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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
Two fundamentally basic Windows icon-editing questions:
(A) How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs? https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg (B) Do you know _why_ the icon *changed* when viewed as a "large icon"? https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg I was building a new shortcut for a multi-killswitch just now... TARGET=%comspec% /c %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog1.exe" /t /f & %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog2.exe" /t /f Where the icon I liked was inside the Windows system32 DLL: %SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll Only I wanted to overlay the classic angled red stripe across it. o So I screenshotted it as a "large" icon so I could edit it as an ICO file Lo and behold... o https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg The glove icon _changed_ right under my very own eyes! o It was a "globe" when viewed as a small icon... o It it _changed_ to a "dual-pane" when viewed as a larger icon. Why? o Has that ever happened to you? Why does Windows do that? o Have you noticed Windows _changes_ the icon depending on viewing size? Anyway, I wasn't able to get the small icon large without it changing, so I proceeded to use the large icon (which is a completely different icon!) just to test the proof of concept of creating the icon from inside the DLL. (1) I displayed the icon using "large icons" (which changed the icon!) (2) I screenshotted it and opened it up in Irfanview freeware for edit (3) In Irfanview I cropped with control+y & with control+shift+y (4) In Irfanview I resized to 32x32 pixels as per the thread below (5) I added a red stripe (which was the original goal) (6) And I saved it as a *.ico icon file format from Irfanview https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg Notice, in a sense, I failed to edit the original icon, so, the question remains apropos as to whether you can tell me, and the rest of us so that all benefit, how you would change the original globe icon from inside the Windows system DLL. -- Icon editing based on instructions found in the permanent Usenet record: o *Tutorial for creating custom Windows icons from screenshots* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xm6aHzaC-D8/uD1PLfk6DAAJ |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
Arlen Holder wrote:
Two fundamentally basic Windows icon-editing questions: (A) How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs? https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg (B) Do you know _why_ the icon *changed* when viewed as a "large icon"? https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg I was building a new shortcut for a multi-killswitch just now... TARGET=%comspec% /c %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog1.exe" /t /f & %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog2.exe" /t /f Where the icon I liked was inside the Windows system32 DLL: %SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll Only I wanted to overlay the classic angled red stripe across it. o So I screenshotted it as a "large" icon so I could edit it as an ICO file Lo and behold... o https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg The glove icon _changed_ right under my very own eyes! o It was a "globe" when viewed as a small icon... o It it _changed_ to a "dual-pane" when viewed as a larger icon. Why? o Has that ever happened to you? Why does Windows do that? o Have you noticed Windows _changes_ the icon depending on viewing size? Anyway, I wasn't able to get the small icon large without it changing, so I proceeded to use the large icon (which is a completely different icon!) just to test the proof of concept of creating the icon from inside the DLL. (1) I displayed the icon using "large icons" (which changed the icon!) (2) I screenshotted it and opened it up in Irfanview freeware for edit (3) In Irfanview I cropped with control+y & with control+shift+y (4) In Irfanview I resized to 32x32 pixels as per the thread below (5) I added a red stripe (which was the original goal) (6) And I saved it as a *.ico icon file format from Irfanview https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg Notice, in a sense, I failed to edit the original icon, so, the question remains apropos as to whether you can tell me, and the rest of us so that all benefit, how you would change the original globe icon from inside the Windows system DLL. Windows 10 and icons! It must drive some poor programmer at Microsoft into nightmares quite regularly! Have you ever watched the WinExplorer output large size displays for a folder containing many different file types? It slowly paints them across the screen, as it builds them. The difference you mention occurs with many icons from the OS dlls. The library "Pictures", "Documents" and "Desktop" are typical. Usually a yellow folder is added in the two higher formats. BTW, have you ever wondered why "This PC" has to have its display rebuilt each time you select it? Same basic reason! Ed |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
