote: "Eric Stevens" wrote | N E V E R H E A R D O F S P I K E M I L L I G A N ? | Ah. British. No wonder. Sorry. We get British soap opera junk like Downton Abbey, and fake ethnic Irish bands singing Danny Boy, on our PBS in the US. I guess probably because it's cheap or free. Also because there's a weird Anglophile cult among American self-appointed highbrow types. Anything said in a British accent is thought to be well thought out. ...and yet we in the USA frequently steal British programming, to produce shows such as House of Cards, All in the Family, and The Office. Add one of my favorite shows, "Shameless" to that list. The original was about a family in Manchester, UK. I tried to watch an episode of the original, but the lower-class Mancunian accents were almost ununderstandable. Then there are the very good BBC series such as Hinterland, and Shetland which are available on Netflix and/or Amazon Prime. Add Scandinavian series such as The Killing, The Bridge, and Wallander which made it to the BBC in their original form, and made it to the US as American productions. We've watched all mentioned above. Great stuff. I understand that not all people's interests are the same, but we look forward to every "Masterpiece" series. Currently, it's "Victoria" and it's quite good. "The Crown" was good as was "Call the Midwife". Netflix offers quite a good selection of Brit shows. "The Detectorists", "Happy Valley", and "The IT Crowd" were favorites here. We're looking forward to Netflix picking up Season 7 of "Doc Martin". While some greatly enjoy "Doctor Who", it's never appealed to me. Science fiction/fantasy and outer space shows are not for me. I never found the appeal, just as I never found the appeal with “Star Trek” and its offspring. If liking the "Masterpiece" productions, and not US TV reality shows, talent shows, cooking shows, and dancing competitions make me a "highbrow" type, I say "It's a fair cop, Guv." I suspect that we have similar likes when it comes to our choices in entertainment. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 20 February 2018 10:46:26 UTC-5, Savageduck wrote: Mayayana wrote: "Eric Stevens" wrote | N E V E R H E A R D O F S P I K E M I L L I G A N ? | Ah. British. No wonder. Sorry. We get British soap opera junk like Downton Abbey, and fake ethnic Irish bands singing Danny Boy, on our PBS in the US. I guess probably because it's cheap or free. Also because there's a weird Anglophile cult among American self-appointed highbrow types. Anything said in a British accent is thought to be well thought out. ...and yet we in the USA frequently steal British programming, to produce shows such as “House of Cards”, “All in the Family”, and “The Office”. Then there are the very good BBC series such as “Hinterland”, and “Shetland” which are available on Netflix and/or Amazon Prime. Add Scandinavian series such as “The Killing”, “The Bridge”, and “Wallander” which made it to the BBC in their original form, and made it to the US as American productions. All good shows and better watched in their British form as PBS and BBC America CENSOR them. American religious maniacs think Jesus tells them to. PBS is actually OK for much of the imported content they show. Unfortunately BBC America does much more damage with commercial breaks rather than any sort of censorship. Hence Netflix, and/or Amazon Prime for most of that stuff is the way to go, if you couldn’t be bothered to access the BBC, and iPlayer via a VPN. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
"Savageduck" wrote
| I never found the appeal, just as I never found the appeal with "Star Trek" | and its offspring. Holy Moley! Get outta town!! Y O U N E V E R L I K E D S T A R T R E K???!!! |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
Mayayana wrote:
"Savageduck" wrote | I never found the appeal, just as I never found the appeal with "Star Trek" | and its offspring. Holy Moley! Get outta town!! Y O U N E V E R L I K E D S T A R T R E K???!!! Yup! I never liked Star Trek, it was silly beyond belief, and Shatner was all ham. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
"Savageduck" wrote
| Yup! I never liked Star Trek, it was silly beyond belief, and Shatner was | all ham. | Can't argue with that. And it was also imperialistic. But a lot of things can be covered in sci-fi that would be too touchy otherwise. I found it interesting the way they changed the second version. In most psychology and religious systems there's a recognition of the personhaving 3 modes of experience: body, feeling, mind. physical, emotional or energy, and thinking. Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Jung's moving, feeling and thinking. In the 1st Star Trek, the physical man is in charge. The athlete who operates by instinct. The trhinking man is his helper and the feeling part comes in as a weak 3rd place. A silly, cranky doctor. In the 2nd version, the thinker is in charge. His helper is the physical/instinctive type. The feeling type becomes a powerfully perceptive woman but also someone who's not part of the command structure. After that it degenerated into PC madness. |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
