Interesting...

In article cayPe.9715$Us5.4804@fed1read02, "Mark=B2" mjmorgan(lowest=20
even number says...

It wasn't *what* you shot that got hassled...it was your methods of carry=
ing=20
on about how crappy Canon was ad nauseum... But you and I agreed to stay=
=20
clear of that (and we're both happier for it!), so I shall now shutteth m=
y=20
moutheth. Thounth like I'm lithping, doethn't it?


Dunno about that. I can't hear a thing coming out of the computer except=20
the occasional hum of the processor fan.

As soon as I went back to using Nikon things definitely heated up again=
!
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Nah...
Canon criticism is fine and good when it is somewhat deserved...and they=
=20
have often deserved it.
You received terrible customer service from them for some reason, and you=
=20
deserved to be very very irritated. I've hurled many a frustration at Ca=
non=20
myself over the years on this forum...
-No spot meter...CRAPPY raw software for years (though I just noticed it =
has=20
finally improved), and etc.

Crap products a-plenty?=20

Part of what is happening here is that Canon became the market leader ove=
r=20
Nikon somewhere in there. Canon also has raging success in the=20
point-and-shoot market, especially compared with Nikon. That doesn't mea=
n=20
they are better, but it means that there are far more Canon users here th=
an=20
Nikon.
Here's one indication:
I tend to notice the part of dpreview's page that ranks the percentage of=
=20
"clicks" different cameras get on their site, and they are ranked 1-10=20

A lot more people shop at K-Mart than The Gap too, eh? :-)

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In article ,
says...
I think there are a lot of bots scanning the newsgroups, although I'm
sure some actual lurkers may look at things.

Per day?

Well, in a day. Things tend to die off quickly after about a day or so.
--
http://www.pbase.com/bcbaird

In article ,
says...
Actually, he got most of the trouble while he was using Canon gear.

He's just off his rocker.

I hope you're not referring to me. FWIW, during the three years I shot

Nope, just Dougy Fresh.

with Canon equipment I did notice that I had less hassle on here than
previously (except for the Polson-Dallas wars, which I now regret having
subjected the group to).

Don't ever feel bad for arguing with Polson.

As soon as I went back to using Nikon things definitely heated up again!

That's because you started making incendiary statements about Canon.

Which isn't to say you can't have your own choices in camera gear, but
typically you'll get less flak if you respect the choices of others.
--
http://www.pbase.com/bcbaird

In article ,
says...
Crap products a-plenty?

Wouldn't go that far.

A lot more people shop at K-Mart than The Gap too, eh? :-)

Well, both of those places suck... but not as bad as Wal-Mart.

But on the other hand, I went into a Wal-Mart in Kannapolis, NC that was
pretty nice. It was well lit and spacious. Surprisingly, it didn't suck
the soul from my body. I applaud Wal-Mart for this and hope they build
more stores like that one.
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"Rox-off" wrote in message
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In article cayPe.9715$Us5.4804@fed1read02, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest
even number says...


Part of what is happening here is that Canon became the market leader
over
Nikon somewhere in there. Canon also has raging success in the
point-and-shoot market, especially compared with Nikon. That doesn't
mean
they are better, but it means that there are far more Canon users here
than
Nikon.
Here's one indication:
I tend to notice the part of dpreview's page that ranks the percentage of
"clicks" different cameras get on their site, and they are ranked 1-10

A lot more people shop at K-Mart than The Gap too, eh? :-)

I'm not saying Canon is superior, rather I'm simply offering another
explanation for why this forum seems to have so many Canon users compared
with other brands.

I don't think it has anything to do with anyone being "chased away" etc...
It's just that there are a huge number of Canon cameras being used. It
would logically follow that there will be a higher ratio of Canon posts. How
many Nikon point-and-shoots are offered these days? I think it's simply a
natural consequence of cameras in use.
Simple, ya??

In article WBCPe.9738$Us5.8856@fed1read02, "Mark=B2" mjmorgan(lowest=20
even number says...
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"Rox-off" wrote in message=20
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In article cayPe.9715$Us5.4804@fed1read02, "Mark=B2" mjmorgan(lowest
even number says...