Ed Cryer wrote:
Arlen Holder wrote: Two fundamentally basic Windows icon-editing questions: (A) How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs? Â*Â*Â*Â* https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg (B) Do you know _why_ the icon *changed* when viewed as a "large icon"? Â*Â*Â*Â* https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg I was building a new shortcut for a multi-killswitch just now... TARGET=%comspec% /c %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog1.exe" /t /f & %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog2.exe" /t /f Where the icon I liked was inside the Windows system32 DLL: %SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll Only I wanted to overlay the classic angled red stripe across it. o So I screenshotted it as a "large" icon so I could edit it as an ICO file Lo and behold... o https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg The glove icon _changed_ right under my very own eyes! o It was a "globe" when viewed as a small icon... o It it _changed_ to a "dual-pane" when viewed as a larger icon. Why? o Has that ever happened to you? Why does Windows do that? o Have you noticed Windows _changes_ the icon depending on viewing size? Anyway, I wasn't able to get the small icon large without it changing, so I proceeded to use the large icon (which is a completely different icon!) just to test the proof of concept of creating the icon from inside the DLL. (1) I displayed the icon using "large icons" (which changed the icon!) (2) I screenshotted it and opened it up in Irfanview freeware for edit (3) In Irfanview I cropped with control+y & with control+shift+y (4) In Irfanview I resized to 32x32 pixels as per the thread below (5) I added a red stripe (which was the original goal) (6) And I saved it as a *.ico icon file format from Irfanview Â*Â*Â*Â* https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg Notice, in a sense, I failed to edit the original icon, so, the question remains apropos as to whether you can tell me, and the rest of us so that all benefit, how you would change the original globe icon from inside the Windows system DLL. Windows 10 and icons! It must drive some poor programmer at Microsoft into nightmares quite regularly! Have you ever watched the WinExplorer output large size displays for a folder containing many different file types? It slowly paints them across the screen, as it builds them. The difference you mention occurs with many icons from the OS dlls. The library "Pictures", "Documents" and "Desktop" are typical. Usually a yellow folder is added in the two higher formats. BTW, have you ever wondered why "This PC" has to have its display rebuilt each time you select it? Same basic reason! Ed If you look at, eg, shell32.dll with Icon Explorer (https://www.mitec.cz/iconex.html), and click on any icon, you'll see that it stores several versions (often 8 or 9) for each one. And therein lies the tale and explanation of the phenomena we've mentioned. Ed |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
On 6/16/20 4:37 PM, this is what Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: Arlen Holder wrote: Two fundamentally basic Windows icon-editing questions: (A) How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs? Â*Â*Â*Â* https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg (B) Do you know _why_ the icon *changed* when viewed as a "large icon"? Â*Â*Â*Â* https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg I was building a new shortcut for a multi-killswitch just now... TARGET=%comspec% /c %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog1.exe" /t /f & %Windir%\System32\taskkill.exe /im "prog2.exe" /t /f Where the icon I liked was inside the Windows system32 DLL: %SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll Only I wanted to overlay the classic angled red stripe across it. o So I screenshotted it as a "large" icon so I could edit it as an ICO file Lo and behold... o https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg The glove icon _changed_ right under my very own eyes! o It was a "globe" when viewed as a small icon... o It it _changed_ to a "dual-pane" when viewed as a larger icon. Why? o Has that ever happened to you? Why does Windows do that? o Have you noticed Windows _changes_ the icon depending on viewing size? Anyway, I wasn't able to get the small icon large without it changing, so I proceeded to use the large icon (which is a completely different icon!) just to test the proof of concept of creating the icon from inside the DLL. (1) I displayed the icon using "large icons" (which changed the icon!) (2) I screenshotted it and opened it up in Irfanview freeware for edit (3) In Irfanview I cropped with control+y & with control+shift+y (4) In Irfanview I resized to 32x32 pixels as per the thread below (5) I added a red stripe (which was the original goal) (6) And I saved it as a *.ico icon file format from Irfanview