DJI blacklisted by the USA

In article ,
says...

On Dec 18, 2020 at 1:34:00 PM PST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

If true, instead of having to spend several $B in high end spy satellites,
just sell
a commercial product where its customers will pay you for the privilege of
doing
the work of mil-grade data collection for you.

Like the videos Savageduck is doing?

don't tell anyone, but foreign operatives have hired duck to do exactly
that, now that he has so much free time on his hands...

...and yet with the veto proof passage of the Defense Authorization Bill last
week there was no mention of Chinese drones, or drone technology.

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20201207/CRPT-116hrpt617.pdf

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2020/12/house-overwhelmingly-passes-defense-bill-leave-benefits-setting-confrontation-trump/170634/

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/senate-passes-defense-authorization-bill-with-veto-proof-majority/OS6NBY5TZNFTTOMHON7JFXYEUE/

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On Dec 18, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in s.net):

In ,
says...

On Dec 18, 2020 at 1:34:00 PM PST, wrote:

In s.net, Alfred
Molon wrote:

If true, instead of having to spend several $B in high end spy satellites,
just sell
a commercial product where its customers will pay you for the privilege of
doing
the work of mil-grade data collection for you.

Like the videos Savageduck is doing?

don't tell anyone, but foreign operatives have hired duck to do exactly
that, now that he has so much free time on his hands...

...and yet with the veto proof passage of the Defense Authorization Bill last
week there was no mention of Chinese drones, or drone technology.

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20201207/CRPT-116hrpt617.pdf

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2020/12/house-overwhelmingly-passes-defense-bill-leave-benefits-setting-confrontation-trump/170634/

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/senate-passes-defense-authorization-bill-with-veto-proof-majority/OS6NBY5TZNFTTOMHON7JFXYEUE/

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

I guess there are going to be a whole bunch of criminal drone flyers in the US then. That, or I will just have to buy an Autel Evo II.
https://auteldrones.com/pages/evo-collections

--
Regards,
Savageduck

On 2020-12-18 19:39, Alfred Molon wrote:

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

Pretty much impossible to retroactively ban their use by the public.


--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On Dec 19, 2020, Alan Browne wrote
(in article ):

On 2020-12-18 19:39, Alfred Molon wrote:

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

Pretty much impossible to retroactively ban their use by the public.

....and you should not be effected in Canada. Unless you start a cross border DJI supply business.

I really like my Mavic Air 2, and I had been seriously considering upgrading to the Mavic 2 Pro with the 1� sensor.So I might have to check on the Autel offerings, as
The Evo II Pro with the 6K 1� sensor seems to be a reasonable alternative to the M2P.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

On 2020-12-19 11:59, Savageduck wrote:
On Dec 19, 2020, Alan Browne wrote
(in article ):

On 2020-12-18 19:39, Alfred Molon wrote:

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

Pretty much impossible to retroactively ban their use by the public.

...and you should not be effected in Canada. Unless you start a cross border DJI supply business.

I really like my Mavic Air 2, and I had been seriously considering upgrading to the Mavic 2 Pro with the 1� sensor.So I might have to check on the Autel offerings, as
The Evo II Pro with the 6K 1� sensor seems to be a reasonable alternative to the M2P.

Check out the US electronics stores like Best Buy - they may have M2P's etc.


--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:17:33 PM UTC-5, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2020-12-18 16:04, -hh wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
On Dec 18, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in ):

https://petapixel.com/2020/12/18/dji...by-the-united-
states-added-to-economic-blacklist/

Not too surprised .. IIRC, DJI was on the DoD banned list back in 2017.
IIRC, the security concern was that they were "phoning home" detailed terrain
mapping data - and supposedly at a level of detail that the drone itself doesn't
even need in order to fly.
The DOD wasn't worried about "detailed terrain mapping data" they were
worried about operational data from (mainly) the GPS/GLONASS receivers.
Such data could obviously compromise field operations.

The US' topo data is openly available in high resolution already. Don't
need no stinkin drones.

There's at least a couple of shortcomings in that statement.

The first is that such data doesn't include 'terrain' inside of buildings & structures.
Or places where a government has required 'fuzzing'/etc.

The second is that for centuries, cartography has included "traps" (fake data) in order
to know when someone's illegally copying your copyrighted materially. As such, it makes
sense to independently verify the data.


-hh

On 2020-12-19 13:48, -hh wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:17:33 PM UTC-5, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2020-12-18 16:04, -hh wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
On Dec 18, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in ):

https://petapixel.com/2020/12/18/dji...by-the-united-
states-added-to-economic-blacklist/

Not too surprised .. IIRC, DJI was on the DoD banned list back in 2017.
IIRC, the security concern was that they were "phoning home" detailed terrain
mapping data - and supposedly at a level of detail that the drone itself doesn't
even need in order to fly.
The DOD wasn't worried about "detailed terrain mapping data" they were
worried about operational data from (mainly) the GPS/GLONASS receivers.
Such data could obviously compromise field operations.

The US' topo data is openly available in high resolution already. Don't
need no stinkin drones.

There's at least a couple of shortcomings in that statement.

The first is that such data doesn't include 'terrain' inside of buildings & structures.
Or places where a government has required 'fuzzing'/etc.

The second is that for centuries, cartography has included "traps" (fake data) in order
to know when someone's illegally copying your copyrighted materially. As such, it makes
sense to independently verify the data.

US government topo of the US is freely available and to my knowledge
contains no 'blurring' or fake data in it. 1:24,000. Many other GIS
products are available.