"Savageduck" wrote
| Rather than two kidsdressed up as royalty I would recommend watching "Wolf | Hall" which will give you an interesting look into Tudor politics, and is | much better than any of the pablum US networks produce. Wolf Hall? I should note that I only have broadcast TV and Netflix discs, along with the library. No Hulu. no HBO, etc. | I criticize them because they're really no better | than American daytime soaps. But they're considered | higher quality simply because they're British. | | Actually they are far better than American daytime soaps, with far superior | acting and production values. | | It sounds as if your particular prejudices have oozed into your TV viewing. | Anti-Brit prejudice? Hardly. It's not that I'm anti-Brit. It's that many educated Americans tend to valorize British culture, assigning an intellectual brilliance to Britishness itself. Something like Downton Abbey is a soap opera. The actors might be better and the production might be better, but the story is still just emotional masturbation. If it were not British it would not be on PBS. But I have to admit it's not as bad as what I see on American network TV these days. It seems like every show involves attractive 20-somethings who are cops of some kind, hunting down a serial killer. Or attractive 20-somethings who live in some kind of alternate reality, magical kingdom, alien world.... I can't tell.... and spend most of their time zapping each other with spells, rayguns, or some such. No character development. |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 00:36:58 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 23:04:48 -0600, Savageduck wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:02:03 -0500, "Mayayana" wrote: "newshound" wrote | Reminds me of an old Spike Milligan joke. Man goes to his priest, | "Father is it wrong to want to look at pictures of naked women?" | "Of course it is my son, otherwise we would all be doing it". That's a good one. I've never heard of Spike Milligan. But I recognize that uniquely Catholic perversion. N E V E R H E A R D O F S P I K E M I L L I G A N ? What is the world coming to? He probably hasn’t heard of Peter Sellers, and Harry Secome either. Then there was Spike’s self composed epitaph; “I told you I was sick.” Was "The Goon Show" ever shown on US television? I've seen clips, but I don't recall anyone ever watching the show regularly. "Seen clips"? The original Goon Show was made for radio. Americans (I have no idea where "newsguy" is from) would know Sellers from "The Pink Panther", "Dr Strangelove", and other movies but might not know that he was in "The Goon Show". There is a tie here to photography, you know. Sellers and Antony Armstrong-Jones were close friends. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
On 2/20/2018 1:05 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Savageduck" wrote | I never found the appeal, just as I never found the appeal with "Star Trek" | and its offspring. Holy Moley! Get outta town!! Y O U N E V E R L I K E D S T A R T R E K???!!! Last year there was a Star Trek exhibit on the Intrepid. It combined the original with the Next Generation. I was told that most of the actors were nice, regular guys. William Shattner was charging for his autograph. I leave the name for that, up to the readers. He also got paid for his appearance. I went to the exhibit, but not on the opening night. it was neat to sit in the Captains chair. -- PeterN |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
On 2/20/2018 1:23 PM, Savageduck wrote:
Mayayana wrote: "Savageduck" wrote | I never found the appeal, just as I never found the appeal with "Star Trek" | and its offspring. Holy Moley! Get outta town!! Y O U N E V E R L I K E D S T A R T R E K???!!! Yup! I never liked Star Trek, it was silly beyond belief, and Shatner was all ham. That may be true, but it was leading in a sociological way. It had people in highly responsible roles, regardless of their sex, race, or religion. It had interracial kissing, which was considered taboo at the time. -- PeterN |
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How political-correctness ruined the Pirelli calendar
"Tony Cooper" wrote
| They come up with a formula and | then the viewers watch each week specifically to | see another rendition of the same formula. | | Which is basically the same thing done with just about every US prime | time show. | That's what I mean. Whether it's American or British, a series is the same. The worst are nearly the same plot every time: Hero gets into trouble. Things look bad. Near the end, with 1 second before the bomb goes off, hero saves the day. Show ends with a few witty quips over drinks. |
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