Â*Â*Â*Â* https://i.postimg.cc/mrVr58FN/icon-ico.jpg Notice, in a sense, I failed to edit the original icon, so, the question remains apropos as to whether you can tell me, and the rest of us so that all benefit, how you would change the original globe icon from inside the Windows system DLL. Windows 10 and icons! It must drive some poor programmer at Microsoft into nightmares quite regularly! Have you ever watched the WinExplorer output large size displays for a folder containing many different file types? It slowly paints them across the screen, as it builds them. The difference you mention occurs with many icons from the OS dlls. The library "Pictures", "Documents" and "Desktop" are typical. Usually a yellow folder is added in the two higher formats. BTW, have you ever wondered why "This PC" has to have its display rebuilt each time you select it? Same basic reason! Ed If you look at, eg,Â* shell32.dll with Icon Explorer (https://www.mitec.cz/iconex.html), and click on any icon, you'll see that it stores several versions (often 8 or 9) for each one. And therein lies the tale and explanation of the phenomena we've mentioned. Ed Windows uses ICO files and an ico can contain many different sizes, resolutions, or images in that one file. If you had an icon editor like Greenfish Icon Editor Pro,(free), you could make your own, and it would show that you can make 32bit color, 8bit color etc. and sizes 8x8 up to 256x256. Most icons come in several sizes so toolbars can use the small, the desktop can use various sizes as well as explorer using several sizes. To Arlen, I have used Resource Hacker to edit icons in program before, but it so long ago, I could never explain how if you paid me. Al. |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:04:56 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
The difference you mention occurs with many icons from the OS dlls. Hi Ed Cryer, Thanks for purposefully helpfully explaining that the system DLL icons comprise more than a half dozen "versions" of each icon. The problem is how the heck does Windows know _when_ to switch them? o And how does Windows know _what_ to switch them to? Apparently, in my case: o View Small Icons = shows the globe icon version o View Large Icons = switched to the two-screens icon version instead o View Extra Large Icons = again switched to the two-screens icon instead Moving forward, I installed the suggested IconExplorer freeware and "opened" %SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll and then selected the "globe" icon, which, as you had foretold, contains multiple icons itself. https://i.postimg.cc/76ZvXJdf/icon03.jpg That freeware keeper shows that what I've been calling the "globe" icon is actually named "shell32_13", which itself has 9 images, presumably called versions [0], [1],...[8], which, as you suggested would happen, are different icons in some cases (although none are the two-screen icon). Interestingly, when I found the two-screen icon, which itself is named "shell32_89", and it has 8 versions, the first of which is a PNG file of size 256x256 pixels (which may explain why it shows up in large view). https://i.postimg.cc/NFhjn4cd/icon04.jpg Anyway, this kind of sort of explains _how_ Windows can switch from one icon for "view small icons" to another icon for "view large icons"; but it doesn't really explain it in this case simply they're different icons. https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg Nonetheless, I'm not going to worry about it because IconExplorer freeware solved my problem of being able to edit the "globe" icon; so it doesn't matter anymore why Windows is doing the crazy icon switching. Thanks for your purposefully helpful advice, which solved my problem. o I will write up a solution separately for how to edit a system DLL icon. -- Together, purposefully helpful people make Usenet a useful public helpdesk. |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:37:25 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
If you look at, eg, shell32.dll with Icon Explorer (https://www.mitec.cz/iconex.html), and click on any icon, you'll see that it stores several versions (often 8 or 9) for each one. And therein lies the tale and explanation of the phenomena we've mentioned Hi Ed Cryer, That freeware suggestion almost instantly solved the stated problem! o People like you are what make Usenet a wonderful helpful helpdesk! https://i.postimg.cc/8kBqrHYN/icon06.jpg Thanks for purposefully helpfully suggesting IconExplorer freeware, which worked just fine to edit what I've been calling the "globe" icon, but which is actually named the %SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll "shell32_13" icon. https://i.postimg.cc/76ZvXJdf/icon03.jpg What I've been calling the "two screen" icon is actually named "shell32_89", whose [0] version is a PNG file of size 256x256 pixels https://i.postimg.cc/NFhjn4cd/icon04.jpg If I right click on the 256x256 pixel icon, I have three choices: o Save to Icon... o Save to Bitmap... o Save to PNG... https://i.postimg.cc/SNJgdfKB/icon05.jpg Aha! That solves