China (by contrast) puts heavy controls over all map data - and this
includes a lot of restrictions on drone s/w used in China.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On Dec 18, 2020, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Dec 18, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in s.net):

In ,
says...

On Dec 18, 2020 at 1:34:00 PM PST, wrote:

In s.net, Alfred
Molon wrote:

If true, instead of having to spend several $B in high end spy
satellites,
just sell
a commercial product where its customers will pay you for the privilege
of
doing
the work of mil-grade data collection for you.

Like the videos Savageduck is doing?

don't tell anyone, but foreign operatives have hired duck to do exactly
that, now that he has so much free time on his hands...

...and yet with the veto proof passage of the Defense Authorization Bill
last
week there was no mention of Chinese drones, or drone technology.

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20201207/CRPT-116hrpt617.pdf

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits...ingly-passes-d
efense-bill-leave-benefits-setting-confrontation-trump/170634/

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-worl...authorization-
bill-with-veto-proof-majority/OS6NBY5TZNFTTOMHON7JFXYEUE/

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

I guess there are going to be a whole bunch of criminal drone flyers in the
US then. That, or I will just have to buy an Autel Evo II.
https://auteldrones.com/pages/evo-collections

There might be some concern over nothing. From the article: "While this
doesn’t immediately affect U.S. consumers from buying DJI products,
companies added to this list have historically found it challenging to do
business in the United States; Huawei is a prime example.� The blacklist
means only that US companies cannot export anything to DJI, not the other way
around. It still might affect their sales here, and cause other problems down
the line, but right now, it might not mean much to US consumers. And to be
honest, this is the only place I’ve read about this. It’s not making any
news.

On Dec 19, 2020, Bill W wrote
(in ternal-september.org):

On Dec 18, 2020, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Dec 18, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in s.net):

In ,
says...

On Dec 18, 2020 at 1:34:00 PM PST, wrote:

In s.net, Alfred
Molon wrote:

If true, instead of having to spend several $B in high end spy
satellites,
just sell
a commercial product where its customers will pay you for the privilege
of
doing
the work of mil-grade data collection for you.

Like the videos Savageduck is doing?

don't tell anyone, but foreign operatives have hired duck to do exactly
that, now that he has so much free time on his hands...

...and yet with the veto proof passage of the Defense Authorization Bill
last
week there was no mention of Chinese drones, or drone technology.

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20201207/CRPT-116hrpt617.pdf

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits...ingly-passes-d
efense-bill-leave-benefits-setting-confrontation-trump/170634/

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-worl...authorization-
bill-with-veto-proof-majority/OS6NBY5TZNFTTOMHON7JFXYEUE/

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

I guess there are going to be a whole bunch of criminal drone flyers in the
US then. That, or I will just have to buy an Autel Evo II.
https://auteldrones.com/pages/evo-collections

There might be some concern over nothing. From the article: "While this
doesn’t immediately affect U.S. consumers from buying DJI products,
companies added to this list have historically found it challenging to do
business in the United States; Huawei is a prime example.� The blacklist
means only that US companies cannot export anything to DJI, not the other way
around. It still might affect their sales here, and cause other problems down
the line, but right now, it might not mean much to US consumers. And to be
honest, this is the only place I’ve read about this. It’s not making any
news.

For done flyers, and potential drone flyers this video is well worth viewing for a better take on the “Chinese Blacklist�.

https://youtu.be/zCS61TZcKvA

--
Regards,
Savageduck

On Dec 19, 2020, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Dec 19, 2020, Bill W wrote
(in ternal-september.org):

On Dec 18, 2020, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Dec 18, 2020, Alfred Molon wrote
(in s.net):

In ,
says...

On Dec 18, 2020 at 1:34:00 PM PST,
wrote:

In s.net, Alfred
Molon wrote:

If true, instead of having to spend several $B in high end spy
satellites,
just sell
a commercial product where its customers will pay you for the
privilege
of
doing
the work of mil-grade data collection for you.

Like the videos Savageduck is doing?

don't tell anyone, but foreign operatives have hired duck to do exactly
that, now that he has so much free time on his hands...

...and yet with the veto proof passage of the Defense Authorization Bill
last
week there was no mention of Chinese drones, or drone technology.

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20201207/CRPT-116hrpt617.pdf

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits...lmingly-passes
-d
efense-bill-leave-benefits-setting-confrontation-trump/170634/

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-worl...e-authorizatio
n-
bill-with-veto-proof-majority/OS6NBY5TZNFTTOMHON7JFXYEUE/

If you are out of luck, the USA will prohibit people from using
DJI drones in the USA.

I guess there are going to be a whole bunch of criminal drone flyers in the
US then. That, or I will just have to buy an Autel Evo II.
https://auteldrones.com/pages/evo-collections

There might be some concern over nothing. From the article: "While this
doesn’t immediately affect U.S. consumers from buying DJI products,
companies added to this list have historically found it challenging to do
business in the United States; Huawei is a prime example.� The blacklist
means only that US companies cannot export anything to DJI, not the other
way
around. It still might affect their sales here, and cause other problems
down
the line, but right now, it might not mean much to US consumers. And to be
honest, this is the only place I’ve read about this. It’s not making any
news.

For done flyers, and potential drone flyers this video is well worth viewing
for a better take on the “Chinese Blacklist�.

https://youtu.be/zCS61TZcKvA

I watched the first third of it, and it all sounds correct. The blacklisting
probably amounts to nothing more than keeping this in the back of your mind
when shopping for a drone.