Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.
C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:
a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3
b. It says something about "css" notifications as shown below.

Using @import CSS directive, put the following line in add to your css
file.(http | https)@import
url(//db.onlinewebfonts.com/c/458cf7aea231a973eb1beacfc13bb8b3?family=Roadgeek+2 005+Series+B);

c. I have no idea what that means in terms of the editable PowerPoint 2007.

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and,
Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007?

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Note that PDF is not in the picture, nor are screenshots, as the need is to
edit this Powerpoint 2007 file forever over time as needed by various
individuals.

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)

rtfm

2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

consult with a licensed attorney in your area.

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.

then you ****ed up.

C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:

that's a first.

a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3

no it doesn't.

there's a contact link at that site. ask them what is required.

In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.

Andre

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On 2017-09-08 19:21:06 +0000, Andre G. Isaak said:
In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\

Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

"Chaya Eve" wrote

| The license says:
| "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
| notifications remain intact."
|
| The copyright says:
| "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."
|
| So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?
|
I would interpret that to mean that you need to
include a copy of the license when you distribute the
font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded
from font sites.
I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. But if
you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could
distribute the font and license along with the PPT, and
include an attribution, like:

Thank you to Michael D. Adams for use of the XYZ
font. This file is included to accomodate his licensing
terms.
XYF font is Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005.
All rights reserved.

If you do that then you can also solve the embedding
problem. The down side would be that your recipients
would need to install the font.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:54:27 -0400, Mayayana
wrote:

I would interpret that to mean that you need to
include a copy of the license when you distribute the
font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded
from font sites.

I interpret that the same, so it's easily enough done to add a page to the
multi-page PowerPoint presentation stating what Savageduck kindly also
suggested:
"Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005."

I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT.

That's exactly the question!

I can't see any other way to credit the copyright other than the way that
Savageduck suggested, which is to add a page at the end crediting the
copyright owner.

But if
you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could
distribute the font and license along with the PPT.

As explained in the OP, the intent is to "embed" the font into the
PowerPoint.

This is easy to do on Windows but there's a question of how to do it on the
Mac given this reference:
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help?

If you do that then you can also solve the embedding
problem. The down side would be that your recipients
would need to install the font.

As explained in the OP, the goal is to embed the font so that both the Mac
and Windows users can modify the signs before being printed at the school.

It is easy to embed the font into Windows PowerPoint.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

What is needed is a Mac expert who can test embedding the font into his
PowerPoint version to show us how embedding fonts works on the Mac.
http://fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

On Sep 8, 2017, Chaya Eve wrote
(in article ):

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\

Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons “BY� license which only demands
attribution.

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
“http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; “License:
unknown� and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons “BY� 3.0 license.

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.�


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:39:50 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons ´BY¡ license which only demands
attribution.

Thank you for finding that information that attribution is all that's
needed to answer the second of the two original questions.

1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
´http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"

I agree that a simple attribution page is in the spirit of the Creative
Commons license agreement, since distribution isn't by web, but by
PowerPoint embedding.

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; ´License:
unknown¡ and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.

I think this particular free font is so widely distributed on web sites
that the adherence to license agreements by those web sites is variable.


The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons ´BY¡ 3.0 license.

Thank you for finding and understanding the "collective commons" agreement,
which is new to me so I appreciate your advice.


So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.¡

Thank you.

That seems like a good answer to the second question of the two asked!
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?

Are there Mac experts on this ng who know the answer to the first question?

On 2017-09-09 01:18:55 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:
snip
I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?
Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as
Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import
that into PowerPoint.

OR,
you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains
editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take
screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped
screenshot.