the problem set of _how_ to edit the "globe" system DLL icon! (1) Point IconExplorer freeware to "%SystemRoot%\System32\SHELL32.dll" (2) Click on the largest "globe" icon (aka "shell32_13") in view (3) Save as whatever format {png, bmp, ico} you can edit most easily (4) I chose to save the largest globe as globe.bmp (IV can edit ICO files) (5) Edit that file in any editor (e.g., I added the red circle & slash) https://i.postimg.cc/DwWj5dxW/globe.gif (upload can't handle bmp) (6) Save a black background & a white background version if desired https://i.postimg.cc/prxJHKQB/world-black.png (upload converted it) https://i.postimg.cc/9f7dwLJp/world-white.png (upload converted it) (7) In Irfanview, control+shift+y to auto-crop exactly to the image borders (8) In Irfanview, set to 32x32 pixels & save as an ico file (9) In my case, I saved to "world_black.ico" & "world_white.ico" (10) Right click your shortcut & set the icon to the desired *.ico above https://i.postimg.cc/8kBqrHYN/icon06.jpg The only remaining question is that of "transparent background"... o Can a ICO file have a transparent background? -- Usenet is a public helpdesk where people purposefully help each other. |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:12:19 -0400, Big Al wrote:
Windows uses ICO files and an ico can contain many different sizes, resolutions, or images in that one file. If you had an icon editor like Greenfish Icon Editor Pro,(free), you could make your own, and it would show that you can make 32bit color, 8bit color etc. and sizes 8x8 up to 256x256. Most icons come in several sizes so toolbars can use the small, the desktop can use various sizes as well as explorer using several sizes. To Arlen, I have used Resource Hacker to edit icons in program before, but it so long ago, I could never explain how if you paid me. Hi Big Al, What I _love_ about Usenet, is that people are purposefully helpful! o Thanks to folks like you, the original problem is solved with freeware! https://i.postimg.cc/hPTCzbtc/icon08.jpg The problem was how to add this red circle+slash to the globe icon: https://i.postimg.cc/HnrdTvww/icon07.jpg Essentially, the 3-step solution was the following: (A) Use IconEditor to view & save the desired icon as a {BMP,PNG,ICO} file (B) Use any image editor to modify & save the result as a 32x32 ICO file (C) Set the shortcut to point to that newly crafted ICO image. In my case, the shortcut target was to kill a given set of programs, e.g., o TARGET=%comspec% /c taskkill /im "prog1.exe" /t /f & taskkill /im "prog2.exe" /t /f Regarding Greenfish Icon Editor freeware... I found mention of it he https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/QH1BR7SbrHg https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/BHNpgphC1R8 In hindsight, I also found it in some of my own threads from the past: o *Can Irfanview alone make a transparent background of a multi-color background?* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/KCk4FpM9vZM In that thread, for example, the following are mentioned: o greenfish icon editor http://www.greenfishsoftware.org/gfie.php o icofx (v1.6.4 is best) https://www.icofx.ro/downloads.html o icoconvert online converter https://icoconvert.com/ o foldermarker http://foldermarker.com/FolderMarker_Free.exe o downloadable icon packages o the 16 main locations for icons in the Windows folders o online icon creation web pages etc. To which I need to add "iconexplorer" o https://www.mitec.cz/iconex.html As shown in my current software flash drive: o https://i.postimg.cc/hPTCzbtc/icon08.jpg Since every thread to Usenet should add general purpose value that we can use now, and in the future (found by the public web-searchable archives): o http://tinyurl.com/rec-photo-digital o http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware o http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com This new solution will add value to the previous solution found over he o *Tutorial for creating custom Windows icons from screenshots* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xm6aHzaC-D8/uD1PLfk6DAAJ That first tutorial is creating icons from screenshots; whereas this new tutorial is for modifying existing Windows system icons found in DLLs. o *How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.photo.digital/lAJV8OZdZjg -- As always, please improve with your purposefully helpful suggestions. |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
"Big Al" wrote
| Windows uses ICO files and an ico can contain many different sizes, resolutions, or images in that one file. If you had an icon editor like | Greenfish Icon Editor Pro,(free), you could make your own, and it would show that you can make 32bit color, 8bit color etc. and sizes 8x8 up | to 256x256. Most icons come in several sizes so toolbars can use the small, the desktop can use various sizes as well as explorer using | several sizes. | I think that it can also be a PNG in newer Windows versions, but I don't know the details of how that works. | To Arlen, I have used Resource Hacker to edit icons in program before, but it so long ago, I could never explain how if you paid me. | It wouldn't be possible to edit an icon in a system file due to permissions. What one can do is to make an icon and then assign that to a shortcut. In addition to Greenfish, there's IcoFX that I use. I don't know whether it's still free. IcoFX can also make a multi-image ICO file. I like to take an image and then paste that into an icon editor and work from there. It's much easier to start with something like a reduced-size face than to draw a face using one pixel at a time. |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
