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Old March 18th 19, 03:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article ,
RichA wrote:

what's foolish is relying solely on one single copy of anything,
regardless of where it is. one copy has no backups.
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Old March 18th 19, 03:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article ,
RichA wrote:

what's foolish is relying solely on one single copy of anything,
regardless of where it is. one copy has no backups.


Difference being (and we are seeing example of this now) they can also censor
things according to the winds of morality at time.


not if it's encrypted.

It's always better to own
physical media.


false.

it's far more likely that any physical media you own will fail or lost
due to fire/flood/theft/etc., versus a cloud service. it's not possible
for anyone to match the uptime and reliability and geographical
diversification of a cloud service without spending a *lot* of money.
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Old March 18th 19, 03:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On Mar 18, 2019, RichA wrote
(in ):

On Monday, 18 March 2019 10:04:59 UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In ,
RichA wrote:

what's foolish is relying solely on one single copy of anything,
regardless of where it is. one copy has no backups.


Difference being (and we are seeing example of this now) they can also censor
things according to the winds of morality at time. It's always better to own
physical media.


I hope you have your copies of “Blazing Saddles” and “Life of Brian"
safely backed up.

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Old March 18th 19, 04:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

what's foolish is relying solely on one single copy of anything,
regardless of where it is. one copy has no backups.

Difference being (and we are seeing example of this now) they can also
censor
things according to the winds of morality at time.


not if it's encrypted.


That depends who's encrypted it, or rather who can unencrypt it.


obviously the user

It's always better to own
physical media.


false.

it's far more likely that any physical media you own will fail or lost
due to fire/flood/theft/etc.,


Depending on the who.

I have some original recordings of a friends band from 1990 on CD.
Seems to have outlasted the stuff on myspace.


not if your house burns down, or someone steals it, or the cd becomes
unreadable or scratched.

versus a cloud service. it's not possible
for anyone to match the uptime and reliability and geographical
diversification of a cloud service without spending a *lot* of money.


Yes it is.


nope. it is not.

Imagine if the magna carta had been uploaded to myspace,
it wouldn't have lasted 12 years, let alone 800+ years.


imagine if the magna carta was in a box in california and the wildfires
turned it to ash.

imagine if the magna carta was in a box in texas or florida for any of
the recent hurricanes.

imagine if a cat peed on it or a kid scribbled on it.

now imagine if the magna carta was uploaded to apple icloud, google
drive, microsoft onedrive and amazon aws. those companies aren't going
away any time soon, certainly not all of them.
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Old March 18th 19, 06:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On 2019-03-18 10:36, nospam wrote:

it's far more likely that any physical media you own will fail or lost
due to fire/flood/theft/etc., versus a cloud service. it's not possible
for anyone to match the uptime and reliability and geographical
diversification of a cloud service without spending a *lot* of money.


And yet I've been doing that for decades and the cost keeps going down
and the redundancy goes up. None of it in the cloud at all.

I use Dropbox and Apple Cloud as conveniences, never as backup.

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Old March 18th 19, 07:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:38:59 -0400, nospam wrote:

obviously the user


LOGIC:
*Or any hacker on the planet that obtains the users' login credentials...*

FACT:
o Apple reportedly target of shakedown over iCloud accounts
https://www.zdnet.com/article/icloud-accounts-breach-gets-bigger-here-is-what-we-know/
https://www.cnet.com/news/hackers-apple-extortion-icloud-account-iphone/

LOGIC:
And, two-factor authentication comes with its own limitations:

FACT:
o Apple Sued Over Not Letting Customers Disable Two-Factor Authentication After Two Weeks
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/02/09/apple-two-factor-authentication-lawsuit/
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Old March 18th 19, 07:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article , arlen holder
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obviously the user


LOGIC:


as usual, you cut nearly everything to alter context.
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Old March 18th 19, 07:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:


it's far more likely that any physical media you own will fail or lost
due to fire/flood/theft/etc., versus a cloud service. it's not possible
for anyone to match the uptime and reliability and geographical
diversification of a cloud service without spending a *lot* of money.


And yet I've been doing that for decades and the cost keeps going down
and the redundancy goes up. None of it in the cloud at all.


it's nowhere near as reliable as the cloud, some of which offer 11 9s
of reliability.

I use Dropbox and Apple Cloud as conveniences, never as backup.


meanwhile, many people use those as a backup, along with amazon,
google, microsoft and many others.

the key is never to have only one copy of anything.
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Old March 18th 19, 09:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

On 2019-03-18 14:37, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
wrote:


it's far more likely that any physical media you own will fail or lost
due to fire/flood/theft/etc., versus a cloud service. it's not possible
for anyone to match the uptime and reliability and geographical
diversification of a cloud service without spending a *lot* of money.


And yet I've been doing that for decades and the cost keeps going down
and the redundancy goes up. None of it in the cloud at all.


it's nowhere near as reliable as the cloud, some of which offer 11 9s
of reliability.


Pfft. The way I manage my data is probably equivalent. But then I do
offsite storage. I made the decision a long time ago to be responsible
for my data. I'll review that when I retire.


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need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
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Old March 19th 19, 01:57 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Only fools rely solely on "the cloud."

In article , MC
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Imagine if the magna carta had been uploaded to myspace,
it wouldn't have lasted 12 years, let alone 800+ years.


imagine if the magna carta was in a box in california and the
wildfires turned it to ash.

imagine if the magna carta was in a box in texas or florida for any of
the recent hurricanes.

imagine if a cat peed on it or a kid scribbled on it.

now imagine if the magna carta was uploaded to apple icloud, google
drive, microsoft onedrive and amazon aws. those companies aren't going
away any time soon, certainly not all of them.


Even the Magna Carta had backups. There are still, apparently, 17 known
copies of the original 250, or so, still in existance. None of them
have needed the cloud to survive and all 17 have, so far, survived a
lot longer than anything digital.


false comparison. there was no digital back then.

the physical copies have degraded and continue to degrade.

digital does not degrade nor are there generational losses. every copy
is exactly the same as the original.

also, myspace never claimed it was a cloud backup service.
 




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