Part of what is happening here is that Canon became the market leader=
=20
over
Nikon somewhere in there. Canon also has raging success in the
point-and-shoot market, especially compared with Nikon. That doesn't=
=20
mean
they are better, but it means that there are far more Canon users here=
=20
than
Nikon.
Here's one indication:
I tend to notice the part of dpreview's page that ranks the percentage=
of
"clicks" different cameras get on their site, and they are ranked 1-10

A lot more people shop at K-Mart than The Gap too, eh? :-)
=20
I'm not saying Canon is superior, rather I'm simply offering another=20
explanation for why this forum seems to have so many Canon users compared=
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with other brands.
=20
I don't think it has anything to do with anyone being "chased away" etc..=
..=20
It's just that there are a huge number of Canon cameras being used. It=
=20
would logically follow that there will be a higher ratio of Canon posts. =
How=20
many Nikon point-and-shoots are offered these days? I think it's simply =
a=20
natural consequence of cameras in use.
Simple, ya??
=20

I would find it very interesting to know how many of the Canon-army were=20
using Canon right from the beginning of their photography experience. I=20
suspect that Canon has more younger devotees than does Nikon, for=20
instance.=20

Most photographers I know, except for the sports shooters, are die-hard=20
Nikon users aged 30+. Canon seems to appeal to the newbies more than=20
photographers who have been around for a while.

And before I get lambasted again, this is just my opinion.=20

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Brian Baird wrote:

Surprisingly, it didn't suck the soul from my body.

Mind if I quote you on that? Not in reference to Wal-Mart, specifically.
I think it's a good quotation to use in a variety of situations ;-)


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Mark Roberts
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"Rox-off" wrote in message

I'm not saying Canon is superior, rather I'm simply offering another
explanation for why this forum seems to have so many Canon users compared
with other brands.

I don't think it has anything to do with anyone being "chased away"
etc...
It's just that there are a huge number of Canon cameras being used. It
would logically follow that there will be a higher ratio of Canon posts.
How
many Nikon point-and-shoots are offered these days? I think it's simply
a
natural consequence of cameras in use.
Simple, ya??


I would find it very interesting to know how many of the Canon-army were
using Canon right from the beginning of their photography experience. I
suspect that Canon has more younger devotees than does Nikon, for
instance.

Most photographers I know, except for the sports shooters, are die-hard
Nikon users aged 30+. Canon seems to appeal to the newbies more than
photographers who have been around for a while.

And before I get lambasted again, this is just my opinion.

I hope you don't think I was lambasting you...

I think there's something to that, but mainly in the point-and-shoot market.
If there's anything that gave Canon a wider appeal to younger, perhaps
gadgetry-prone folk, I think it would have been in the days of things like
eye-controlled focus, etc. Although it was helpful in some respects, I
found that I didn't use that feature much.

The other factor is that Canon was the first to release truly affordable
DSLRs at several points in the progression. It started with the D30 (which
was still expensive, but more attainable than anything else at the time).
Then once they released the D60 and 10D, they were squeezing Nikon in terms
of price. Nikon responded with their D70, but since that time Canon has
managed to squeeze back with the dominant 20D. Canon seems to just be more
ready to fire back more quickly with product (which, of course, is one of
your beefs with Canon).

Canon just released *nine* cameras on Monday. That indicates their huge
cpacity to respond to the market. If you look at the new features on those
cameras, they have continued to answer to specific trends quickly (like big
screens on tiny point-and-shoots, for example).

I think Nikon makes fantastic gear, but they don't seem nearly as prepared
to roll out timely items which the lower end point-and-shoot market demands.

Again--this points more to what I see as a superiority in marketing, and not
necessarily a technical advantage in that market. But I do think it's a
fair assessment that Canon has benefitted greatly from very legitimate
advances like IS, high fps, MP res, and full frame. There is no questions
that these features have won Canon a following in the professional realm.
As long as Nikon continues the impression that they are following Canon's
lead in these four key aspects, Canon will continue to gain.

As I've said a million times... I want Nikon to kick butt on Canon. Without
that, we all end up hurt as competition lags.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:51:19 GMT, "David A" wrote:


"Mojtaba" wrote in message
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I neither red nor participate

Mojtaba


nor spell correctly.

Do you own a Nikon?

No, Chinon. You? Canon?

Mojtaba (Neither Nikon nor Canon)

"Brian Baird" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
Crap products a-plenty?

Wouldn't go that far.

A lot more people shop at K-Mart than The Gap too, eh? :-)

Well, both of those places suck... but not as bad as Wal-Mart.

But on the other hand, I went into a Wal-Mart in Kannapolis, NC that was
pretty nice. It was well lit and spacious. Surprisingly, it didn't suck
the soul from my body. I applaud Wal-Mart for this and hope they build
more stores like that one.

Some of their stores are so big that some of the employees have never seen
some parts of the store. I was in one in Idaho Falls, and the girl I asked
said, "Well, I've never been there, but I'm told that you can find those at
the back...." I asked her what the weather was like there, and if I should
bring an umbrella.....:^)