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Usenet is a wonderful public web-searchable archive of useful tutorials. o As always, please improve such that all benefit from every thread. The main thing left is to make icons with a transparent background so that they show up well no matter what the screen color may be. o *Tutorial for modifying icons inside common Windows system DLLs* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.photo.digital/lAJV8OZdZjg o https://i.postimg.cc/hPTCzbtc/icon08.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/HnrdTvww/icon07.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/SNJgdfKB/icon05.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/NFhjn4cd/icon04.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/76ZvXJdf/icon03.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/X7VKMQGM/icon02.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/43GKMY2Z/icon01.jpg o *Tutorial for creating custom Windows icons from screenshots* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xm6aHzaC-D8/uD1PLfk6DAAJ o https://i.postimg.cc/cHVqvPPb/icon03.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/3N7ZdRSb/icon02.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/vHc2THz3/icon01.jpg o *Tutorial with details to properly set {batch,shortcut,target} icons* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/ndNW-4oDewY/iQzDf15OBQAJ o *Tutorial to find all icons hidden inside common Windows executables & DLLs* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/-1nQdP8E_Yc/VILrouTSBAAJ o *Where to find thousands of free open source mobile device related icons* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/0lQELGmVc0U o *Examples of custom icons used for various Windows shutdown shortcuts* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/ndNW-4oDewY/siPvrsBVBQAJ o *Tutorial to get batch command shortcuts working perfectly on Windows* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1PzeGP4KMTU/tTbcd9zxAAAJ o *Here are over 250 Win+R Run commands to set your shortcut TARGET to* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/cc1lGn3ty0E/DH_FxVCjAAAJ o *The unintuitive syntax to set a shortcut TARGET line to multiple commands* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y/zwvOqeCmEAAJ o *What useful Windows shortcuts would you like to share with users?* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/80ZHKKFom0c/RN3V0Av6BQAJ o *Quick tutorial for creating easy (Start Run) access to lookup files on Windows* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/5LxGOixwwWs/q8wVoJ3mBAAJ o *Tutorial for setting up a well-organized consistent efficient Windows menu system* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/eWU-jOkFRtU/lkVU8yolBQAJ o *Shortcuts with special icons to shutdown & reboot Windows on command* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/ndNW-4oDewY/siPvrsBVBQAJ etc. -- Every thread to Usenet archives should help someone now & in the future. |
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How do you edit an icon in one of the Windows system DLLs?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 20:27:36 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
I think that it can also be a PNG in newer Windows versions, but I don't know the details of how that works. Notice this is apparently a PNG file in Windows 10 Pro, version 1909: https://i.postimg.cc/NFhjn4cd/icon04.jpg It wouldn't be possible to edit an icon in a system file due to permissions. What one can do is to make an icon and then assign that to a shortcut. In addition to Greenfish, there's IcoFX that I use. I don't know whether it's still free. IcoFX can also make a multi-image ICO file. Notice we covered these as the best freeware for this purpose: https://i.postimg.cc/hPTCzbtc/icon08.jpg I like to take an image and then paste that into an icon editor and work from there. It's much easier to start with something like a reduced-size face than to draw a face using one pixel at a time. Notice we covered that topic in gory detail over he o *Tutorial for creating custom Windows icons from screenshots* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xm6aHzaC-D8/uD1PLfk6DAAJ o https://i.postimg.cc/cHVqvPPb/icon03.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/3N7ZdRSb/icon02.jpg o https://i.postimg.cc/vHc2THz3/icon01.jpg -- People who filter out facts are always the ones most immune to them. |
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